And McCains VP is Palin

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McCain just shoots that theory down.

And here I though he'd been the shootee.

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some slam Palin

There you guys go again. But hey - thanks for the image. Seriously.

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>Or what if he says, "Respect my judgment as Manifester because I
>appointed The Hot Chick to pack the tandems."

Years ago I was asked to organize a boogie record. So I got the group together; it was around 35ish and would be going out of a Skyvan and an Otter.

One woman was this hot chick with about 40 jumps. That, to me, did not sound like enough experience to do a 35 way - so I talked to her about it. "Well, so-and-so told me I could do it!" She also explained that she was quite good, and those 40 jumps had been good ones. I noticed that she was carrying a transparent vinyl jumpsuit. I asked her about it, and she said that she was planning to jump with nothing on underneath.

Suddenly I understood why so-and-so had decided she had enough experience to do the jump.

So I was the jerk and told her she shouldn't jump on the load. Horrible of me, I know. I'd never make it in politics.

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Mods....why do you let her get away with these things?

Oh WAHHHHHHH


DUDE after the shit you have said to me... I havea LONG memory.

You assume ill intent.... you attack others.. then whine.. sheesh.

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It's only an insult if you admit to being at the lowest common level of understanding. Otherwise it's just a statement of pedagogy.

No, she is trying to imply that I am in her opinion. You do the same thing all the time.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Oh WAHHHHHHH


DUDE after the shit you have said to me... I havea LONG memory.

You assume ill intent.... you attack others.. then whine.. sheesh.

Like I said, I have tried to treat you like an adult...You on the other hand have just admitted to not playing on the same field.

Again, care to act like an adult? Or would you rather I just start to ignore you?

Your call.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Oh WAHHHHHHH


DUDE after the shit you have said to me... I havea LONG memory.

You assume ill intent.... you attack others.. then whine.. sheesh.

Like I said, I have tried to treat you like an adult...You on the other hand have just admitted to not playing on the same field.

Again, care to act like an adult? Or would you rather I just start to ignore you?

Your call.

Actually, it probably would be best if you sort of both ignored each other.

Nobody is holding a gun to either of your heads and forcing you to read or respond here.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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We're getting a headache.

Edit: Oh - Quade just said it, too. Fine.

[billvon 3,112]

Both of you cut it out.

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How, Ron?

In the fact that the occurrences are statistically insignificant.

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So no, there is no difference in the roles

There clearly are differences. The VP is only given power by the President. Other than right of succession and casting a vote in the event of a tie, the VP has no other listed responsibilities.

In that light, a younger less experienced VP candidate can be groomed while in office by the President.

Depends how long it takes for the President to croak (W.H.H. holds the record at 30 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes).

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Depends how long it takes for the President to croak (W.H.H. holds the record at 30 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes).

Several made it 8 years and lived long after they left office.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Depends how long it takes for the President to croak (W.H.H. holds the record at 30 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes).

Several made it 8 years and lived long after they left office.

How many of them were 72 or older on inauguration day? (No need to answer, we all know).

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I think all four parties have *enough* experience to be President.

That's not what you have been saying.

Please point out where I've said otherwise. I have not said Palin does not have enough experience. I've said her selection negates McCain's claim that Obama doesn't have enough experience.

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I think Obama's experience is more relevant to the position than Palin's

Based on? What Govt's has he run?

I think being a mayor and a gov is MUCH more than just being in Congress.

And there we can just disagree. While being mayor of a small town may provide valuable experience, I think being a US Senator will provide experience more valuable to a President.

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Consider this:

Two lawyers, or a mix of experience....Which has more diversity?

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It's my belief that the former combined education is FAR more qualified to appoint Supreme Court justices than the latter.

That is just one part of the job. How about running a govt organization with a budget? How much experience in that field does a law degree give you?

I seem to recall Congress being somewhat involved in that whole federal budget thing.

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It is clear you just like Obama...Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that Obama is more experienced than McCain is silly. To claim that experience does not mater (or that it hurts), but your candidate picked a VP that has been in Washington longer than McCain just shoots that theory down.

I have never stated that Obama was more experienced than McCain, and I have stated that I was disappointed in Obama's selection of Biden because he's got "too much" Washington experience.

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Again, if it was Biden/Obama your experience arguments (and mine) would be negated.

I am not voting for Obama based on his stances...But to hear some slam Palin for lack of experience to be VP while they support Obama for President is just funny.

I have not slammed Palin for her lack of experience to be VP. I have been repeatedly stating that her selection merely negates the McCain camp's claim that Obama is insufficiently experienced.

Blues,
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I've said her selection negates McCain's claim that Obama doesn't have enough experience.

Sorry I meant the people who back Obama...Not you specifically.

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I've said her selection negates McCain's claim that Obama doesn't have enough experience.

And you seem to ignore that the President and VP is not the same thing.

But you should also be ready to admit that Obama's choice of Biden shows that he thinks experience is important.

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And there we can just disagree. While being mayor of a small town may provide valuable experience, I think being a US Senator will provide experience more valuable to a President.

You seem to keep ignoring Gov of a State as well. We will just have to disagree...I think running a City and a State is more valuable than being in Congress.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I think all four parties have *enough* experience to be President.

That's not what you have been saying.

Please point out where I've said otherwise. I have not said Palin does not have enough experience. I've said her selection negates McCain's claim that Obama doesn't have enough experience.

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I think Obama's experience is more relevant to the position than Palin's

Based on? What Govt's has he run?

I think being a mayor and a gov is MUCH more than just being in Congress.

Just about every public college and university, and many high schools, have a bigger population and a bigger budget than Wasilla, AK. Perhaps high school principals are equally well qualified to be president.

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McCain supporters need to get this T-shirt:

http://milfmccain.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/

Beautiful design.

Depending on what part of the country you would wear it, it's either pro or anti McCain.

For instance, nearly certain it's anti-McCain at an NOW meeting.

quade -
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And you seem to ignore that the President and VP is not the same thing.

I'll admit there is a difference. The winning Presidential candidate will assume the office of President on January 20th if everything goes according to plan. The winning vice presidential candidate could also assume the office of President on January 20th, but only if something bad happens to the winning Presidential candidate.

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But you should also be ready to admit that Obama's choice of Biden shows that he thinks experience is important.

I'm ready to admit that Obama capitulated on the experience issue. While I can understand why he did so, I consider it a point against him because it eroded his claim of bringing change to our political landscape.

Blues,
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Just about every public college and university, and many high schools, have a bigger population and a bigger budget than Wasilla, AK. Perhaps high school principals are equally well qualified to be president.

At least they have RUN something

But you just gloss over:

1. She is running for VP.
2. She ran the State of AK.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I'm ready to admit that Obama capitulated on the experience issue. While I can understand why he did so, I consider it a point against him because it eroded his claim of bringing change to our political landscape.

I wish either candidate had picked a business person with a good track record.

However we all know that if Obama had done that he would have been roasted for not having any experience on the ticket, and McCain would have been roasted for not having enough...Of course some seem to want to bash him for that now...But if he had picked say Carly Fiorina they would have jumped all over him.

Still the funny thing is the Cons are going to vote for whoever has the "R", the Libs for whoever has the "D". The undecided are going to vote for whatever they think is important....It may be as stupid as which one is black and which one is the vet.

Most will not look behind the speeches to see if the plans can work, or will look at history to see if it has been tried before and how it went.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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How, Ron?

In the fact that the occurrences are statistically insignificant.

There's only been 43 presidents - the number that have not completed their term is quite significant in a statistical sense, and more so when we're talking about 70+ yo geezers.

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Otherwise it's just a statement of pedagogy.

Isn't that illegal?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Isn't that illegal?

LAO

We are all engines of karma

[billvon 3,112]

>Still the funny thing is the Cons are going to vote for whoever has the
>"R", the Libs for whoever has the "D".

Not in this case. Lyda Green, the head of the Alaska Senate (and a republican) -

"She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

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Sour milk maybe?

And hell billvon, she IS more qualified than Obama is

and, in cased you missed it

from the politicl.com

Clinton aides: Palin treatment sexist
By JOHN F. HARRIS & BETH FRERKING | 9/3/08 8:17 PM EST Updated: 9/3/08 8:17 PM EST Text Size:



Sarah Palin pumps her fist as she walks towards the bus at a campaign stop in Washington, Pa., on Saturday.
Photo: AP





ST. PAUL, Minn. — Sarah Palin found some unlikely allies Wednesday as leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed the Republican charge that John McCain’s running mate has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats.

Georgetown University professor Deborah Tannen, who has written best-selling books on gender differences, said she agrees with complaints that Palin skeptics — including prominent voices in the news media — have crossed a line by speculating about whether the Alaska governor is neglecting her family in pursuit of national office.

“What we’re dealing with now, there’s nothing subtle about it,” said Tannen. “We’re dealing with the assumption that child-rearing is the job of women and not men. Is it sexist? Yes.”

“There’s no way those questions would be asked of a male candidate,” said Howard Wolfson a former top strategist for Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The sexism charge was hurled with new intensity Wednesday afternoon by McCain surrogates, all women, at a news conference just hours before she was to make her acceptance speech here.

The tense encounter with reporters showed how McCain’s team has abandoned all pretense that this convention is about anything but Palin, her thin résumé and her wildly unexpected ascension to the GOP ticket.

A choice that was intended to shake up the race did so with more ferocity than McCain ever intended. The mother of five — with one pregnant teenage daughter and an infant son with Down syndrome — has joined a parade of personalities from Anita Hill to O.J. Simpson to Monica Lewinsky to become a cultural flash point.

As the controversy over her qualifications and McCain’s vetting process overwhelmed events here, hypocritical rhetoric was flowing at full tide on all sides of the debate.

Many conservatives, who spent a generation ridiculing the politics of victimhood and group identity, are now zealously invoking both in the Twin Cities. A common GOP talking point here is that Palin’s gender and experiences as a mother should be counted as an asset among her qualifications. At the news conference, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift condemned “an outrageous smear campaign” against Palin, and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina said, “The Republican Party will not stand by while Gov. Palin is subjected to sexist attacks.”

Just last spring, Palin herself scoffed when Hillary Clinton’s campaign complained about a double standard in coverage.

“When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, 'Man, that doesn't do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country,' ” Palin said.

Now, McCain’s team is urgently recruiting female surrogates and loudly crying sexism to deflect legitimate inquiries into Palin’s experience, her record, and the last-minute, improvisational process by which McCain chose a small-state governor who was elected in 2006 after serving of mayor of small-town Wasilla, a far suburb of Anchorage.

It was a process dominated by a small handful of male aides to McCain, consulting no woman other than the candidate’s wife, Cindy McCain.

Even so, many media and liberal voices have made the job easy for McCain’s spin squadrons. Among the eyebrow-raising comments in recent days:

• Democrat Joe Biden, in what he intended as self-deprecating remark, observed, “There's a gigantic difference between John McCain and Barack Obama and between me and I suspect my vice presidential opponent. ... She's good looking."

• A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women, noting Palin’s opposition to abortion rights and support of other parts of the social conservative agenda, told Politico, “She's more a conservative man than she is a woman on women's issues. Very disappointing."

• Liberal radio host Ed Schultz used the words “bimbo alert” to refer to Palin, and the Huffington Post featured a photo montage of Palin with the headline, “Former Beauty Queen, Future VP?”

• CNN’s John Roberts recently pondered on air: “Children with Down’s syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of vice president, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?”

This line of inquiry was echoed by writer Sally Quinn, who in her “On Faith” column for washingtonpost.com agreed that Palin is a “bright, attractive, impressive person,” but also asked, “is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job?”

“Her first priority has to be her children,” Quinn wrote. “When the phone rings at 3 in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?”

There is little question that these questions are being asked around kitchen tables. But there are recent examples of a double standard.

Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) was more frequently praised for his perseverance than hazed for misplaced priorities when he continued his presidential campaign even after wife Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with an incurable form of cancer. The couple has two children still at home, ages 10 and 8.

Edwards was himself a close finalist for a vice presidential nod in 2000, when Al Gore nearly tapped him at a time when he had served the same amount of time in the U.S. Senate that Palin has as Alaska governor, and about the same amount of time that Barack Obama had served when he began his presidential quest two years ago.

Phil Singer, who worked with Wolfson on Clinton’s campaign, said the news media tend to focus on different sets of subjects when covering women candidates. He noted articles on Clinton’s cleavage, and whether she had the personality of a “bitch.”

“There’s no question that the issues a woman has to deal with are different,” Singer said, adding that, “The real indictment that needs to be prosecuted is about her views, not her personal life.”

Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a Politico interview Wednesday that a double standard was being applied against Palin, in part because she is unknown to Washington reporters. “It’s always a dangerous thing to surprise the press,” he said. “When you’re unorthodox and unpredictable, you pay a price.”

He also noted a subject that “I probably shouldn’t get into” on the record, before deciding to plunge in: Historically, Cole, said “to be a leader in the women’s movement, you have to be a liberal. This is clearly a very liberated woman who is not a liberal. And I think there is some tension with that because again, she breaks a lot of stereotypes and molds.”

Some commentators said the McCain campaign has no grounds for complaint about sexism because it stressed her family background in her public unveiling last week in Dayton, Ohio, with her children on stage.

“The first image here [of Palin] was: This is a woman who is a wife and a mother, and let us tell you about her family,” said Ruth B. Mandel, a founder of and senior scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “If they want the country to see her in a different way, and if they want the children and the family to be off-limits, they have to reframe it. You can’t have it both ways.”

Barbara Risman, a leader of the Council on Contemporary Families and a sociology professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, walked a middle ground on the emergence of gender identity politics in the presidential race.

“It makes absolutely no sense for me to vote for a woman just because I have a vagina and so does she,” said Risman. “But it does make sense for me … I believe that someone who has lived a life like mine just might understand my struggles more than others.”

And she hoped that Palin and the uproar over her coverage would prove itself to be a cultural milestone: “I think it’s really important, from this day forward, that we all ask about every candidate’s work life and home life. It’s sexism otherwise. ... We have to be careful not to ask her questions that we wouldn’t ask a male candidate.”

Cecile Dehesdin, Ryan Grim, David Paul Kuhn contributed to this story

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Damn. Giuliani is tearing Obama apart. That N.Y. attitude, I suppose.

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