Democratic National Convention - The Saga is Just Beginning

[lawrocket 3]

Apparently, there are not-too-happy campers at this point. There is still plenty of resentment between the Obama faction and the Clinton faction of the Democratic Party.

According to a report http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080825/pl_politico/12782:

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One flashpoint is the assigned speech topic for former president Bill Clinton, who is scheduled to speak Wednesday night, when the convention theme is “Securing America’s Future.” The night’s speakers will argue that Obama would be a more effective commander in chief than his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas — emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s.

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign is pissed about the Clintons.

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Nearly three months after Hillary Clinton conceded defeat in the nomination contest, these Obama partisans complained, her team continues to act like she and Bill Clinton hold leverage.

After a period earlier this month when the two sides were working collegially over strategy, scheduling, and other convention logistics, things turned scratchy again in recent days.

Some senior Obama supporters are irritated at how they perceive the Clintons fanned — or at a minimum failed to douse — stories that she was not even vetted as a possible vice presidential nominee. This is because she told Obama she preferred not to go through the rigorous process of document production unless she was really a serious contender, an Obama associate noted.

One senior Obama supporter said the Clinton associates negotiating on her behalf act like “Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific still fighting after the war is over.”

A prominent Obama backer said some of Clinton’s lieutentants negotiating with the Obama team are “bitter enders” who presume that, rather than the Clintons reconciling themselves to Obama’s victory, it is up to Obama to accommodate them.

So it looks like its coming down to a matter of who is dissing whom. Bill Clinton is going to have to talk about something he doesn't believe - that Obama would be a good commander-in-chief. Basically, Bill Clinton wanted to talk about himself, about how great his administration was, and about how great he is, and about how great his domestic policies were. (Ha! Now it's the DEMOCRATS who are living in the past).

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In fact, some senior veterans of Clinton’s presidential campaign do believe this.

“He has not fully reconciled,” said one political operative close to the Clintons, “and he has not demonstrated that he accepts the Clintons and the Clinton wing of the party.”

Gee. It's Obama's job to fit in with the Clintons, eh? Here's some news - Obama won. It would be nice if Obama extended an olive branch and bow before you, but he won. It seems that it may be a better move to get in his graces, wouldn't it?

But the article also said that Hillary is coping better than Bill is.

This is gonna be interesting.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

Again, for the nearly 1 billionth time . . . the Clintons are not a factor.

Some of her die hard supporters might be a bit of a factor, but put Hillary on-stage on Tuesday night, give her a nod for getting as much support as she did, she'll return the favor and release the delegates and we never have to hear from either of them again.

After Tuesday night they are done and you can quit worrying about it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[akarunway 1]

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Again, for the nearly 1 billionth time . . . the Clintons are not a factor.

Some of her die hard supporters might be a bit of a factor, but put Hillary on-stage on Tuesday night, give her a nod for getting as much support as she did, she'll return the favor and release the delegates and we never have to hear from either of them again.

After Tuesday night they are done and you can quit worrying about it.

I've been watching on and off all day. A bunch of flag waving sheep. Where are the protesters/homeless? Locked and hidden away somewhere I imagine. Just watched Jesse jackon jr.'s speech and mr. drown your mistress kennedy is supposed to be IN THE HOUSE. What a fuckin joke anymore. The whole fuckin process. Just came across this> "Chappaqudic
By ricklail
July 19, 2007 - 13:25 ET

How many heard anything about yesterday being the 38th anniversary of Chappaqudic? It was mentioned on one of Fox's News Programs. I don't watch the alphabet networks so I don't if it was mentionsed on them. In July of 1969 I was going through basic trainging at Fort Jackson. The joke then was that the Republicans (Nixon) put a man on the moon but the Democrats (Kennedy) couldn't get a whore across the river."

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[quade 4]

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How many heard anything about yesterday being the 38th anniversary of Chappaqudic?

Maybe it's because it wasn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

Dude, he didn't even get the spelling right.

I simply can't believe how easy fact checking is, yet people fall for false "facts" given by internet and talk radio clowns all the time. Tsk, tsk.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skydyvr 0]

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The joke then was that the Republicans (Nixon) put a man on the moon but the Democrats (Kennedy) couldn't get a whore across the river."

, thought about your joke the whole time Kennedy was speaking tonight, especially his generous references to the '69 moon landing.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Bah! It's their convention - let them have it. Senator Kennedy probably won't live to see the next one, so even though I don't like the man for what he's done and certainly disagree with his politics, it's nice he made it there to speak I suppose.

Now, the fact that the Dems will keep him in their party leadership after that, his Spanish incident, and etc and then have the audacity to claim ANYONE unfit for office for far lesser things is quite funny in the abstract.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[akarunway 1]

I will say M. Obamas' speech was pretty good. Fuckin politicians. LIE LIE LIE. Ok. Have to make a drink and more popcorn. Edit to add. Need Red Bull and vodka. Have to stay up for McCain and Leno. A wide awake drunk.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[livendive 8]

I thought Michelle (and her brother) did great. Her weaving back & forth showed her nerves, and her pauses showed her poise. She's pretty and well educated, and my money would be on her in a cage-match with all prior first ladies.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[lawrocket 3]

Hmmm. I'm not so sure Dave.

I think Laura Bush would win by bore knockout.
Hillary would get disqualified for low blows.
Barbara Bush would nice her to death.
Nancy would only fight her when the planets aligned right.
Rosalyn? She'd release another killer bunny.
Betty Ford? Her breath would knock out Michele.
Pat Nixon? Okay. Michelle could take her.
Lady Bird? She'd give her "The Treatment."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[birdlike 0]

This is one of the things that I think makes the Democrats seem like such a sad, sad farce: all of their talk about what makes them better than the Republicans, and they can't even get along with each other! They are like a bunch of squabbling children. They disgrace and embarrass themselves at every turn. It's completely comedic; but robs me of any confidence in their supposed ability to lead the country.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

[mnealtx 0]

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Basically, Bill Clinton wanted to talk about himself, about how great his administration was, and about how great he is, and about how great his domestic policies were. (Ha! Now it's the DEMOCRATS who are living in the past).

I wonder if Bill, Kallend, et al will be at the convention, calling "CDIF!! CDIF!!!"

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[rushmc 23]

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Again, for the nearly 1 billionth time . . . the Clintons are not a factor.(not meant to be insulting) Anyone not taking any impact of the Clintons seriously is incredibly short sited. I feel/think that the Clintons will try and de-rail Obama setting themselves up for the 2012 elections

Some of her die hard supporters might be a bit of a factor, but put Hillary on-stage on Tuesday night, give her a nod for getting as much support as she did, she'll return the favor and release the delegates and we never have to hear from either of them again.

After Tuesday night they are done and you can quit worrying about it.

I am not worrying about it as I really dont care, but, as I stated above, I do not think they will go away. Quitly or otherwise........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

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Basically, Bill Clinton wanted to talk about himself, about how great his administration was, and about how great he is, and about how great his domestic policies were. (Ha! Now it's the DEMOCRATS who are living in the past).

I wonder if Bill, Kallend, et al will be at the convention, calling "CDIF!! CDIF!!!"

I'm going to Couch Freaks.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,184]

Hey Marc

Are you going to Couch Freaks?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Hey Marc

Are you going to Couch Freaks?

Now THIS is a cool redirect

Yes, I will be there Saturday for sure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[livendive 8]

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This is one of the things that I think makes the Democrats seem like such a sad, sad farce: all of their talk about what makes them better than the Republicans, and they can't even get along with each other! They are like a bunch of squabbling children. They disgrace and embarrass themselves at every turn. It's completely comedic; but robs me of any confidence in their supposed ability to lead the country.

Newsflash - it ain't just the Democrats. Both parties are equally embarassing. One of the things I find good about Obama is that he at least tries to rise above the shit. The prospect of a President I can be proud of rather than embarassed by is attractive to me.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[kallend 2,184]

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Hey Marc

Are you going to Couch Freaks?

Now THIS is a cool redirect

Yes, I will be there Saturday for sure

Well, I tried to PM you but your PMs were blocked earlier this morning.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

Of course both parties are squabbling. Recall the efforts to make sure that McCain didn't get the votes.

The GOP has huge issues. But I think that the GOP has been fairly settled for the time being. There is no longer the "party leader" with the cult of personality. GWB - he's a lame duck who is trying to pass the torch to someone else. Gone are the days of Gingrich. There just isn't anyone else that strong in the GOP anymore.

The infighting is therefore not going to be that bad with the GOP. Who else is there?

I think Obama is a guy we can be proud of. I rather like that he isn't out there trying to convince people he's got oodles of foreign policy experience. Or that he's got oddles of domestic economic policy experience.

And that's honest. And smart.

Which presidents of the last 50 years had foreign policy experience? Ike did - the war type.
Kennedy didn't - and he played the game brilliantly (the Cuban Missile Crisis was a steely move that worked)
LBJ - had a lot of senatorial experience, and used that to thoroughly mismanage the war
Nixon - had foreign policy experience, and I think had a brilliant foreign policy legacy.
Ford - no real foreign policy experience.
Carter - no foreign policy experience.
Reagan - no foreign policy experience.
GHWB - oodles of it from heading the CIA.
Clinton - no foreign policy experience.
GWB - no foreign policy experience.

It's ridiculous to consider it so important when there has been one president since Ike with any grooming at all in it - and he lasted one term.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[klingeme 1]

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Gee. It's Obama's job to fit in with the Clintons, eh? Here's some news - Obama won. It would be nice if Obama extended an olive branch and bow before you, but he won. It seems that it may be a better move to get in his graces, wouldn't it?

Hillary does not need Obama's supporters to vote for her anymore. I think Obama needs to kiss some ass to keep them from not voting, or even worse, voting for McCain

[lawrocket 3]

So are you saying that it is not a party of ideas, but instead a party of personality?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[happythoughts 0]

If there are two choices, we'll call them O and C.

If someone says that they will totally support O, then they will come out and say, "Everyone vote for O".
Straight and clear.

If someone has a history of being a duplicitous swine, then they will say, "Vote for whoever. Vote your conscience." It not saying to vote for C, it is saying that you don't have to vote for C (as was promised).

Just saying to vote for anyone... else, even if there is only one "else".

Not exactly, total support.

[klingeme 1]

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So are you saying that it is not a party of ideas, but instead a party of personality?

I wasn't speaking in riddles, I was stating a fact. For republicans, whoever wins the electorial college, wins the election. You can win by 1 electorial college vote and you still win.

For Democrats, it's not so simple. You can loose the "popular" vote, but wine and dine super delegates and still make it to the white house.

Make the democrats feel like a real "Party for the little guy" doesn't it? More like the party of the "Super Citizen".

[akarunway 1]

You've come a long way grasshopper. If you are the the person I think you are. Drove around looking for you ass after and out landing?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[lawrocket 3]

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put Hillary on-stage on Tuesday night, give her a nod for getting as much support as she did, she'll return the favor and release the delegates and we never have to hear from either of them again.

Dear Paul:

You were right. I was wrong. Hillary presided with grace and humility.

She referred to him as "Barack" - something that really sends a warm and personal message. And it lends sincerity.

I thought it was a good speech to unify the support.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Lucky... 0]

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Of course both parties are squabbling. Recall the efforts to make sure that McCain didn't get the votes.

The GOP has huge issues. But I think that the GOP has been fairly settled for the time being. There is no longer the "party leader" with the cult of personality. GWB - he's a lame duck who is trying to pass the torch to someone else. Gone are the days of Gingrich. There just isn't anyone else that strong in the GOP anymore.

The infighting is therefore not going to be that bad with the GOP. Who else is there?

I think Obama is a guy we can be proud of. I rather like that he isn't out there trying to convince people he's got oodles of foreign policy experience. Or that he's got oddles of domestic economic policy experience.

And that's honest. And smart.

Which presidents of the last 50 years had foreign policy experience? Ike did - the war type.
Kennedy didn't - and he played the game brilliantly (the Cuban Missile Crisis was a steely move that worked)
LBJ - had a lot of senatorial experience, and used that to thoroughly mismanage the war
Nixon - had foreign policy experience, and I think had a brilliant foreign policy legacy.
Ford - no real foreign policy experience.
Carter - no foreign policy experience.
Reagan - no foreign policy experience.
GHWB - oodles of it from heading the CIA.
Clinton - no foreign policy experience.
GWB - no foreign policy experience.

It's ridiculous to consider it so important when there has been one president since Ike with any grooming at all in it - and he lasted one term.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The GOP has huge issues. But I think that the GOP has been fairly settled for the time being. There is no longer the "party leader" with the cult of personality. GWB - he's a lame duck who is trying to pass the torch to someone else. Gone are the days of Gingrich. There just isn't anyone else that strong in the GOP anymore.


So they've all been tried, convicted and commuted (soon to be pardoned), but at least removed from the GOP? Or are they still tapping around in a restroom near you? The Republican protocol is still the same, just another Bush 95%er waiting to see ifhe can hit 15T on the debt before the end of his 1st term, so what are you saying? The mob has what appears to be most of its thugs either quit or run out of Dodge, but the protocol is as string as ever, just waiting for more, "strong" personalities to apply its BS and be/stay right where it is.

Hey LR, it matters not who runs right now for the Dems, this is Novenmebr 1976 comming up again, the GOP criminal scum has hit its level of intolerability and the people aren't asking what McCain is all about, they want to end the run of sameness and McCain represents that sameness.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The infighting is therefore not going to be that bad with the GOP. Who else is there?


The lockstepped GOP doesn't infight, quit the posturing.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's ridiculous to consider it so important when there has been one president since Ike with any grooming at all in it - and he lasted one term.


Exactly. It's like saying a football team doesn't have playoff experience, when the rules are exactly the same for the playoff as for regular season.