nerdgirl 0 #276 September 1, 2008 I like Governor Palin a lot. And not for snarky reasons either. She took on what she saw as ethical lapses within her own party and the AK “old boys” network. Sounds like she offended a lot of people … may be difficult to disentangle how much due to her choices and how much due to her being a strong woman in power. She does seem to live her politics. Don't get me wrong, have substantial disagreements with many of her policies, particularly the social policies. Governor Palin may not be as traditional Republican in some other ways than have been described: From the Seattle Times: “Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and Alaska’s Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on the oil industry -- a step that has generated stunning new wealth for the state as oil prices soared.” In August 2006, Palin passed legislature imposing a tax of 22.5% to oil companies in Alaska. In October 2007, she increased the tax to 25%. “‘By receiving an equitable share for our resources, we are now in a position to demand more accountability and seize opportunities to save for future generations,’ [then-Governor] Palin said in a statement released last December as she signed the next tax bill into law.” NB: that’s the same windfall tax proposal that Sen McCain criticized Sen Obama for proposing. More notable: Governor Palin “raised taxes on oil profits by $1.5 billion a year and rejected industry ownership of a $25 billion pipeline,” i.e., she transferred ownership from private entity to the State. Compare that to what was mentioned by Rep Maxine Waters said during Congressional hearing that garnered much vitriol – very similar. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #277 September 1, 2008 Just more of the same.... When your party involves us in war after war after war.. you would think all those Young Repubicans would not be avoiding serving their country.... but they are more interested in serving themselves.. as their parents have done. Again... when you get your rocks off getting all macho in support of war after war...I just tend to think all those patriots out there might want to "go git some" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #278 September 1, 2008 Quote “‘By receiving an equitable share for our resources, we are now in a position to demand more accountability and seize opportunities to save for future generations,’ [then-Governor] Palin said in a statement released last December as she signed the next tax bill into law.” NB: that’s the same windfall tax proposal that Sen McCain criticized Sen Obama for proposing. More notable: Governor Palin “raised taxes on oil profits by $1.5 billion a year and rejected industry ownership of a $25 billion pipeline,” i.e., she transferred ownership from private entity to the State. Compare that to what was mentioned by Rep Maxine Waters said during Congressional hearing that garnered much vitriol – very similar. VR/Marg Stop confusing the right wingers with facts. It's a really bad habit of yours.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #279 September 1, 2008 5 deferments. And I knew you (would find a way to be) would be OK with that. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #280 September 1, 2008 And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #281 September 1, 2008 QuoteJust more of the same.... When your party involves us in war after war after war.. you would think all those Young Repubicans would not be avoiding serving their country.... but they are more interested in serving themselves.. as their parents have done. Quote Republicans are more interested in serving themselves than the country. That's the logic you're going with? The majority of military members are conservative republicans. call them what you will, but self serving they are not. As far as 'my party' involving us in war after war... Wilson won his second term on the basis of "he kept us out of the war" (WWI), then got the US involved in his second term. FDR ran WWII through his third and fourth terms. Kennedy and Johnson were the ones who escalated and "led" the Vietnam war. Truman began the intervention in Korea. Nobody can argue that our involvment was necessary in at least WWI and II, but they were still led by Dem Presidents. Again, none of this has anything to do with Palin. Other than discrediting yourself with statements like republicans lead us into war after war. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #282 September 1, 2008 QuoteThe majority of military members are conservative republicans. call them what you will, but self serving they are not. Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? How many little military adventures have we been in .. the last 30 years????? How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. http://awolbush.com/whoserved.html Republicans/Conservatives Political Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1) Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2) Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1) Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2) Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. (1) Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. Rep. Mark Kirk, R-IL -- his website claimed he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom; in reality, he had to correct the record. Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism) Rep. Randy Kuhl, R-NY - Did not serve. (1) Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2) Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source) Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2) Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2) Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2) Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1) Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2) George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2) Spencer Abraham, did not serve John Engler, did not serve (1, 2) Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1) Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1) Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1) Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition Senator Joe Lieberman - did not serve. George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Distinguished Flying Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link). Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1) (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain. Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served. Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online) George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. (However, apparently served in the Peace Corps.) Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, Did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji John Wayne, did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Sean Hannity, did not serve. Kenneth Starr, did not serve Antonin Scalia, did not serve Clarence Thomas, did not serve Ralph Reed, did not serve Michael Medved, did not serve Charlie Daniels, did not serve Ted Nugent, did not serve Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1) Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve. Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served. Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder). James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. (1) Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. (1) Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. (link) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #283 September 1, 2008 Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did well grasshopper"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #284 September 1, 2008 Still waiting for your excuse.... College deferments were all the rage....at the time for some people. Cheney supports war.. and always has..its his mindset. Do you think Biden had the same mindset??? When someone loves war but is too much of a coward himself to step up....yet is willing to send others...what do you call that ....that is how it certainly seems much of the right wing defines patriotism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #285 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote The majority of military members are conservative republicans. call them what you will, but self serving they are not. Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? How many little military adventures have we been in .. the last 30 years????? How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. http://awolbush.com/whoserved.html Republicans/Conservatives Political Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1) Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2) Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1) Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2) Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. (1) Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. Rep. Mark Kirk, R-IL -- his website claimed he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom; in reality, he had to correct the record. Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism) Rep. Randy Kuhl, R-NY - Did not serve. (1) Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2) Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source) Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2) Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2) Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2) Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1) Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2) George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2) Spencer Abraham, did not serve John Engler, did not serve (1, 2) Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1) Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1) Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1) Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition Senator Joe Lieberman - did not serve. George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Distinguished Flying Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link). Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1) (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain. Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served. Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online) George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. (However, apparently served in the Peace Corps.) Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, Did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji John Wayne, did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Sean Hannity, did not serve. Kenneth Starr, did not serve Antonin Scalia, did not serve Clarence Thomas, did not serve Ralph Reed, did not serve Michael Medved, did not serve Charlie Daniels, did not serve Ted Nugent, did not serve Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1) Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve. Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served. Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder). James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. (1) Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. (1) Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. (link) And what percentage of the US population does serve oh self ritous one? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #286 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Chickenhawk involves both chicken AND hawk attributes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #287 September 1, 2008 Quote Still waiting for your excuse.... I screwed up. I made a mistake by not going. But I do not say this for your short sighted shit"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #288 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #289 September 1, 2008 I hear the reserves and National Guard are looking for people still. and they have lifted ALL kinds of restrictions to get warm bodies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #290 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #291 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. I have paid little attention to any of the deferments statements comment and what ever. I was one year from being draft eligable. The mind set was much different and ideology and beliefs played into peoples personal decisions. Bidend got 5 deferments. Cheany got 5 deferments. That is equal no matter what has happened since. If you can tell me the mind set of both of them then a conversation about it can be had. If not, then the party hack statement stands strong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #292 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #293 September 1, 2008 Quote Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? you're damn right i'll take that bet Quote How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? Oh, just this administration. My bad. I didn't realize you meant besides the past 100 years. Besides the National Guard? How many of the last administration served? Quote How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. What kind of broad question is that? Now you're just being testy. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #294 September 1, 2008 Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret. If Cheney chose to go the political route then that's fine. Civilians are in charge of giving the military orders. Cheney's deferments vs Biden's doesn't really matter in my opinion. They chose to go the civilian route of leading the nation. Military members chose to go their way. Why does it matter who chose what direction? If Cheney was in Iraq kicking doors then someone else would need to be back home making the decisions. Then you'd just be pissed at them. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #282 September 1, 2008 QuoteThe majority of military members are conservative republicans. call them what you will, but self serving they are not. Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? How many little military adventures have we been in .. the last 30 years????? How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. http://awolbush.com/whoserved.html Republicans/Conservatives Political Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1) Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2) Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1) Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2) Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. (1) Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. Rep. Mark Kirk, R-IL -- his website claimed he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom; in reality, he had to correct the record. Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism) Rep. Randy Kuhl, R-NY - Did not serve. (1) Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2) Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source) Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2) Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2) Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2) Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1) Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2) George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2) Spencer Abraham, did not serve John Engler, did not serve (1, 2) Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1) Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1) Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1) Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition Senator Joe Lieberman - did not serve. George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Distinguished Flying Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link). Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1) (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain. Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served. Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online) George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. (However, apparently served in the Peace Corps.) Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, Did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji John Wayne, did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Sean Hannity, did not serve. Kenneth Starr, did not serve Antonin Scalia, did not serve Clarence Thomas, did not serve Ralph Reed, did not serve Michael Medved, did not serve Charlie Daniels, did not serve Ted Nugent, did not serve Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1) Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve. Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served. Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder). James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. (1) Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. (1) Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. (link) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #283 September 1, 2008 Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did well grasshopper"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #284 September 1, 2008 Still waiting for your excuse.... College deferments were all the rage....at the time for some people. Cheney supports war.. and always has..its his mindset. Do you think Biden had the same mindset??? When someone loves war but is too much of a coward himself to step up....yet is willing to send others...what do you call that ....that is how it certainly seems much of the right wing defines patriotism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #285 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote The majority of military members are conservative republicans. call them what you will, but self serving they are not. Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? How many little military adventures have we been in .. the last 30 years????? How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. http://awolbush.com/whoserved.html Republicans/Conservatives Political Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1) Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2) Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1) Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2) Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. (1) Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. Rep. Mark Kirk, R-IL -- his website claimed he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom; in reality, he had to correct the record. Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism) Rep. Randy Kuhl, R-NY - Did not serve. (1) Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2) Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source) Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2) Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2) Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2) Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1) Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2) George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2) Spencer Abraham, did not serve John Engler, did not serve (1, 2) Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1) Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1) Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1) Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition Senator Joe Lieberman - did not serve. George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Distinguished Flying Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link). Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1) (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain. Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served. Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online) George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. (However, apparently served in the Peace Corps.) Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, Did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji John Wayne, did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Sean Hannity, did not serve. Kenneth Starr, did not serve Antonin Scalia, did not serve Clarence Thomas, did not serve Ralph Reed, did not serve Michael Medved, did not serve Charlie Daniels, did not serve Ted Nugent, did not serve Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1) Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve. Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served. Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder). James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. (1) Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. (1) Randi Rhodes - enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1977 and worked stateside as a mechanic in Texas, achieving the rank of Airman First Class. (link) And what percentage of the US population does serve oh self ritous one? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #286 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Chickenhawk involves both chicken AND hawk attributes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #287 September 1, 2008 Quote Still waiting for your excuse.... I screwed up. I made a mistake by not going. But I do not say this for your short sighted shit"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #288 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #289 September 1, 2008 I hear the reserves and National Guard are looking for people still. and they have lifted ALL kinds of restrictions to get warm bodies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #290 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #291 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. I have paid little attention to any of the deferments statements comment and what ever. I was one year from being draft eligable. The mind set was much different and ideology and beliefs played into peoples personal decisions. Bidend got 5 deferments. Cheany got 5 deferments. That is equal no matter what has happened since. If you can tell me the mind set of both of them then a conversation about it can be had. If not, then the party hack statement stands strong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #292 September 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #293 September 1, 2008 Quote Want to bet that is becoming less true.. deployment after deployment after deployment? you're damn right i'll take that bet Quote How many of THIS administration... that led us into the latest war.... actually have served ANYTHING or ANYONE.. other than themselves? Oh, just this administration. My bad. I didn't realize you meant besides the past 100 years. Besides the National Guard? How many of the last administration served? Quote How many of you on the RIGHT.. will ever serve ??? BUT... you certainly do seem to support this little adventure in Iraq.. that has claimed over 4000 of your fellow Americans who did. What kind of broad question is that? Now you're just being testy. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #294 September 1, 2008 Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret. If Cheney chose to go the political route then that's fine. Civilians are in charge of giving the military orders. Cheney's deferments vs Biden's doesn't really matter in my opinion. They chose to go the civilian route of leading the nation. Military members chose to go their way. Why does it matter who chose what direction? If Cheney was in Iraq kicking doors then someone else would need to be back home making the decisions. Then you'd just be pissed at them. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #295 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret. When you make posts like this I almost assume you are a heavy drug user. There is no other explination for the crap you just posted"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #296 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? Biden got 5 deferments. So did Cheany. No differnence unless one is a party hack that has got defend the un-defensible for party purposes. You did will grasshopper Good for both of them. Shame on Cheney for subsequently pushing policies that pushed other people's children into fighting his wars for him. Nice lie.... Only in your dreams. The evidence is abundant. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. Cheney's final excuse was that he had "other priorities". I am speaking to the fighting his wars for him bull shit statement. Oh, was he secretly on the front line in Iraq? Kicking in doors, or riding a tank? I wonder why we never heard; must be the "liberal media" keeping it secret. When you make posts like this I almost assume you are a heavy drug user. There is no other explination for the crap you just posted You really have had your head in the sand for the last 8 years. I guess we need a [satire] icon for you, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #297 September 2, 2008 QuoteYou really have had your head in the sand for the last 8 years. The Repubicans are still trying to fool people into thinking their party mascot is the elephant.... the new mascot has got to be an ostrich. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #298 September 2, 2008 Quote And I knew .. that you would be unable to see why... but not surprising coming from such a patirot as you. He got deferments.. and had asthma..... what was your excuse again??? It prevented him from packing a rifle, but not enough to be second in command...Shouldn't he be filing for another deferment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #299 September 2, 2008 Quote Palin has 13 years elected experience running governments from mayor to govenor. Neverminding the fact that running Wasilla pads a resume just slightly more than being on a high school yearbook committee, how do you add up 6 years as mayor and less than 2 years as governor to make them total 13 years? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #300 September 2, 2008 Quote And thinking this forum is anything but predominantly liberal is just denial. There isn't a single even semi-conservative mod for a little parity. Please dude. I'd say TomAiello qualifies as at least "semi-conservative." Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
