shropshire 0 #1 August 28, 2008 Do you think the US of A was right to not join WW 2 at the begining? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 August 28, 2008 The USA was a COMPLETELY different country in 1939 than what it is today. We were coming out of a depression.. slowly..... and after the experience with the GREAT POWERS at the end of the War to End All Wars....I don't think MOST Americans were willing to get involved. Isolationism died a quick death on Dec 7th.. and the history of the world has been one of the USA being involved on a global scale ... ever since. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 August 28, 2008 I don't think that our folks wanted to get involved either but on the whole, it was the right think to do.... and it cost us a fortune that we have only just finished paying for (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 August 28, 2008 QuoteThe USA was a COMPLETELY different country in 1939 than what it is today. We were coming out of a depression.. slowly..... and after the experience with the GREAT POWERS at the end of the War to End All Wars....I don't think MOST Americans were willing to get involved. Isolationism died a quick death on Dec 7th.. and the history of the world has been one of the USA being involved on a global scale ... ever since. Of course when you say "we" you mean the little people and not the president. Canada delayed declaring war for three days so the equipment could gush across the border between the two neutral parties. Following that the equipment and ordinance transfers were more clandestine. Same thing happened during WWI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 August 28, 2008 QuoteThe USA was a COMPLETELY different country in 1939 than what it is today...I don't think MOST Americans were willing to get involved. Isolationism died a quick death on Dec 7th.. and the history of the world has been one of the USA being involved on a global scale ... ever since. Yep. And look at all the evil that arose because tyrants were sure that America wouldn't respond: Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini brought death and hell to tens of millions of people around the globe. And this is the philosophy to which the liberals wish to return. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #6 August 28, 2008 QuoteDo you think the US of A was right to not join WW 2 at the begining? And while we're at it... Can we who are Americans finally acknowledge that as students of history, it's fairly assured that while the UK couldn't've defeated Germany without the US's help, the US likewise couldn't have accomplished it without the UK's efforts? And that neither nor both of us could've accomplished it without the USSR? The whole "limeys would be speaking German now were it not for us" is tiring and simply wrong.Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 August 28, 2008 QuoteYep. And look at all the evil that arose because tyrants were sure that America wouldn't respond: Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini brought death and hell to tens of millions of people around the globe. And this is the philosophy to which the liberals wish to return. How do you reconcile your fringe right views of no engagement with the UN then??? It seems its the far right that wants their cake... and to eat it too. WAR IS GOOD... kill kill kill GET OUT OF THE UN.... Hmm sounds like hypocrisy at its finest to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 August 28, 2008 That goes without saying.... But the cost to the U.K was very, very high. Germany was rebuilt after the war... Our folks continued to pay for the war in more ways than we can count. The "Lend Lease program" was bitch and we should have forced Germany into paying massive reparations but Hey that was one of the causes of WW2 after the extreme penalties paid for WW1 Was it worth it? Hell yes but maybe, just maybe if we had all stood together earlier the problem could have been nipped in the bud (HindSight 20/20 f'sure). . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #9 August 28, 2008 Quote but maybe, just maybe if we had all stood together earlier the problem could have been nipped in the bud (HindSight 20/20 f'sure) Whoa, hold on there now fella. Proactively attacking after diplomacy fails in order to prevent greater tragedy later would surely have not gone over too well here in dz.com speaker's corner... Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 August 28, 2008 We could have stopped them from rearming and "WE" must have know what had been going on in Germany with "The Camps" from before '33; that's at least 6 years before the war. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 August 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you think the US of A was right to not join WW 2 at the begining? And while we're at it... Can we who are Americans finally acknowledge that as students of history, it's fairly assured that while the UK couldn't've defeated Germany without the US's help, the US likewise couldn't have accomplished it without the UK's efforts? And that neither nor both of us could've accomplished it without the USSR? The whole "limeys would be speaking German now were it not for us" is tiring and simply wrong. How? Without the US, England eventually falls. Certainly they weren't going to invade back, they were just working on getting by. Without the UK and the Island as a launching point, the US can't take Germany, and probably doesn't even try, sues for peace, and focuses on the Pacific war while the Nazis either eliminate Russia, or push it backwards and build their version of Hadrian's Wall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #12 August 28, 2008 Quote How? Without the USSR, England eventually falls. Certainly they weren't going to invade back, they were just working on getting by. . Fixed it. Invading the USSR guaranteed Hitler's defeat.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #13 August 29, 2008 Quote How? What do you mean 'how?' Didn't you and I just essentially say the same thing? Except I added the bit about US&UK-led coalition probably failing without USSR's involvement? Either you didn't read my post before replying, or I simply don't understand your point. I'll admit the latter is quite possible. Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 August 29, 2008 "The whole "limeys would be speaking German now were it not for us" is tiring and simply wrong." How is this simply wrong? I argued that without the US, the Brits would have suffered German occupation. In that scenario, I don't see the Russians winning, rather they fight to a new standstill. Western Europe, otoh, is fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #15 August 29, 2008 GOD BLESS AMERICA *waves flag* I personally think that ever since their unbelievable shame of sitting out the beginning of WW2 they are over compensating by intervening in every minor skirmish around the globe now. Kind of like how a repressed homosexual oozes machismo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 August 29, 2008 Quote I personally think that ever since their unbelievable shame of sitting out the beginning of WW2 they are over compensating by intervening in every minor skirmish around the globe now. Kind of like how a repressed homosexual oozes machismo The only shame that the US might have inherited from WWII was failure to bomb the death camps, and has been compensating since in the support of Israel. (it should also be noted that roughly 45% of Jews live in America, same as the number in Israel) The Cold War, and the belief in the domino theory pushed the active role about the globe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 August 29, 2008 Quote"The whole "limeys would be speaking German now were it not for us" is tiring and simply wrong." How is this simply wrong? I argued that without the US, the Brits would have suffered German occupation. In that scenario, I don't see the Russians winning, rather they fight to a new standstill. Western Europe, otoh, is fucked. Hitler called off the invasion of England after the Batle of Britian having failed to destroy the RAF and gain air superiority. Years before the USA even entered WWII.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 August 29, 2008 Or to put in another way.... The USA was late entering WWI and WWII but has been trying to make up for it ever since by trying its hardest to start WWIII When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 August 29, 2008 Quote "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." "This was their finest hour" (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #20 August 29, 2008 Quote>"The whole "limeys would be speaking German now were it not for us" is tiring and simply wrong." How is this simply wrong? Well, if you pull that one sentence out of the context of my larger post, then sure. Go ahead and change 'wrong' to 'incomplete'.Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 August 29, 2008 Yes it was.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 August 29, 2008 QuoteI personally think that ever since their unbelievable shame of sitting out the beginning of WW2 they are over compensating by intervening in every minor skirmish around the globe now. Don't you see the contradiction in that statement? Do you want us to intervene early when things aren't too bad yet, or wait until they blow up and become a world war? You liberals spend a lot of time here complaining about the former, and now you're complaining that we didn't do it soon enough to stop WWII. I wish you guys would make up your minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #23 August 29, 2008 >Do you want us to intervene early when things aren't too bad yet . . . I'd prefer we stopped creating people like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, myself. We should _stop_ intervening early when things aren't too bad, rather than intervene and make them worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 August 29, 2008 QuoteI'd prefer we stopped creating people like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... Is there anything evil in the world that isn't America's fault, in the mind of you liberals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #25 August 29, 2008 >Is there anything evil in the world that isn't America's fault, in the mind of you liberals? Is there any part of the US Constitution (other than the Second Amendment, of course) that you don't hate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
