How soon after Gustav slams NOLA...

[rickjump1 0]

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If you understood that people in other states prepare, stay sane, and live in a different environment than NOLA you'd realize how full of SHIT people who refuse to accept personal responsibility really are when they blame ACOE. I used to live in FL. I was there when we got whacked by several right in a row. If you're responsible - you prepare. You're OK. If you're not responsible, you're not. If you're irresponsible en masse and don't prepare, you get NOLA during Katrina.

What party was running the state and local government? Democrats? OH! But it was the Federal government's fault they failed. Riiiiight. GREAT job broadcasting known facts about the levees and taking care of your constituents, eh? Really on top of things.

It WAS the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly. Republican administration in power.

I place blame where it lies. And, having a good memory, I remember the news coverage during the event and where ALL the blame went in the national media.

Let's hope that "lazy" mayor uses Amtrac, and the buses (city and school) this time.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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>It took FIVE POSTS to finally get some TRUTH, and you find that
>"excellent"?

I find it excellent that one of our more prolific right-wing poster was "on the ball" sufficiently to blame the victims that rapidly! Most excellent entertainment while I'm stuck here at home. I feel the same sort of amusement when I hear that Limbaugh has been busted for illegal drug usage, or when Al Sharpton announces that someone else is racist.

Or when peaceful protesters are arrested in the Twin Cities while doing nothing in their homes as Rush Limbaugh goes on the air and commands his audience to disrupt and riot in Denver.

Here is another cool thing to ponder as people complain about the flooding tomorrow and the "idiots" that live in NOLA....ask them how they feel about off shore drilling. Because off shore of NOLA has helped remove the natural barrier to the floods by dredging out over 75 shipping lanes through the marshes. There is a thought that if the marshes were all still in place that almost none of the storm surge would hit the city.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Victims? Some of them. All of them? No fucking way and you know it. Florida gets hit yearly with hurricanes - sometimes devastated multiple times. None of the bullshit that occurred in NOLA occurs there. Mississippi got damned well destroyed during Katrina - and they didn't get half the attention NOLA got. It's personal responsibility and preparedness that's the difference. And responsible local and state governments who are ready to deal with disasters.

'Federal government help me! Federal government help me!' - dis-fucking-gusting how often that's a mantra these days. The feds did help. And the magnitude of that help was fucking absurd. If personal responsibility vice reliance upon government had been the norm in NOLA, much less help would have been needed and things would have gone one HELL of a lot better.

Do I feel sorry for the true victims - yes. And if everyone were as harsh as I about the non-victim lazy worthless FUCKS who made getting help and assistance to the helpless far more difficult, the world would be a much better place.

'the federal government didn't do enough!' - what crap. The first words out of anyone's mouth in response should be 'what the fuck did you do to help yourself?' to anybody who's fully ambulatory and got a free public education.

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[Andy9o8 2]

So many words typed, just to say, you know...Negroes.
Why not just say it, and be done with it?

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Looks like perhaps his prayers will be answered - but not in quite the way he wished.
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Gustav prompts 'substantial' changes to RNC agenda

Yeah, but I suspect that this will help the McCain campaign rather than hurt it. It gives them a chance to say, "See, we're not the same as the Bush administration." And now it's sounding like he might give his acceptance speech from the Gulf Coast rather than from the convention, which they can compare to Obama's fireworks-laden Mile High acceptance speech to further their "Rock Star Obama" angle.

[Trent 0]

There's already been a guy on TV that has evacuated claiming that he "missed out" on the FEMA money after Katrina and that he was hoping he'd get some from Gustav.

Nice. Just wish guys like that would run north instead of towards us in Houston.

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They might not want to be so quick about having those FEMA trailers hauled out of town.

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[billvon 3,121]

> None of the bullshit that occurred in NOLA occurs there.

Agreed 100%. Florida is mostly above sea level; NOLA is largely below sea level. Thus there is none of the permanent flooding "bullshit" in Florida.

>It's personal responsibility and preparedness that's the difference.

It's basic topography, actually. If Florida had been eight feet underwater for months after a hurricane, it would have been just as devastating.

>'the federal government didn't do enough!' - what crap.

I'm afraid you will have to take that up with Vinnie, who recently posted "It WAS the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly."

>The first words out of anyone's mouth in response should be 'what
>the fuck did you do to help yourself?' to anybody who's fully ambulatory
>and got a free public education.

I suspect that if you were in a position to help the people in NOLA, you would be far less petty than that.

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> How soon after Gustav slams NOLA...

. . . will people here begin to blame "those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the devastation that occurs?

Actually, it appears that unlike the Katrina situation, everyone in NOLA is actually taking this seriously. Thus, I believe that we will se a situation wherein the human suffering will actually be alleviated because, um, people are not sticking around for hurrican parties and the like.

Gustav may be worse than Katrina. The loss of life will likely not be. Because people are taking it seriously and being told not to expect any help at all. It remains to be seen how bad it will be.

Nagin said, "We cannot afford to screw up again." So he isn't screwing up. He's doing the right and reasonable thing by telling the people it's on them.

NAgin - congrats. And everyone note how much better things can go when the government isn't expected to help.

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[TheAnvil 0]

I don't care what color anyone is. If you do that's your issue - deal with it.

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[jenfly00 0]

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So many words typed, just to say, you know...Negroes.
Why not just say it, and be done with it?

He would lose what he views as plausable deniability and the ability to come back with, "show me where I said ..."

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[TheAnvil 0]

Oh, so now I'm petty eh? Whaaaa.

It was the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly. It was the state and local governments' fault that state and local response was an utter failure in all regards, forcing all responsibility to the federal level - which never should have occurred. Your point?

You think FL doesn't get floods? THERE WERE JUST 'GATORS SWIMMING IN THE STREETS THERE IN THE WAKE OF FAY. Bullshit! Disaster in NOLA where there was obviously a deficient level of personal responsibility and preparedness versus the disasters FL has dealt with repeatedly for years. The difference is obvious, and denying it won't make it go away.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Oooooh...another nice insinuation. Think I'm racist, eh? How about coming out and stating that vice insinuating it.

What makes me racist? Because I don't support race based affirmative action and openly call those who do and refuse to state the fact that they support racial discrimination under its guise 'cowards who can't state what they support'? Ha! Statement of fact. They are both racists and cowards who can't state what they support. Every last fucking one of them - Jack$on, FarahKKKan, and $harpton along with the rest. Deal with it.

Do I insinuate in any way that personal responsibility is a racial trait? Oh no - that would be another in this thread. Not I. Fact. Deal with it.

Have I brought up race in conjunction with this thread? No. Fact. Deal with it.

Your insinuation is bullshit and absolutely insulting.

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'Federal government help me! Federal government help me!' - dis-fucking-gusting how often that's a mantra these days. The feds did help. And the magnitude of that help was fucking absurd. If personal responsibility vice reliance upon government had been the norm in NOLA, much less help would have been needed and things would have gone one HELL of a lot better.

The apologists for the NOLA residents are the same who gripe about how our grand-children will be paying for the war; I wonder how our great-grandchildren are gonna get out from under paying to bail out NOLA.

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Do I feel sorry for the true victims - yes. And if everyone were as harsh as I about the non-victim lazy worthless FUCKS who made getting help and assistance to the helpless far more difficult, the world would be a much better place.

Let's not forget that people scammed BILLIONS OF DOLLARS out of FedGov on bogus claims.

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'the federal government didn't do enough!' - what crap. The first words out of anyone's mouth in response should be 'what the fuck did you do to help yourself?' to anybody who's fully ambulatory and got a free public education.

I fully agree. Good points.

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...will people begin to blame GWB?

They won't because the USG is much better prepared. Lessons Learned have been applied.
As always don’t trust me, listen to individuals from US National Guard, US NORTHCOM, Army Corps of Engineers, HHS, DOE, Red Cross, & FEMA: briefing from Friday, hosted by DoD. Note how much they emphasize they change in preparedness and execution versus 2005.

Keesler AFB was also decimated by Hurricane Katrina, something one hears about a lot less. From Air Force News, "Hurricane Katrina smashed 'a good 95 percent' of Keesler Air Force Base, Miss., turning it into a pile of debris and mud, said a base spokesperson." A friend of mine (Lt Col) gives a talk he titled “Hurricane Katrina: An Unintended Transfer to the Navy.”

The National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) was alerted last week. (Any medical-related folks looking for paid volunteer opportunities, NDMS is recruiting and you’re indemnified as part-time USG/DHS employee.)

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[billvon 3,121]

>Oh, so now I'm petty eh?

No, I strongly suspect you are NOT petty, and (as often happens here) are just posting stuff to rile people up.

>It was the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly. It was the
>state and local governments' fault that state and local response was an utter
>failure in all regards, forcing all responsibility to the federal level - which never
>should have occurred. Your point?

That blaming the victims is as stupid as blaming Bush. There is plenty of blame to go around.

>Disaster in NOLA where there was obviously a deficient level of personal
>responsibility and preparedness versus the disasters FL has dealt with
>repeatedly for years.

Again, you have just given a reason that Florida is better prepared than NOLA. Florida has periodic temporary floods; New Orleans has once-in-a-hundred-years catastrophic month-long floods.

Let's take you as an example. You move to Southern California. There is a magnitude 6.8 quake. Your home is slightly damaged, and you sigh, get out your tools and start cleaning up the damage. Radios warn there might be aftershocks, so you tape up your windows.

The next day comes the big one - 8.9. Your home is rubble. Every street and highway near you is impassable, and your car is on its side. The airport is unusable. Power and water are out. You salvage perhaps two days worth of food.

Why was your level of personal responsibility so deficient? Why didn't you have a solar power system, well pump and helicopter ready to go on your property? Why should the government do anything to help you when you were clearly not willing to even evacuate yourself (or adequately prepare) when you had the chance?

[TheAnvil 0]

I should think the flaw in your analogy somewhat obvious, given a quick comparison of the earthquake warning system with that offered by NOAA and others for hurricanes...

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[billvon 3,121]

> given a quick comparison of the earthquake warning system with that offered
> by NOAA and others for hurricanes...

In my example you had a full day's warning - and wasted it.

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Hellyeah. With 24 hrs notice, everybody in LA should have their shit together and themselves out of there. Good to see folks who have at least some compassion.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Hellyeah. With 24 hrs notice, everybody in LA should have their shit together and themselves out of there. Good to see folks who have at least some compassion.

Newsflash: People were still on the coast when the storm hit and only 1 death so far. There are far more than 1.9 million in that area. The difference this time? NO LEVEE BREAK.

Oh, btw, did you notice Fox News talking endlessly about the 9th Ward and kept talking about how it hasn't recovered yet? They talk about how they want to help people return after this time, what about last time? What about fixing the 9th Ward WHICH IS ABOVE SEA LEVEL but remained flooded for weeks. What about the people in the 9th ward that left for both hurricanes and still have nothing but a heap to come back to? Oh, and why is there a heap there? That's right, say it with me...L E V E E.

Interesting enough MSNBC was driving around the city where Gustav landed and the damage wasn't that bad. Why? They only had the wind and debris to deal with, not 20 feet of water.

It amazes me that people that lived in a hurricane zone can't distinguish the difference between the two things. Instead they believe what the cable news networks tell them and think that it was them not leaving the coast that caused the 1000+ deaths.

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[kallend 2,156]

I find it interesting that the GOP Convention has been disrupted by an "Act of God".

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[TheAnvil 0]

Are you on pain killers or something? Your logic is normally much better. What warning system exists for earthquakes that gives comparable notice to the current one for hurricanes?

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[kallend 2,156]

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Are you on pain killers or something? Your logic is normally much better. What warning system exists for earthquakes that gives comparable notice to the current one for hurricanes?

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is it past the tequila hour?

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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I find it interesting that the GOP Convention has been disrupted by an "Act of God".

I wish I could be as superior and unfailing as those judging an entire population off of misinformation. Life must be so amazing to be that great to be able to judge others in such a way.

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