And McCains VP is Palin

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i don't know the numbers on this subject John, but one number i do know is that the hospital my brother worked at the last 2 years lost $10,000,000 each year just from illegal imigrants. and $14,000,000 from uninsured legal people from northern indiana and south side of chicago. that is about $48,000,000 loss in 2 years just for emergency room care for people that didn't pay their medical bills. This is just 1 hospital in one state and only for medical emergency room care.

when i here interviews on the news of illegals sending money back home to mexico and then complain they can't get get medical here in the US it pisses me off. instead of sending money back home get insurance and pay your bills. Illegals send billions back to Mexico and then stand in line for free health care at emergency rooms and make us pay for their care. i have no problem helping someone but i have a big problem helping those that abuse the system. welfare should have a time limit on it and when it runs out owell they deserve to suffer at that point. if someone (even handicap) can't get off their ass to take care of themselves then they deserve what happens to them.

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i don't know the numbers on this subject John, but one number i do know is that the hospital my brother worked at the last 2 years lost $10,000,000 each year just from illegal imigrants. and $14,000,000 from uninsured legal people from northern indiana and south side of chicago. that is about $48,000,000 loss in 2 years just for emergency room care for people that didn't pay their medical bills. This is just 1 hospital in one state and only for medical emergency room care.

when i here interviews on the news of illegals sending money back home to mexico and then complain they can't get get medical here in the US it pisses me off. instead of sending money back home get insurance and pay your bills. Illegals send billions back to Mexico and then stand in line for free health care at emergency rooms and make us pay for their care. i have no problem helping someone but i have a big problem helping those that abuse the system. welfare should have a time limit on it and when it runs out owell they deserve to suffer at that point. if someone (even handicap) can't get off their ass to take care of themselves then they deserve what happens to them.

Nice change of topic.

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i don't know the numbers on this subject John, but one number i do know is that the hospital my brother worked at the last 2 years lost $10,000,000 each year just from illegal imigrants. and $14,000,000 from uninsured legal people from northern indiana and south side of chicago. that is about $48,000,000 loss in 2 years just for emergency room care for people that didn't pay their medical bills. This is just 1 hospital in one state and only for medical emergency room care.

when i here interviews on the news of illegals sending money back home to mexico and then complain they can't get get medical here in the US it pisses me off. instead of sending money back home get insurance and pay your bills. Illegals send billions back to Mexico and then stand in line for free health care at emergency rooms and make us pay for their care. i have no problem helping someone but i have a big problem helping those that abuse the system. welfare should have a time limit on it and when it runs out owell they deserve to suffer at that point. if someone (even handicap) can't get off their ass to take care of themselves then they deserve what happens to them.

Nice change of topic.

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not a change in topic. you wanted numbers on those that couldn't care for themselves / wouldn't care for themselves and i don't have that answer, but i do have #s on one hospital and it is stagering. if most of these people got cut off they would have to pay for themselves. If this miss use of the medical care system is repeated across the country the $ number would be in the billions. aren't you tired of paying for this? I know I am.
Obama wants to increase this total and Mcain / palin won't. I think Palin is an great choice for vp and maybe she might instill some self respect and values back into the american people.

it is not if you have a problem it is how you handle the problem and people in america want the easy way out, they lay down and say "the system will take care of me". americans are lazy self serving people and have no respect for others and this is shown by the people that collect welfare and free medical.

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not a change in topic. you wanted numbers on those that couldn't care for themselves / wouldn't care for themselves and i don't have that answer, but i do have #s on one hospital and it is stagering. if most of these people got cut off they would have to pay for themselves. If this miss use of the medical care system is repeated across the country the $ number would be in the billions. aren't you tired of paying for this? I know I am.
Obama wants to increase this total and Mcain / palin won't. I think Palin is an great choice for vp and maybe she might instill some self respect and values back into the american people.

it is not if you have a problem it is how you handle the problem and people in america want the easy way out, they lay down and say "the system will take care of me". americans are lazy self serving people and have no respect for others and this is shown by the people that collect welfare and free medical.

But you STILL can't tell us what % are truly lazy, as opposed to in temporary difficulties, just laid off, disability, etc.

I KNOW how much of our taxes goes to supporting Bush's optional war in Iraq.

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We still have till Jan for him to dream up some stupid shit as an excuse...I dont think he is ready to relinquish power yet... time will tell.

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well at least that will be the best excuse some of you in the fringe right would buy in a heartbeat.

Take off your partisan glasses and look around. You are not as correct as you think you are.

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well i know $10,000,000 at this hospital goes just for illegals and that should be zero.
as far as the war in Iraq goes the majority voted on it including democrats. the popular vote was for it so suck it up and see it through to the end. if people don't like it tough. if the ones that voted for it then but don't want it now can't handle it to bad it is to late you can't take it back. It would be criminal to back out and leave those people hanging again like we did in the first Iraq war.

the problems we have now is not the war it is foriegn oil, and free loaders on the system. foriegn oil is going to cost 4-5 time more than the war. last i heard illegal's cost over $200,000,000 a year. (kinda makes the war seem not so bad). the figure i heard a couple weeks ago was close to 30% off all inmates are illegals, how much is that costing ?

the oil problem will not go away any time soon even with alternatives, plastics, tires, lubricants all come from oil (try to make those out of electricity). the alternatives out there right now are not the answer either. hybred batteries are very toxic and cannot be recycled or disposed of(it is easier to get rid of radioactive waste than a hybred battery)

we have alot of problems and Obama has no clue how to handle them. Mccain has the ability to work with and fix alot of these issues(by working with both sides) and has picked a running mate to help him.

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McCain has conceded his argument that Obama is too inexperienced.

McCain has conceded that Palin is experienced enough to be VP. That is different than President.

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I'm also not a huge fan of the Biden pick, but understand that is was simply a concession to the "not experienced enough" arguments.

With Obama's pick he has show HE is not experienced enough.

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Now, the two tickets are comparably experienced, so let's move on to other issues.

You don't get it....Let me explain. On one ticket we have an experienced President and a non experienced VP. On the other we have a non experienced President and an experienced VP.

The tickets would only be equal if it was:

Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain or,
McCain/Palin vs. Biden/Obama.

As it stands we have one group with the lesser experienced person in the top spot, and the other in the #2 spot. That is not even.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Is the best you can do some not really hidden personal attack?

Because if that is really the best you can do...I will not be playing that game and will just ignore your attacks and fact less comments.

You get what you give.

I was taught by our government to teach to the lowest common level of understanding for the group you are teaching. I would just hate to leave anyone behind.. incapable of getting it.

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You and I will have to disagree on the experience thing. I think all four parties have *enough* experience to be President. I think McCain and Biden have too much, or rather too much baggage that comes part & parcel with political experience. I think Obama's experience is more relevant to the position than Palin's, but the difference isn't terribly significant.

Besides experience, there are many other considerations that must be taken into account when deciding whether a person is "qualified" to be President.


Consider this:

Two advanced degrees in law, one cum laude from Harvard, and both belonging to part-time constitutional law professors

vs

Two bachelor degrees, one in flying (very poorly at that) and one in journalism.

It's my belief that the former combined education is FAR more qualified to appoint Supreme Court justices than the latter.

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McCain has conceded his argument that Obama is too inexperienced.

McCain has conceded that Palin is experienced enough to be VP. That is different than President.

How, Ron?

The VP may have to assume the Presidency in January, 2009. This has happened before. Harrison served for 30 days, Garfield for 6 months.

So no, there is no difference in the roles. It might be different if the VP was more like the Lt Governor position, where that person steps in as an iterim governor, but then there is a special election.

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Two bachelor degrees, one in flying (very poorly at that)

I have seen you say that multiple times. So since McCain got shot down he must be a bad pilot? Is that the best you can do? So Bob Hoover must have sucked at flying also in your world. Although he is one of the most respected test pilots in the world.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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You Dems go on ahead and keep attacking her...makes her more likeable to the general public.

Please don't dent the planet.

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You Dems go on ahead and keep attacking her...makes her more likeable to the general public.

And what makes you think the Democrats aren't a part of the "general public"?

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Two bachelor degrees, one in flying (very poorly at that)

I have seen you say that multiple times. So since McCain got shot down he must be a bad pilot? Is that the best you can do? So Bob Hoover must have sucked at flying also in your world. Although he is one of the most respected test pilots in the world.

Actually, the poor flying part may stem from his poor class ranking.

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Two bachelor degrees, one in flying (very poorly at that)

I have seen you say that multiple times. So since McCain got shot down he must be a bad pilot? Is that the best you can do? So Bob Hoover must have sucked at flying also in your world. Although he is one of the most respected test pilots in the world.

It should be pointed out that being a pilot (at whatever skill level) isn't the same thing as being qualified for running the country.

Prime example; GWB.

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>You Dems go on ahead and keep attacking her...makes her
>more likeable to the general public.

True. It worked when the Republicans did it to Chelsea Clinton.

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Two bachelor degrees, one in flying (very poorly at that)

I have seen you say that multiple times. So since McCain got shot down he must be a bad pilot? Is that the best you can do? So Bob Hoover must have sucked at flying also in your world. Although he is one of the most respected test pilots in the world.

The "very poorly" refers as much to his graduating rank of 894 out of 899 (bottom 1%) as it does to his 5 aircraft crashes (including the one time he was shot out of the sky, but not the one time his plane was shot on the deck of the Forrestal). This story and this story don't include the experimental/ultralight he crashed after his POW stint.

Apparently, he should have studied a bit harder...or maybe that's the best he could do. In any case, his course of study was largely irrelevant to being President, and he wasn't any good at it anyhow.

Blues,
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It should be pointed out that being a pilot (at whatever skill level) isn't the same thing as being qualified for running the country.

Tell that to Dave. He's the one who seems to bring up McCain being shot down and that somehow proof that he was a bad pilot.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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> He's the one who seems to bring up McCain being shot down and
>that somehow proof that he was a bad pilot.

It's all the crashes, I think, that demonstrate that he might be a bad pilot. A DZO whose pilot crashes five Otters might not be so willing to give him a go at the sixth one. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good manifester, though.

On the other hand, if he really wants the manifester job, and tells people "I should DEFINITELY do manifest, because I served the drop zone so well as a pilot!" people might think his judgment is a bit suspect.

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On the other hand, if he really wants the manifester job, and tells people "I should DEFINITELY do manifest, because I served the drop zone so well as a pilot!" people might think his judgment is a bit suspect.

Or what if he says, "Respect my judgment as Manifester because I appointed The Hot Chick to pack the tandems. (She'll also preside over the safety meetings, although she won't have a vote.) Oh, and if I code on the job, she'll take over for me."

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You get what you give.

Really? Show where I have made anything close to a snarky remark aimed at you in the last year? I have tried to treat you like an adult even if I don't agree with you...Can you say the same?

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I was taught by our government to teach to the lowest common level of understanding for the group you are teaching. I would just hate to leave anyone behind.. incapable of getting it.

Oh, look the best you can do is insults!

Mods....why do you let her get away with these things?

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I think all four parties have *enough* experience to be President.

That's not what you have been saying.

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I think Obama's experience is more relevant to the position than Palin's

Based on? What Govt's has he run?

I think being a mayor and a gov is MUCH more than just being in Congress.

Consider this:

Two lawyers, or a mix of experience....Which has more diversity?

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It's my belief that the former combined education is FAR more qualified to appoint Supreme Court justices than the latter.

That is just one part of the job. How about running a govt organization with a budget? How much experience in that field does a law degree give you?

It is clear you just like Obama...Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that Obama is more experienced than McCain is silly. To claim that experience does not mater (or that it hurts), but your candidate picked a VP that has been in Washington longer than McCain just shoots that theory down.

Again, if it was Biden/Obama your experience arguments (and mine) would be negated.

I am not voting for Obama based on his stances...But to hear some slam Palin for lack of experience to be VP while they support Obama for President is just funny.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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You get what you give.

Really? Show where I have made anything close to a snarky remark aimed at you in the last year? I have tried to treat you like an adult even if I don't agree with you...Can you say the same?

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I was taught by our government to teach to the lowest common level of understanding for the group you are teaching. I would just hate to leave anyone behind.. incapable of getting it.

Oh, look the best you can do is insults!

Mods....why do you let her get away with these things?

It's only an insult if you admit to being at the lowest common level of understanding. Otherwise it's just a statement of pedagogy.

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How, Ron?

In the fact that the occurrences are statistically insignificant.

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So no, there is no difference in the roles

There clearly are differences. The VP is only given power by the President. Other than right of succession and casting a vote in the event of a tie, the VP has no other listed responsibilities.

In that light, a younger less experienced VP candidate can be groomed while in office by the President.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334