Sletzer 3 #1 August 26, 2008 This is a shitty time to be smuggling drugs near the border http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410261,00.htmlI will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #2 August 26, 2008 SC in 3... 2... 1... Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #3 August 26, 2008 Thank God we have such great control over our southern border, no risk at all of anyone getting through... Oh, wait...Elvisio "not much will change" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 August 26, 2008 Yet these are the people our government went out of their way to do business(NAFTA). And then there is China. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #5 August 26, 2008 In Laredo, Texas, drug cartels are doing drive-by killings using .50 cal. weapons, full auto & etc. U.S. citizens from all the border states are being kidnapped and killed. I could go on and on but, all the kidnappings and killings are due to conflicts between warring cartels for control over drug trafficking routes in the U.S. Drug runners are dressing like Mexican military and escorting drug loads into our country. Recently, in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, the heads of 5 members of one of the cartels, were rolled across a dance floor one evening as a 'warning'. The rate of kidnappings by cartels, in San Diego County alone, are on the rise. In the last week or two, a Border Patrol agent was gunned-down by drug runners. Shoot-outs with Culberson County, Texas Sheriff, deputies and drug runners dressed as military took place this past spring. Military vehicles from Mexico were seen fueling at a truck stop in Van Horn, Texas. Our government in Washington denies, we have a problem on our southwest border. Maybe, they don't hear all of the story because the media is being suppressed by the cartels. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 August 26, 2008 yet more reasons to legalize it, watch those gangs shrivel up from lack of money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #7 August 26, 2008 Another unfortunate side affect of what you are saying is that regular Mexicans trying to get into the US have to be initially approched as hostile combatants by the Border Patrol. That could lead to situations where regular illegal immigrants could be harmed. It is always shitty to see the "innocents" get mixed up in the mess. This article focuses on them hitting competing Cartels in the US--- hopefully they don't start targetting our regular police forces on this side of the border. That could get NASTY. And from what I'm hearing it might be heading that way right now. What a mess.I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #8 August 26, 2008 Quoteillegal immigrants Arent "innocent". They are invading my country slowly but surely with little to no resistance.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #9 August 26, 2008 QuoteThis is a shitty time to be smuggling drugs near the border http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410261,00.html Does anyone think this is kind of a redundant announcement? They’re *drug cartels*. Their business is illegal. Often violently illegal. Even without going to Lexis-Nexis or before reading Chuck’s reply, I highly doubt that there has never been a death related to illegal Mexican drug cartels in Texas before. What’s the newsworthiness here? (And it’s not just FoxNews that ran the story.) Is this an immigration policy issue (highlighting problems of current policy) or is this an drug policy issue (highlighting problems of current policy)? Is this law enforcement issue? Dealing with armed, non-uniformed foreign nationals perpetuating violence against US citizens w/in the territory of the US? VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #10 August 26, 2008 >Arent "innocent". Neither are speeders, pot smokers or tax evaders - but that doesn't mean it's OK to shoot them, even accidentally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 August 27, 2008 It's so newsworthy I didn't even bother to read the article. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #12 August 27, 2008 Quote yet more reasons to legalize it, watch those gangs shrivel up from lack of money. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with their character. They'll just go on to find legitimate jobs. Wouldn't dream of finding some other criminal enterprise to engage in. The only reason they are evil, murderous fucks is that there's money to be made in drugs. Really, deep in their hearts, they want to be workaday joes. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #13 August 27, 2008 Quote Another unfortunate side affect of what you are saying is that regular Mexicans trying to get into the US have to be initially approched as hostile combatants by the Border Patrol. That could lead to situations where regular illegal immigrants could be harmed. It is always shitty to see the "innocents" get mixed up in the mess. Yeah, those "innocent" ILLEGAL immigrants. Poor them. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #14 August 27, 2008 Quote >Arent "innocent". Neither are speeders, pot smokers or tax evaders - but that doesn't mean it's OK to shoot them, even accidentally. There's a very simple way for illegal immigrants to be sure they will not be caught up in this situation. See if you can guess it, Billvon! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #15 August 27, 2008 Quoteyet more reasons to legalize it, watch those gangs shrivel up from lack of money. Do you really want to see cocaine and heroin legalized? Those are the two hot items in demand. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 August 27, 2008 This may sound ugly but, that's too fucking bad! We've let the 'problem' with our southwest border get to where it is today. We need to close it! As was said in a previous post, illegals aren't innocent. The problem has spread to our interior in the form of very well managed gangs working with the cartels. Those gangs aren't just in L.A., they are in just about every city in this country. If, you don't believe it, check it out. Other countries have closed borders... why can't we? Do away with NAFTA and the 'super highways' coming out of Mexico into the U.S. and even Canada. The good ol' days are gone. Our neighbors to the south aren't helping us. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #17 August 27, 2008 >There's a very simple way for illegal immigrants to be sure they will not be >caught up in this situation. Just as there is a very simple way for speeders to make sure they will not be caught up in this situation. Still, if a cop shoots a speeder out of carelessness, I'd hope he loses his job at the very least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #18 August 27, 2008 There's a reason I put "innocents" in quotations. But I still hate to see people get killed in the crossfire. I guess like one guy said though, if they weren't there, they wouldn't get caught up in it. Not a bad point .....I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #19 August 27, 2008 Not just Mexican 'innocents' are getting caught-up in the crossfire... U.S. citizens are, also. This topic has been covered in some way, shape or form. Those of us who don't like seeing the dope, gangs, illegals and etc., coming across our border need to quit voicing it here and voice it to our congressmen and senators. Let them know, we are tired of people being murdered and kidnapped by the drug cartels. We have a new president and probably a few senators coming to office soon, let's give them something to do! I'm going to start that letter and get it in the mail. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 August 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteyet more reasons to legalize it, watch those gangs shrivel up from lack of money. Do you really want to see cocaine and heroin legalized? Those are the two hot items in demand. Chuck we're copying with legal tobacco and alcohol, the latter of which kills ~20k motorists per year, plus the date rapes, pregnancies, and dead livers. What's worse, the crime associatied with the illegal trade, or the abuse of these substances? I find it hard to believe the latter will be worse, and at least then most of the damage will be done to willing participants, not innocent bystanders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #21 August 27, 2008 That old grind? Booze and cigarettes? What about all the car and house burglaries throughout this country? 7-11 robberies and home invasions? Do you think those will stop by legalizing dope? The vast majority of those burglaries is so some crook can get money for dope. How many die of overdoses from coke and black-tar heroin? O.K., we'll have fried brains on dope! Do you think, any of that will stop by legalizing that shit? The sad part of it is, it's getting to the kids in this country. Yeah, I know, kids get beer and booze too and drugs from their mom and dad's medicine chest. We need to stop the demand. Any ideas? You know, I've seen coke heads and heroin addicts and it ain't pretty. You think we need more of that by legalizing it. Just saying 'legalize it' won't end the problem. If, you want legalization... I want taxation on it! Hard and heavy taxing and not just the buyers but the sellers too. Sellers, distributors must be licensed by the state of federal government and the fees for those licenses... high! Unreasonably high! Cigarettes and booze are heavily taxed! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 August 27, 2008 QuoteThat old grind? Booze and cigarettes? If you won't learn, yeah, that old grind. We tried banning alcohol. We know how that worked out. We're happy to put up with the costs of alcohol abuse instead of the costs of illegal alcohol. We shouldn't be jailing users. It forces us to release real criminals sooner, costs us money, and renders these people useless to society. Certaintly the same would be true for pot. It probably is true for the others, but it's more debatable. We do know quite well that demand isn't going away. And quality will always be suspect if it's illegal. A regulated drug industry will provided taxable, consistently pure drugs at a much lower price, mitigating the need for the same level of crime to support junkie habits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #23 August 28, 2008 Quote Still, if a cop shoots a speeder out of carelessness, I'd hope he loses his job at the very least. Your analogies border on the ridiculous at times.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
