airdvr 210 #1 August 31, 2008 ...will people begin to blame GWB? As was the situation last time, it's no surprise this storm is coming. I have a message to the fine people of Nawlins... THERE'S A HURRICANE ON ITS WAY...PREPARE NOW! DON'T WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 August 31, 2008 Quote ...will people begin to blame GWB? As was the situation last time, it's no surprise this storm is coming. I have a message to the fine people of Nawlins... THERE'S A HURRICANE ON ITS WAY...PREPARE NOW! DON'T WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU. Ironically, Mayor Nagin has been saying the same thing, that and the doors to the Superdome will be locked. It took one hard lesson, but hopefully, now those in "power" can see the limits of what they can do, and change formulas to actually lead instead...even if that is leading an evacuation.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #3 August 31, 2008 > How soon after Gustav slams NOLA... . . . will people here begin to blame "those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the devastation that occurs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 August 31, 2008 Quote > How soon after Gustav slams NOLA... . . . will people here begin to blame "those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the devastation that occurs? I'm already getting a jump on it.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 August 31, 2008 Well, this time we don't have a state government that's not doing a damn thing, do we? OH WAIT!!!! Can't mention that last go-round - she was a Democrat after all. Blame EVERYTHING on the feds (they fd up too) and not focus on the idiots where were running things locally. God Almighty FORBID the fucktards show ANY ounce of personal responsibility. Sheesh. Placing political hacks in positions of power ticks me off greatly. Avoiding personal responsibility and pretending individuals should have no responsibility for their actions and the subsequent consequences thereof just nauseates me. [barf]Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #6 August 31, 2008 >>How soon after Gustav slams NOLA will people here begin to blame >>"those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the >>devastation that occurs? >God Almighty FORBID the fucktards . . . Answer - five posts. Excellent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #7 August 31, 2008 QuoteGod Almighty FORBID the fucktards show ANY ounce of personal responsibility. Sheesh. Placing political hacks in positions of power ticks me off greatly. Avoiding personal responsibility and pretending individuals should have no responsibility for their actions and the subsequent consequences thereof just nauseates me. [barf] Oh, you mean like the Army Corp of Engineers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wln_iq5bc8k BTW, if you think some whackjob put that together, Harry Shearer (you know, that Simpsons guy) is a big supporter of NOLA and is using that video to help educated people that are stuck on what a cable news channel told them. So, the people in NOLA would have been fine riding it out, but it was the levee break that caused the issues. And since 2011 is when they were hoping to have it fixed by (um, why that long?), it will most likely be an issue again now. People in other states ride out class three and class four hurricanes when they hit and do just fine. If you looks at the amount of deaths caused each hurricane season you would understand that: http://www.iii.org/media/facts/statsbyissue/hurricanes/ And since they know the levee is an issue this time, the state of emergency was declared a full 36 hours previous to Katrina. Also, mandatory evacuation was enacted this time unlike Katrina. It's not a matter of dem/rep in office or in control and I can't believe you went there. It was a poorly handled event even years before it made landfall. It amazes me how dropzone.com is the only place I run into where people are so quick to jump to such odd positions within 1 or 2 posts.....and forget all the talk from the last time the topic came up._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 August 31, 2008 If you understood that people in other states prepare, stay sane, and live in a different environment than NOLA you'd realize how full of SHIT people who refuse to accept personal responsibility really are when they blame ACOE. I used to live in FL. I was there when we got whacked by several right in a row. If you're responsible - you prepare. You're OK. If you're not responsible, you're not. If you're irresponsible en masse and don't prepare, you get NOLA during Katrina. What party was running the state and local government? Democrats? OH! But it was the Federal government's fault they failed. Riiiiight. GREAT job broadcasting known facts about the levees and taking care of your constituents, eh? Really on top of things. It WAS the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly. Republican administration in power. I place blame where it lies. And, having a good memory, I remember the news coverage during the event and where ALL the blame went in the national media.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 August 31, 2008 QuoteIf you understood that people in other states prepare, stay sane, and live in a different environment than NOLA you'd realize how full of SHIT people who refuse to accept personal responsibility really are when they blame ACOE. I used to live in FL. I was there when we got whacked by several right in a row. If you're responsible - you prepare. You're OK. If you're not responsible, you're not. If you're irresponsible en masse and don't prepare, you get NOLA during Katrina. What party was running the state and local government? Democrats? OH! But it was the Federal government's fault they failed. Riiiiight. GREAT job broadcasting known facts about the levees and taking care of your constituents, eh? Really on top of things. It WAS the federal government's fault FEMA responded so poorly. wait....for....it....OMG! There isn't just one place to point the finger! Whatever will we do!? We can't have bi-partisan blame, that just doesn't work out well for talking points! Bottom line is that the people of New Orleans prepared for a Hurricane and would have done well to survive that. Go back and watch the news from 2005 from before the storm as it's been well archived. The city did board up, they did have supplies, they did lock shit down. Many stayed and many used the shelter that was provided by the city. Again, if it was just a few days of riding out the storm Katrina would be just like Andrew was. But it was the levee not the storm that led to the major disaster and deaths. The people were not prepared for a 2nd disaster and yet somehow it's their fault they were no ready for something they didn't know could happen. I'm sure if a alien invasion happened during the storm as well it would be their fault for not being ready for that either?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 August 31, 2008 Well, at least this time we're getting evacuees into Arkansas *before* the storm. And that's good. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 August 31, 2008 And since they know the levee is an issue this time, Please. You're saying they didn't know it could be a problem with Katrina? Common knowledge for years that a direct hit would/could be a problem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_FJTn1jbk0&feature=relatedPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #12 August 31, 2008 >Well, at least this time we're getting evacuees into Arkansas *before* >the storm. And that's good. Yep. But that happened last time as well, and it wasn't sufficient to prevent all the problems we saw after Katrina: ============================== New Orleans braces for monster hurricane Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees Monday, August 29, 2005 NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees. The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning. The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. "This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this." He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order. About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving) Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation) ===================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #13 August 31, 2008 Maybe so. It seems to me that we didn't get the masses here until after the storm last time, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Either way, I'm glad to see people getting out early. I hope it'll go better this time.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #14 August 31, 2008 Karma can really bite you in the ass. Just before the DNC a religious-right commentator (Stuart Shepard of focus-on-the-family) asked a rhetorical question in a video on their site: "Would it be wrong if we asked people to pray for rain? OK, not just rain, but abundant rain. Torrential rain. Urban and small stream flood advisory rain.. . . "Now, I know you might ask - why would I pray for that? Well, I'm still pro-life. And I'm still in favor of marriage being between one man and one woman. And I'd like the next president, who will select justices to the US Supreme Court, to agree. So I'm praying for unexpected, unforecasted, unanticipated rain that starts two minutes before [Obama's] speech begins. Would it be wrong to pray for rain? . . I'm just an ordinary guy who is looking for people, lots of people, who feel like I do, to pray for rain . . ." (He says this as he sits atop a pile of sandbags.) "If God decides that rain of biblical proportions would be a good and proper meteorological condition for that evening, we will see it, and say that it was good." Looks like perhaps his prayers will be answered - but not in quite the way he wished. ====================== Gustav prompts 'substantial' changes to RNC agenda WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney will not attend the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, because of Hurricane Gustav, White House press secretary Dana Perino said Sunday. In addition, "substantial" changes to the Republican National Convention program will be announced Sunday because of the storm, two Republican officials said. . . . "It's a dire outlook, and we need to make some changes," one McCain campaign official said. "But this has never happened before to anyone's convention, so we need some time to touch all the bases." McCain had suggested to a Fox News interviewer that the convention could be suspended if it seemed that a festive gathering was inappropriate in light of the destruction the storm may bring. ====================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #15 August 31, 2008 One shouldn't laugh at a time like this, but -- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #16 August 31, 2008 Absurd. You live in an area protected by levees and don't expect they might fail in a hurricane? Riiiiiiiight. Bullshit. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 August 31, 2008 Quote "those sort of people" Oh, ain't you heard? They're now referred to as "the people who speak in THAT substandard way." A bit wordy, but hey, it sho' do get de point acrost, don' it? (Sho 'nuff.) http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3314957;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #18 August 31, 2008 Quote Quote "those sort of people" Oh, ain't you heard? They're now referred to as "the people who speak in THAT substandard way." A bit wordy, but hey, it sho' do get de point acrost, don' it? (Sho 'nuff.) http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3314957;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread "Absofuckinglutely!" (colloquialism stolen, without permission, from Birdlike's post). linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #19 August 31, 2008 >They're now referred to as "the people who speak in THAT Wink substandard way." Or, looters vs. people just "finding" supplies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #20 August 31, 2008 Quote Karma can really bite you in the ass. Just before the DNC a religious-right commentator (Stuart Shepard of focus-on-the-family) asked a rhetorical question in a video on their site: "Would it be wrong if we asked people to pray for rain? OK, not just rain, but abundant rain. Torrential rain. Urban and small stream flood advisory rain.. . . "Now, I know you might ask - why would I pray for that? Well, I'm still pro-life. And I'm still in favor of marriage being between one man and one woman. And I'd like the next president, who will select justices to the US Supreme Court, to agree. So I'm praying for unexpected, unforecasted, unanticipated rain that starts two minutes before [Obama's] speech begins. Would it be wrong to pray for rain? . . I'm just an ordinary guy who is looking for people, lots of people, who feel like I do, to pray for rain . . ." (He says this as he sits atop a pile of sandbags.) "If God decides that rain of biblical proportions would be a good and proper meteorological condition for that evening, we will see it, and say that it was good." Looks like perhaps his prayers will be answered - but not in quite the way he wished. Karma my ass! One guy comes up with this idea and you're all over it. Bill, you're better than that. Back in 1986, when the Mets were playing the Red Sox in the World Series; Roger Clemens (who was with the Red Sox at the time) was making life really difficult for the Mets. I remember thinking to myself that I really wanted Clemens out of the game. I actually prayed that something would happen to make him have to leave. I made it clear that I didn't want him hurt or anything, just maybe like a bad case of diarrhea. Well, sure enough Clemens was taken out for something having to do with his pitching finger...nothing serious. We all know how that series turned out. If you want to call it Kharma, I guess it was on my side. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #21 August 31, 2008 I thought you were going to ask, "...will they begin confiscating the guns of peaceable citizens who have zero police protection in the storm's aftermath while the looting takes place?" Color me surprised. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #22 August 31, 2008 Quote > How soon after Gustav slams NOLA... . . . will people here begin to blame "those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the devastation that occurs? Oooh, now that you've pre-empted us, Billvon, that criticism will no longer be valid no matter how valid it might be. Slick move! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #23 August 31, 2008 Quote >>How soon after Gustav slams NOLA will people here begin to blame >>"those sort of people" for their laziness and lack of ambition for the >>devastation that occurs? >God Almighty FORBID the fucktards . . . Answer - five posts. Excellent. It took FIVE POSTS to finally get some TRUTH, and you find that "excellent"? Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #24 August 31, 2008 Quote Quote "those sort of people" Oh, ain't you heard? They're now referred to as "the people who speak in THAT substandard way." A bit wordy, but hey, it sho' do get de point acrost, don' it? (Sho 'nuff.) http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3314957;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Ain't no jiiiive, son. Yo, whud it be like? Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #25 August 31, 2008 >It took FIVE POSTS to finally get some TRUTH, and you find that >"excellent"? I find it excellent that one of our more prolific right-wing poster was "on the ball" sufficiently to blame the victims that rapidly! Most excellent entertainment while I'm stuck here at home. I feel the same sort of amusement when I hear that Limbaugh has been busted for illegal drug usage, or when Al Sharpton announces that someone else is racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
