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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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Any bets?[url]http://sports.bodoglife.com/sports-betting/political-props.jsp[url] I'm taking McCain

I think you are correct.

I believe our nation is still loaded with passive racism. I'd love to be proven wrong.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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I believe our nation is still loaded with passive racism. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Yeah, if Obama doesn't win, it has to be because of "racism."


I'll bet only if jcd11235 will oppose me!

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I believe our nation is still loaded with passive racism.

Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with his politics, non-experience, inconsistent views, whining, inability to think off the cuff, or arrogance.



In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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NO, you idiot. If you don't vote for a black presidential candidate, you're CLEARLY a RACIST!

I honestly don't even know how your mother can stand to look at your face, you're such a racist. God!!

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I honestly don't even know how your mother can stand to look at your face, you're such a racist. God!!

No sh*t...my mom asked me if there was any underlying racism in my resistance to accept Sen. Obama as the savior. I listed everything out that I don't like about him, then noted that if I did have any racist tendencies, it might be a reflection of my upbringing...



She didn't want to talk about it anymore after that.



The only people bringing up race are those on the left. From the LA Times (asking if he's "Black enough") to DNC Chair Howard Dean...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Source, please? Thanks.

- Dan G

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The only people bringing up race are those on the left. From the LA Times (asking if he's "Black enough") to DNC Chair Howard Dean...

Irony score 10/10

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NO, you idiot. If you don't vote for a black presidential candidate, you're CLEARLY a RACIST!

Hell I'm not a racist! My family has owned a colored TV for 30 years!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Any bets?[url]http://sports.bodoglife.com/sports-betting/political-props.jsp[url] I'm taking McCain

I think you are correct.

I believe our nation is still loaded with passive racism. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Oh ya, the perfect set up for the excuse of loosing.

Cant be his health care plan
Cant be his preacher
Cant be his tax proposals
Cant be his associtation with Ayers
Cant be his associtation with certin people in Chicago that helped with his politcal growth and property "purchases"

No, being black is why he will loose

Just perfect

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I believe our nation is still loaded with aggressive and passive racism.

I believe there will be ignorant individuals who vote based on race. However, I believe those ignorant individuals will be both black and white. Hopefully, their votes will cancel each others out.

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Do you think that is an untrue statement? I think anyone who does or doesn't vote for him on the basis of his race is racist.

Blues,
Dave

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Do you think that is an untrue statement? I think anyone who does or doesn't vote for him on the basis of his race is racist.

Blues,
Dave

So true but, I dont think you realize you have labeled many more black people than white............. at least according to poling numbers and surveys done

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Do you think that is an untrue statement? I think anyone who does or doesn't vote for him on the basis of his race is racist.

Blues,
Dave

So true but, I dont think you realize you have labeled many more black people than white............. at least according to poling numbers and surveys done

While I'm sure there are some blacks voting for him solely because he's black, how many do you think switched teams to do so? It seems to me, the Democrats have pulled a pretty substantial majority of that vote with their white candidates too.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Do you think that is an untrue statement? I think anyone who does or doesn't vote for him on the basis of his race is racist.

Blues,
Dave

So true but, I dont think you realize you have labeled many more black people than white............. at least according to poling numbers and surveys done

While I'm sure there are some blacks voting for him solely because he's black, how many do you think switched teams to do so? It seems to me, the Democrats have pulled a pretty substantial majority of that vote with their white candidates too.

Blues,
Dave

Maybe, but the number stated is 90%.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

Source, please? Thanks.

I was slightly off target, not Sen. Obama's campaign, but none other than the NAACP:
http://www.newsone.com/article/racism-will-still-be-an-issue-if-obama-wins-says-naacp

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I was slightly off target, not Sen. Obama's campaign, but none other than the NAACP:
http://www.newsone.com/...bama-wins-says-naacp

Thanks, but you were more than slightly of target. In fact, the source that you provided said nothing like what you claimed.

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In fact, many in Sen. Obama's camp have said that if race-guilt brings him the vote, it still does not mean those that vote him in are not racist...

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Racial disparity will remain an issue in America, regardless of whether Barack Obama is elected as the nation's first black president, the chairman of the NAACP told the organization's national convention Sunday night.

The article says nothing of "race-guilt". It says nothing of the potential racism of voters on either side. All it says is that racism still exists in America. If you don't believe that it does, just read some of the posts on this very site.

Your original post is an example of how the conservative punditocracy is trying to frame this election in terms of fear, misunderstanding, and straw man race issues. I'm suprised that you are buying into it.

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So true but, I dont think you realize you have labeled many more black people than white............. at least according to poling numbers and surveys done

While I'm sure there are some blacks voting for him solely because he's black, how many do you think switched teams to do so? It seems to me, the Democrats have pulled a pretty substantial majority of that vote with their white candidates too.

Maybe, but the number stated is 90%.

Did anyone ever see if this played out in more than a few areas?

It's been noted previously that in January it was found

"In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party's presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York."

59% or just over half.

One might conclude that when an instance when 70-80% of some definable electrorate goes to Sen Obama occurs you hear about it. When it doesn't, you don't.

For example, does anyone have any citable stats on how that distribution is for white Republicans and candidates? It's likely to be 98%+ both because of the racial distribution of the candidates and because it's perceived as a non-issue.

"The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats."

So at one point more black Democrats supported Sen Clinton -- by 24 points. As Sen Obama's popularity has risen among Democrats, so has his support among black Democrats.

Another example of what one doesn't hear about on the blog-o-sphere punditry and another counter-example: in the Democratic Senate candidate run-off in Georgia, Jim Martin (a white man) beat Vernon Jones (a black man). This was the same Democratic electorate that when they voted 66% for Sen Obama versus 31% for Sen Clinton was presented as an example of 'black voters voting for blacks." If the latter assertion was true, one would have expected Jones (the black Democratic candidate) to win the primary run-off, but he didn't.

VR/Marg

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