8 inmates escape from New Mexico jail

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Convicted murderer, others cut hole in roof; one escapee captured

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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stupid media....the convicted murderer is the one they have already caught...but headlines sell....

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The point is that putting someone in jail or prison doesn't mean they'll stay in jail or prison.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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county jail and prison are worlds apart

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The point is that putting someone in jail or prison doesn't mean they'll stay in jail or prison.

....and, therefore.......?

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The point is that putting someone in jail or prison doesn't mean they'll stay in jail or prison.

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EXCELLENT, man. I saw this in the paper, and came very near to clipping it to post about here, to make the exact point you just made.

Thank you!

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county jail and prison are worlds apart

We are told that we should not want execution for murderers -- that prison is adequate, from both a punishment perspective as well as a keeping-society-safe-from-them perspective.

This gives lie to the latter (and also, of course, the former) point.

And I don't give a shit if the guy escaped from captivity "only" because he was kept in a county jail and not a federal Supermax. The fucking authorities are supposed to make sure that WHEREVER they are keeping him, they are KEEPING him!

If they allowed him to escape because they failed to recognize how much of an escape risk he was, that's part of the problem with the ineptitude of the criminal confinement system, and all that really matters is that he escaped. If criminals escape confinement because the prison is not high-security enough, or because the system didn't make the correct decision about what kind of facility in which to house him, does that matter? It's still a sign that the system cannot truly "make sure" that these guys never "get back out onto the streets."

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AS I said before.. Given the resources.. I could build a prison that would be escape proof and there would be no risk to the guards.

It would cost less than what current prisons cost. Once they go in... they would not be coming out. There would be no exercise yards... there would be no need for any kind of group interaction, it would be solitary confinement and sound proof. Each cell would have its own commode and shower so there would be no need for them to come out. Food would be delivered and garbage collected..without the need for anyone to enter. If they wanted to live like pigs they could or they could keep the place clean as they want.

Hell I would even let them have cable... to aleviate the cruel and unusal pleas from the bleeding hearts.

Once someone demonstrates their inability to be PART of society... they need to be removed from the company of other human beings.

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AS I said before.. Given the resources.. I could build a prison that would be escape proof and there would be no risk to the guards.

I believe you. However, I doubt the lawyers (along with a few other people) would allow it ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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AS I said before.. Given the resources.. I could build a prison that would be escape proof and there would be no risk to the guards.

I really don't think it's hard to imagine such a place. It's making it a reality that's hard. Would the corrections officers unions let this happen, and put them out of jobs, without lobbying (i.e. paying off) legislators to keep from happening?

Would bleeding hearts allow for the idea that no longer would ANYONE get to go and visit these inmates, since there will be no guards escorting them to visitation?

Who's gonna pay to have a prison system to house 2 million prisoners each with his own plumbing?

The more I think about this, the more impossible it seems. You can NEVER quite make it so that people don't have to interact with the prisoners (and thus be 100% safe from them). Prisoner stuffs up his toilet: someone has to go in and fix it: someone has to interact with the prisoner while that happens.

How would the bleeding hearts handle it if we said we were not going to give medical attention to the prisoner who is faking a heart attack or epileptic seizure? You can't very well just say, "Fuck him!" -- although frankly I would love to. The bleeding hearts would not allow it.

Please address how you would handle these issues, if you wouldn't mind. I'm curious about how deeply you've thought about this concept, and whether you truly have all the bases covered or are only saying you do.

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There would be no exercise yards... there would be no need for any kind of group interaction, it would be solitary confinement and sound proof.

Why have we not been able to take away the exercise yards now?

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Once someone demonstrates their inability to be PART of society... they need to be removed from the company of other human beings.

I still say that the best way to do that is to remove the life from the prisoner. You can say that a society that does this degrades itself; I disagree, and believe that a society does this demonstrates a firm commitment to itself and its own well-being.

Those who depart from society by becoming criminals are no longer a part of the body that society needs to be protecting. At that point, they are the pathogen to which society must react and from which it must save itself. Antigens don't cordon off pathogens and keep them alive somewhere in the body for no good use; they destroy them.

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