birdlike 0 #26 September 2, 2008 Quote I am sure there are nuts that believe that, just as there are nuts that believe that owning any weapon up to and including surface-to-air missile batteries should be 100% legal. Are you "sure" in spite of not having met or heard from a single one? Because I'm pro-gun (vehemently ) and I have never heard a person of my "faith" state adherence to that belief. On the other hand, I have definitely heard PUBLIC FIGURES in the gun-control debate state that they believe we have ZERO right as citizens to own guns, and that this means we should have them confiscated.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #27 September 2, 2008 > felons CAN be prosecuted for obtaining a gun (laws make doing so >illegal) and for possessing a gun, but not for failing to register a gun . . . Cool! You have found an excellent loophole to protect felons from being prosecuted for not registering their weapons. Congratulations; perhaps you will keep a few felons out of prison after they commit a crime with a gun. When the warm and fuzzy feeling you get from that fades, though, you will realize that you are exactly the sort of person I am referring to above. >Oh, so you were just mincing words when you said you didn't "KNOW" >any. You admit that they exist, in an as-yet unspecified number. No. Both statements are literally true. >Because I'm pro-gun (vehemently Tongue) and I have never heard a >person of my "faith" state adherence to that belief. I did not realize I was arguing religion with you. In that case, believe whatever you like. I will continue to believe that any sane, law abiding US citizen has the right to own SOME weapons (including handguns but not including weaponized anthrax.) I will support laws that prevent weapons from getting into the hands of criminals, and not support laws that unduly penalize law-abiding adults who wish to own them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #28 September 2, 2008 Quote > felons CAN be prosecuted for obtaining a gun (laws make doing so >illegal) and for possessing a gun, but not for failing to register a gun . . . Cool! You have found an excellent loophole to protect felons from being prosecuted for not registering their weapons. Congratulations; perhaps you will keep a few felons out of prison after they commit a crime with a gun. Cool! You have managed to be WHOLLY DISINGENUOUS with this statement. I did not "find the loophole," Billvon. Their lawyers evidently did. This stemmed from an actual case at law. But thanks for giving me the credit for being a legal genius. Oh, besides, once again I have to point out to you that the crimes they commit with the guns do not fall under this "protection"; ONLY their failure to register them does. Why do you do this kind of thing, Billvon? Why do you regurgitate outright falsehoods when my text made it perfectly clear before you wrote them that your words would be flat-out erroneous? Quote >Because I'm pro-gun (vehemently) and I have never heard a >person of my "faith" state adherence to that belief. I did not realize I was arguing religion with you. You're not. Couldn't you tell that the quotation marks meant I was "holding up my fingers and wiggling them *like this*? Meaning, I was saying that in humor and sarcasm? Quote In that case, believe whatever you like. I will continue to believe that any sane, law abiding US citizen has the right to own SOME weapons (including handguns but not including weaponized anthrax.) I will support laws that prevent weapons from getting into the hands of criminals, and not support laws that unduly penalize law-abiding adults who wish to own them. Then we are in agreement, Billvon! But the fact is that IT IS THE U.S. CONSTITUTION that protects the felons from being prosecuted for failure to register firearms. Criminals do not self-report, Billvon. Not for gun crimes, not for rapes, not for vehicle thefts. Perhaps you want to criminalize a car thief's failure to register the car he stole. And then I'll point out that lawyers have already proven to a court's satisfaction that he can't be compelled to bear witness against himelf like that. And then you'll criticize me as though he couldn't be prosecuted for the very theft of the car. Fortunately, your fear of the gun-criminals going free becomes an issue in very very few jurisdictions, because MOST places do not require firearms be registered in the first place. And in the few cases where it may be an issue, it is a trifling one, because these guys are not only felons who failed to register guns (unprosecutable), they are felons in possession of guns (wholly prosecutable, and likely felons who just committed crimes with them (also wholly prosecutable) -- Google "Operation Exile") See, when I point that out, it gives lie to that crap you just spewed about how I should be congratulated for keeping armed felons out of prison. Come on, Billvon.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
