Any other skydivers at the DNC?

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

Isn't that semantic? Enter a war on false premise, 10T in debt, Americans w/o healthcare and we must chant to some silly song.

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Before I could even entertain the thought of a discussion with you please learn the correct usage and meaning of semantic. Which I assume was a typo of semantics; although it still has no relative meaning.

Guess there weren't any other skydivers there eh? Although I completely disagree with Obama's views, it was amazing to be at the DNC. Conventions are always crazy and electric but this convention was especially charged. And Invesco field was packed, took us 3 hours to get out.

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Before I could even entertain the thought of a discussion with you please learn the correct usage and meaning of semantic. Which I assume was a typo of semantics; although it still has no relative meaning.

Guess there weren't any other skydivers there eh? Although I completely disagree with Obama's views, it was amazing to be at the DNC. Conventions are always crazy and electric but this convention was especially charged. And Invesco field was packed, took us 3 hours to get out.

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Before I could even entertain the thought of a discussion with you please learn the correct usage and meaning of semantic. Which I assume was a typo of semantics; although it still has no relative meaning.

Guess there weren't any other skydivers there eh? Although I completely disagree with Obama's views, it was amazing to be at the DNC. Conventions are always crazy and electric but this convention was especially charged. And Invesco field was packed, took us 3 hours to get out.

A) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semantic

se·man·tic

2. of or pertaining to semantics.

That takes care of the issue of the, "s" or not at the end.

B) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semantic
se·man·tic
1. of, pertaining to, or arising from the different meanings of words or other symbols: semantic change; semantic confusion.


To me the fact that no one stopped for the national anthem and this is a disgrace, as you inferred, is an arrisal from the different meanings of a silly symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic

In linguistics, semantics is the subfield that is devoted to the study of meaning, as inherent at the levels of words, phrases, sentences, and even larger units of discourse (referred to as texts). The basic area of study is the meaning of signs, and the study of relations between different linguistic units: homonymy, synonymy, antonymy, polysemy, paronyms, hypernymy, hyponymy, meronymy, metonymy, holonymy, exocentricity / endocentricity, linguistic compounds. A key concern is how meaning attaches to larger chunks of text, possibly as a result of the composition from smaller units of meaning. Traditionally, semantics has included the study of connotative sense and denotative reference, truth conditions, argument structure, thematic roles, discourse analysis, and the linkage of all of these to syntax.


Semantic(s) is a complex word, but in modern linguistics has to do with signs or symbols and I think it is semantic to symbolize a song for a nation.

Now, if I were a true American like you, I would close my eyes and love everything American, killing overseas w/o legitimate provacation, Imperialism and the sort. I'm not, I'm one of those silly liberals and if I were alive in the early civil rights era I would have fought for civil rights at some level, unlike the true American conservative, promoting it.

So if you're done being grammar checker Jefferey, can we get on to discussing how it's terroristic, Communistic, etc to not stand for the flag, National Anthem, etc?

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So if you're done being grammar checker Jefferey, can we get on to discussing how it's terroristic, Communistic, etc to not stand for the flag, National Anthem, etc?

It isn't terroristic, communistic, or any of the above.

It is however just plain disrespectful to the veterans of our country, both alive and dead, who have died to give you the right to your constant barrage of posts...

It is a simple display of respect.
I also stand for the national anthems of other countries when I am their guest there. I guess that makes me traitorous too.

Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?


On a side note is it Saturday where you live? Do you get away from the PC much? You must type awfuly fast.

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Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

Perhaps you could explain why it's such a big deal if someone else chooses to not salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

What does their response have anything to do with your patriotism? Further more, to what extent should one expect fellow citizens to participate in 'patriotic behavior'?

This Much?

I, myself, have no problem with it either way. If you want to salute, place your hand over your heart, stand on one leg, remain seated, wear american flag boxers, whatever.

Thinking everybody should do it, if for no other reason than they 'owe it' to somebody else, just isn't a very good reason for me.

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Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

Perhaps you could explain why it's such a big deal if someone else chooses to not salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

What does their response have anything to do with your patriotism? Further more, to what extent should one expect fellow citizens to participate in 'patriotic behavior'?

This Much?

I, myself, have no problem with it either way. If you want to salute, place your hand over your heart, stand on one leg, remain seated, wear american flag boxers, whatever.

Thinking everybody should do it, if for no other reason than they 'owe it' to somebody else, just isn't a very good reason for me.

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Because Jim, it is a zero effort activity that shows respect for others.

Along the same lines why should you say thank you, hold doors for people, say bless you, excuse yourself, etc etc...

Or you can just be a self absorbed punk...

Either way, the people that you honor with a simple effortless jesture defended this country, and you rights, without any thought to your political allegance or ideals. Since they selflessly did this for you maybe you can show them the same respect.

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Because Jim, it is a zero effort activity that shows respect for others.

Excellent first response, "Just because".

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Along the same lines why should you say thank you, hold doors for people, say bless you, excuse yourself, etc etc...

Those are certainly polite things to do. I imagine one might do them a lot if they are in polite company.

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Or you can just be a self absorbed punk...

Brilliant! Is it possible that one might be able to express their gratitude to soldiers in other means? Doesn't matter if you don't jerk off to the flag everytime someone else does it?

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Either way, the people that you honor with a simple effortless jesture defended this country, and you rights, without any thought to your political allegance or ideals. Since they selflessly did this for you maybe you can show them the same respect.

Unless they were drafted, they did it for a paycheck, or their own sense of honor. Bravo for them.

Respect can be shown in many ways. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if a person doesn't do exactly as you do, they're disrespectful, or a piece of shit, or a 'self absorbed punk'. Politely, people like you will stand up and rally for 'patriotism' and 'respect' without seeing the true situation for vets around here. I am not proud of what my country's recent actions. I want my friends coming back to be happy, and healthy, and to not be fucked up for the remainder of their lives.

I'll be patriotic by helping them out, and you be patriotic by standing still.

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Respect can be shown in many ways. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if a person doesn't do exactly as you do, they're disrespectful, or a piece of shit, or a 'self absorbed punk'. Politely, people like you will stand up and rally for 'patriotism' and 'respect' without seeing the true situation for vets around here. I am not proud of what my country's recent actions. I want my friends coming back to be happy, and healthy, and to not be fucked up for the remainder of their lives.

I'll be patriotic by helping them out, and you be patriotic by standing still.

.jim

Riiiiiiiiiight... because I find it respectful to salute the flag that relegates that gesture as being my exclusive means of supporting our soldiers. Nice logical argument. Every time I salute the flag I think about how proud I am of things like the conditions at Walter Reed, or the shoddy work of contractor over in Iraq.

Following the same logic I am sure that all of the people who refuse to salute the flag or stand at attention are doing so to make a political statement, and they are huge supporters of our servicemen overseas.

Or they could just be disrespectful punk kids whose parents told them they were super one too many times...

It wouldn't be possible to seperate the two, you couldn't possibly show respect, and disagree with the direction that things are going in our country.

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Respect can be shown in many ways. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if a person doesn't do exactly as you do, they're disrespectful, or a piece of shit, or a 'self absorbed punk'. Politely, people like you will stand up and rally for 'patriotism' and 'respect' without seeing the true situation for vets around here. I am not proud of what my country's recent actions. I want my friends coming back to be happy, and healthy, and to not be fucked up for the remainder of their lives.

I'll be patriotic by helping them out, and you be patriotic by standing still.

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Riiiiiiiiiight... because I find it respectful to salute the flag that relegates that gesture as being my exclusive means of supporting our soldiers. Nice logical argument.

Following the same logic I am sure that all of the people who refuse to salute the flag or stand at attention are doing so to make a political statement, and they are huge supporters of our servicemen overseas.

Or they could just be disrespectful punk kids whose parents told them they were super one too many times...

It wouldn't be possible to seperate the two, you couldn't possibly show respect, and disagree with the direction that things are going in our country.

What a BS is that? I love my country but, do not agree to current policy at all - that's what I call freedom of spirit - and I do not need to (kiss) salute a flag to show how happy I am to live here.

You guys are a bit lofty - there were millions of millions of servicemen giving their best (lifes) for thier countries. It does not need the stage to show that.

Some of our guys recently were killed in Afghanistan. We all do worry, are in sorrow. But, do not need a show.

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So if you're done being grammar checker Jefferey, can we get on to discussing how it's terroristic, Communistic, etc to not stand for the flag, National Anthem, etc?

It isn't terroristic, communistic, or any of the above.

It is however just plain disrespectful to the veterans of our country, both alive and dead, who have died to give you the right to your constant barrage of posts...

It is a simple display of respect.
I also stand for the national anthems of other countries when I am their guest there. I guess that makes me traitorous too.

Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?


On a side note is it Saturday where you live? Do you get away from the PC much? You must type awfuly fast.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is however just plain disrespectful to the veterans of our country, both alive and dead, who have died to give you the right to your constant barrage of posts...


I'm one of those motherfuckers that seved, so what's your point? I didn't serve in a time of war, but would have gladly gone to war. Even if I wasn't dissent or abstainance is an option for all Americas, vets or not. I have huge respect for troops, wartime or not.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is a simple display of respect.
I also stand for the national anthems of other countries when I am their guest there. I guess that makes me traitorous too.


It means you're excercizing your right to show what feelings you wish. Freedom to stand for an anthem also includes the right to decide not to stand for an anthem.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?


Not a big deal, not a big deal not to, and that's the problem, you think it is.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On a side note is it Saturday where you live? Do you get away from the PC much? You must type awfuly fast.


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Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

Perhaps you could explain why it's such a big deal if someone else chooses to not salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

What does their response have anything to do with your patriotism? Further more, to what extent should one expect fellow citizens to participate in 'patriotic behavior'?

This Much?

I, myself, have no problem with it either way. If you want to salute, place your hand over your heart, stand on one leg, remain seated, wear american flag boxers, whatever.

Thinking everybody should do it, if for no other reason than they 'owe it' to somebody else, just isn't a very good reason for me.

.jim

Because Jim, it is a zero effort activity that shows respect for others.

Along the same lines why should you say thank you, hold doors for people, say bless you, excuse yourself, etc etc...

Or you can just be a self absorbed punk...

Either way, the people that you honor with a simple effortless jesture defended this country, and you rights, without any thought to your political allegance or ideals. Since they selflessly did this for you maybe you can show them the same respect.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Because Jim, it is a zero effort activity that shows respect for others.


To me it's disrespectful to compell a person to engage in some silly ritual or be deemed all fucked up.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Along the same lines why should you say thank you, hold doors for people, say bless you, excuse yourself, etc etc...


Not the same things. I intentionally refuse to stand for anthems because I disagree with the direction of this country, if I agreed, I would love to show respect in many ways.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Or you can just be a self absorbed punk...


Or you can just be an angry controller.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>Either way, the people that you honor with a simple effortless jesture defended this country, and you rights, without any thought to your political allegance or ideals. Since they selflessly did this for you maybe you can show them the same respect.


Many of them were drafted and didn't want to be here. Furthermore, if they died for the Constitution and associated freedoms, that would include the freedom to dissent, one that you refuse to respect.

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Respect can be shown in many ways. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if a person doesn't do exactly as you do, they're disrespectful, or a piece of shit, or a 'self absorbed punk'. Politely, people like you will stand up and rally for 'patriotism' and 'respect' without seeing the true situation for vets around here. I am not proud of what my country's recent actions. I want my friends coming back to be happy, and healthy, and to not be fucked up for the remainder of their lives.

I'll be patriotic by helping them out, and you be patriotic by standing still.

.jim

Riiiiiiiiiight... because I find it respectful to salute the flag that relegates that gesture as being my exclusive means of supporting our soldiers. Nice logical argument. Every time I salute the flag I think about how proud I am of things like the conditions at Walter Reed, or the shoddy work of contractor over in Iraq.

Following the same logic I am sure that all of the people who refuse to salute the flag or stand at attention are doing so to make a political statement, and they are huge supporters of our servicemen overseas.

Or they could just be disrespectful punk kids whose parents told them they were super one too many times...

It wouldn't be possible to seperate the two, you couldn't possibly show respect, and disagree with the direction that things are going in our country.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Riiiiiiiiiight... because I find it respectful to salute the flag that relegates that gesture as being my exclusive means of supporting our soldiers.


Right, you do. Furthermore, this isn't about the troops, whom I have the utmost of respect for, this is about the leaders of the country and the ill direction they are taking us.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Following the same logic I am sure that all of the people who refuse to salute the flag or stand at attention are doing so to make a political statement, and they are huge supporters of our servicemen overseas.


Yep, that's me.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't be possible to seperate the two, you couldn't possibly show respect, and disagree with the direction that things are going in our country.


That's the cornerstone to dissent, the kind that supported the Boston Tea Party, the Revolutionary War and many civil rights acts. Showing respect is silly symbolism anyway, regardless of how you feel.

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Man... my simple question sure started a firestorm.

"Now, if I were a true American like you, I would close my eyes and love everything American, killing overseas w/o legitimate provacation, Imperialism and the sort. I'm not, I'm one of those silly liberals and if I were alive in the early civil rights era I would have fought for civil rights at some level, unlike the true American conservative, promoting it."

Funny how you pretend to know my feelings or intent; all from my asking if anyone else made the same observation I did.
And by all means, if you disagree with America, her anthem, and what we as a nation stand for... you've heard it before i'll say it again... leave.

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

As well as close EVERY candidate's speech with, "God bless America" ? I don't want to discourage anyone who really means it frojm saying it, but not saying it doesn't make you a disciple of bin Laden either....

Time to watch Leni Reifenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" again.....if you don't know what that was, look it up.


Isn't that semantic? Enter a war on false premise, 10T in debt, Americans w/o healthcare and we must chant to some silly song.

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

I have witnessed the exact same thing. In fact, much to my disgust and distress, the last time I witnessed this was in downtown West Palm Beach, on Independence Day, as two firefighters rappelled down the face of a high-rise condo, unfurling the American flag as loudspeakers played our National Anthem.

People were standing around, conversing, walking with their strollers pushing their kids who will no doubt grow up as ignorant as they are because look who they'll be learning from.

I stood where I was, on a line for a hot pretzel, and put my hand over my heart until the anthem was over and the flag was unfurled.

I didn't see a single other motherfucker do the same in my vicinity. I'll bet that the next oldest person to do so (I'm 36) was probably in his sixties, if any did at all.

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

Isn't that semantic? Enter a war on false premise, 10T in debt, Americans w/o healthcare and we must chant to some silly song.

Semantic...

...silly song.

You are just trying to bait someone to say something that will get them banned, aren'tcha.

Well, I won't say anything to get myself banned, but I will say that your attitude is repugnant, and I would be pleased to read that you either don't live in the U.S. and are not a citizen, or you are leaving tomorrow. America does not have to be PERFECT for you to SHOW IT SOME FUCKING [I]RESPECT![/I]

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And Invesco field was packed, took us 3 hours to get out.

They're just trying to get you acclimated to what life will be like under an Obama administration packed with liberal bureaucracy. 3 hours to get out of a convention. 7 months to get an MRI under "ObamaCare"...

I hear that under ObamaCare, it's going to take 11 months for a woman to have a baby! (And it'll take longer to reach orgasm, which will of course be of shorter duration.)

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So if you're done being grammar checker Jefferey, can we get on to discussing how it's terroristic, Communistic, etc to not stand for the flag, National Anthem, etc?

Wow, a DOUBLE-strawman! Holy bunly goodness!

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Maybe you can explain why it is such a big deal to salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

Perhaps you could explain why it's such a big deal if someone else chooses to not salute the flag, or stand for our national anthem?

The "big deal" is that it is demonstrative that our society is completely fragmented, disunited, and has not a single thing around which to gather and be proud and devoted and true and loyal.

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Thinking everybody should do it, if for no other reason than they 'owe it' to somebody else, just isn't a very good reason for me.

Yeah, who ever heard of unity being good for anything.

The U.S. Congress should pass a resolution next week that says, "Ah, fuck it, everyone: just do whatever the hell you feel like, all the time, anywhere" and walk out.

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Because Jim, it is a zero effort activity that shows respect for others.

Excellent first response, "Just because".

How is it that you can reproduce his line, word-for-word, and then completely misrepresent it in the very next line?!

He did not say, "Just because." He said, "Because," and then gave you the reason.

Then you proceeded to lie about it.

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Since they selflessly did this for you maybe you can show them the same respect.

Unless they were drafted, they did it for a paycheck, or their own sense of honor. Bravo for them.

I sincerely hope that every active or retired member of the U.S. military gets around to reading your post, and arrives at an appropriate level of respect for you after that one.

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Respect can be shown in many ways.

Be sure to get back to us when you've learned your first one.

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I am not proud of what my country's recent actions.

Must be you have qualms with the quality of public education.

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To me it's disrespectful to compell a person to engage in some silly ritual or be deemed all fucked up.

I'll bet you took your oath real seriously too, since you're talking about "rituals" like being respectful of the flag and the anthem being "silly."

"I swear to protect and defend the silly old document they ratified in 1791, even though it's silly and old, and I can show respect for it in a lot of ways besides being compelled to protect and defend it..."

By the way, can you show us where the OP argued for COMPELLING people to stand for the anthem? He did no such thing. No one is COMPELLED to do it, and that's as it should be. We should indeed, though, be entitled to EXPECT people to do it. No compulsion necessary. But most everyone these days seems to be of the "punk kid" variety.

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Not the same things. I intentionally refuse to stand for anthems because I disagree with the direction of this country, if I agreed, I would love to show respect in many ways.

But I'll bet you watched the Olympics held in that peach of a country we call China...

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Or you can just be a self absorbed punk...

Or you can just be an angry controller.

Really. Did he grab people nearby and FORCE them to stand? No, he just lamented that they would not do it of their own volition.

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Many of them were drafted and didn't want to be here.

And I'm sure that everyone who ever was drafted to fight is not interested in having anyone's respect for what he did, in fact, end up having to do even though it wasn't by choice. Nice logic, there.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Riiiiiiiiiight... because I find it respectful to salute the flag that relegates that gesture as being my exclusive means of supporting our soldiers.


Right, you do. Furthermore, this isn't about the troops, whom I have the utmost of respect for, this is about the leaders of the country and the ill direction they are taking us.

Here, you don't even appear to be replying to his statement in a congruent, comprehensible fashion.

Like if he asked you what your favorite color was, and you said, "Because I grew up in Pittsburgh."

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I was there working for my company... just wondering if anyone else was there? And if you were did you notice in the concourse of Invesco NO one stopping for the national anthem...

I did, but not a single other person around me stopped.

I have witnessed the exact same thing. In fact, much to my disgust and distress, the last time I witnessed this was in downtown West Palm Beach, on Independence Day, as two firefighters rappelled down the face of a high-rise condo, unfurling the American flag as loudspeakers played our National Anthem.

People were standing around, conversing, walking with their strollers pushing their kids who will no doubt grow up as ignorant as they are because look who they'll be learning from.

I stood where I was, on a line for a hot pretzel, and put my hand over my heart until the anthem was over and the flag was unfurled.

I didn't see a single other motherfucker do the same in my vicinity. I'll bet that the next oldest person to do so (I'm 36) was probably in his sixties, if any did at all.

Damnit Jim. "More SHEEP"

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