TheAnvil 0 #26 August 25, 2008 Bwaaaaaahahahahahaaaaa! How nice. Your defense mechanism is still functioning nicely I see. I've read the Constitution several times, thank you, BTW. If you'd actually follow politics a bit more carefully, you'd know that Senators and Representatives have to put quite a lot of work getting a bill from genesis to law. Lots of leadership and organizational skills involved there. Getting a bill from proposal, through committees, markup, and the like IS quite an accomplishment. Face that fact - or don't face it and continue with your defense mechanism. A fact it doth remain. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #27 August 25, 2008 QuoteIf you'd actually follow politics a bit more carefully … That's laughable coming from you, Vinny. Absolutely laughable. Quoteyou'd know that Senators and Representatives have to put quite a lot of work getting a bill from genesis to law. Yes it does. I've never stated otherwise. QuoteLots of leadership and organizational skills involved there. Agreed. QuoteGetting a bill from proposal, through committees, markup, and the like IS quite an accomplishment. Agreed. A team accomplishment. One person doesn't do it all. QuoteFace that fact - or don't face it and continue with your defense mechanism. I recognize and argue the facts, Vinny. You're the one that appears to lack any grasp of political realities in the US. QuoteA fact it doth remain. It sure does, no matter how passionately you may argue to the contrary and no matter how many emoticons you insert into your posts. But feel free to offer some specific examples of individual accomplishments in Congress, accomplishments that required effort only on the part of a single person (and that person's staff, to make it easier for you, Vinny). I'm sure such individual accomplishments are not completely nonexistent, but they are fairly rare.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #28 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHere's one: He's got more GOP supporters circulating false smears about him on the internet than any other Senator in history. See Snopes for proof. The fact that he hasn't got a damned thing backing up his idiotic "Change!" zombie-mantra is not a "false smear." And I'm not a "GOP supporter," just someone who hates what the Democrats are trying to do to our once-great nation. How about the dozen or so that are very clearly false? False to the extent that it surprises me that anyone with an IQ above 80 would ever have believed them. Name say, 6 of them please. Here are a few http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ You'll find some way to squirm out of it I'm sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 August 25, 2008 Well, he says he voted against the war in Iraq. Of course, he wasn't even in Congress yet when that vote was taken. But that's what he says. And he's the messiah. So he can't be wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #30 August 25, 2008 You're always good for a laugh. Nice to see your defensive mechanism is alive and well. And it's laughable. Why don't you try something logical - like 'Senator Obama didn't serve enough time in the Senate to accomplish much compared to his more experienced colleagues' vice this inane argument you've concocted? Then again - don't. I always enjoy a a laugh - and laughs galore I get in here! You've yet to catch several other who have sent me into gales of laughter, but keep going and maybe you'll make me laugh as hard as they have in the past. Nobody's done that lately, come to think of it. I should come in here more often. I digress. Ignoring the fact that a bill's sponsor accomplishes something by getting a bill all the way through the House, Senate, and President is absolutely hilarious. As if all the other senators and representatives do the same amount of work to get it through. Think that it's not an accomplishment if it makes you feel better. I think that it IS an accomplishment because it's a pretty much cut and dried fact. This applies to any bill...let's pick one I DON'T like...McCain-Feingold for instance. Senators McCain and Feingold put TONS of work into this (along with their staffs...that should be obvious, but since you brought it up...) and...drumroll...accomplished something by getting it through. Tada! Lincoln said something cool about facts...I think it was something to the effect of 'facts are stubborn things. Run as one might from them, they remain the same.' Or something like that. Cheerio! I now you'll come up with some odd way of ignoring facts yet again. Try and be more creative and maybe you'll have me rolling on the floor. Until then, cheerio! Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #31 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHere's one: He's got more GOP supporters circulating false smears about him on the internet than any other Senator in history. See Snopes for proof. The fact that he hasn't got a damned thing backing up his idiotic "Change!" zombie-mantra is not a "false smear." And I'm not a "GOP supporter," just someone who hates what the Democrats are trying to do to our once-great nation. How about the dozen or so that are very clearly false? False to the extent that it surprises me that anyone with an IQ above 80 would ever have believed them. Name say, 6 of them please. It's a very funny request to give names to smears, but ok, here goes: I name them Marc Vinnie Bill Jeffrey Alberto Dubya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #32 August 25, 2008 That's 'Vinny' and not 'Vinnie' Since I'm a name for a smear, which one am I, precisely? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #33 August 25, 2008 QuoteYou're always good for a laugh. Nice to see your defensive mechanism is alive and well. And it's laughable. Why don't you try something logical - like 'Senator Obama didn't serve enough time in the Senate to accomplish much compared to his more experienced colleagues' vice this inane argument you've concocted? Then again - don't. I always enjoy a a laugh - and laughs galore I get in here! You've yet to catch several other who have sent me into gales of laughter, but keep going and maybe you'll make me laugh as hard as they have in the past. Nobody's done that lately, come to think of it. I should come in here more often. I digress. Ignoring the fact that a bill's sponsor accomplishes something by getting a bill all the way through the House, Senate, and President is absolutely hilarious. As if all the other senators and representatives do the same amount of work to get it through. Think that it's not an accomplishment if it makes you feel better. I think that it IS an accomplishment because it's a pretty much cut and dried fact. This applies to any bill...let's pick one I DON'T like...McCain-Feingold for instance. Senators McCain and Feingold put TONS of work into this (along with their staffs...that should be obvious, but since you brought it up...) and...drumroll...accomplished something by getting it through. Tada! Lincoln said something cool about facts...I think it was something to the effect of 'facts are stubborn things. Run as one might from them, they remain the same.' Or something like that. I see you were unable to offer any specific examples of accomplishments by individual Congressmen in the context of their roles as Congressmen. You should pay closer attention to Lincoln's words before you make such ironic posts.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #34 August 25, 2008 Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzFOOcEQtP0&NR=1 says it all But hes such a good speaker, dont that matter???http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU Ohh never mind that good speaker thing And for all the morons out there that use that as an argument for "that is why he should pres." Think about this" Hitler was a good speaker alsoNothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #35 August 25, 2008 And you should read a bit more carefully. Or did the names McCain and Feingold elude you? Oh! Wait! I SEE! Since they BOTH accomplished something, that doesn't do for you! Aha! Just can't let go of that mechanism, eh? So Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan never had any individual accomplishments while playing for the Bulls together years ago in your book, eh? BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA! Bullshit. Taft-Hartley, McCain-Feingold, Goldwater-Nichols, and many other acts highlight the accomplishments of the individuals who got them through the legislative process. Face facts - your theory has no water and is no more than a defensive mechanism to avoid facing facts. Let's go back a bit further and find an act named after one person...the Wagner Act. How about that one? Bwaaaahahahahahaaaaa!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #36 August 25, 2008 I heard he always washed his hands after using the restroom in the Russell Office Building...the few times he was there. That should count for something. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #37 August 25, 2008 Quote And you should read a bit more carefully. Or did the names McCain and Feingold elude you? What part of "individual congressmen" do you have trouble comprehending. Think (I know it's hard after drinking too much tequila) singular. You gave an example of team effort and accomplishment. Quote Oh! Wait! I SEE! Since they BOTH accomplished something, that doesn't do for you! Aha! Just can't let go of that mechanism, eh? No mechanism. I stand by my previous statements. Quote So Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan never had any individual accomplishments while playing for the Bulls together years ago in your book, eh? Virtually any team in the NBA could have beaten Jordan if he didn't have four other Bulls to share the responsibilities. It's what's known as a team, Vinny. Quote Taft-Hartley, McCain-Feingold, Goldwater-Nichols, and many other acts highlight the accomplishments of the individuals who got them through the legislative process. Singular, Vinny, singular. Quote Face facts - your theory has no water and is no more than a defensive mechanism to avoid facing facts. Yes, Vinny, facts are facts. When will you accept them? Quote Let's go back a bit further and find an act named after one person...the Wagner Act. How about that one? Do you really believe that it passed without any effort from other Congressmen? If so, then you're farther out of touch with reality than I previously thought.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #38 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow about the dozen or so that are very clearly false? False to the extent that it surprises me that anyone with an IQ above 80 would ever have believed them. Honestly, I'm not all that familiar with the so-called false smears that you're apparently talking about. Snopes has a list. A long list. I think I mentioned that already. Not that I'd expect you bother with facts. How is it that people give you a pass, but think of me as obnoxious? Look at the way you conduct yourself, and the things you say? I wasn't even fuckin' antagonizing you (or anyone) in this thread! Why don't you address what I said in my response, instead of just making implications and casting aspersions? I didn't cite any of the "false smears." Obama's hostility to gun rights is well-documented and irrefutable. His associations with the people I alluded to is likewise irrefutable. It's impossible for me to just accept his bullshit disavowals, especially when the more of his "supporters" who come out of the woodwork, the more machine-gun-like his disavowals seem to have to be.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #39 August 25, 2008 QuoteI'm not saying that Obama is a zealous advocate for personal freedoms and liberties. Thank god. For a long time, I've thought of you as a guy with a good, reasonable head on his shoulders, and if you'd said different, that would have been dashed. QuoteBut when asked for an accomplishment, I actually view it as one. Much like a blind squirrel stumbling on a nut, it may have been unintentinal, but it is an accomplishment nonetheless. Come on, dude, how can you be serious about that? Serving the "small-government" crowd inadvertently by failing to get much if any of his agenda accomplished really can't be considered an "accomplishment." Let's be real, here.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #40 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteName say, 6 of them please. Here are a few http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ You'll find some way to squirm out of it I'm sure. Why is it that with virtually every post, you Democrat supporters have to end with some snide, sneering jab? It is utterly without class. You couldn't just say, "Here are a few," huh?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #41 August 25, 2008 Quote Since I'm a name for a smear, which one am I, precisely? I CALL "OBAMA IS ANTI-SELF-DEFENSE!"[/I] [LAUGH]Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #42 August 25, 2008 Name one thread started by a Republican that talks about McCain's strengths as opposed to Obama's failings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #43 August 25, 2008 Is it a "smear" to point out Obama's lack of integrity when he swore up and down he was going to use the public campaign finance provision until he came to realize that the money would pour in if he went with private fundraising? He was not as good as his word. It's that simple. There are plenty of political cartoons that took up this particular issue, and they were all right on the money, so to speak.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #44 August 25, 2008 One of my favorites is the Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation, which was signed into Law by President Bush in early 2007. In addition to the US Senate legislation already noted, while in the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored or co-sponsored over 600 bills. The only time I’ve encountered someone refer to Sen Obama as saying he voted against the decision to go to war against Iraq was on this list. [surprise] or or ? Sen Obama has asserted that he would have voted against the resolution *if* he was in the Senate. One might also ask, what had Pres Reagan accomplished before he became President? And it would be very interesting to compare Sen Obama’s record to Sen McCain’s first session or even a prorated average. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #45 August 25, 2008 Bwaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!! Fact avoidance CONTINUES on your part. Now you've migrated from insisting on examples of legislators accomplishing something within the bounds of the Constitution (superb reading by the way) to going outside of its bounds! Quote Do you really believe that it passed without any effort from other Congressmen? No I don't, having read the Constitution (perhaps you should) - but I do believe Wagner accomplished a great bit in getting the legislation through. Just as McCain and Feingold did (INDIVIDUALLY as well as part of a team, I might add) and many other legislators who have accomplished such a feat. Perhaps you should read the Constitution so you understand a bit about how legislation is passed. This nonsense about Wagner going solo...tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk...not that operating within the bounds of the Constitution as written demeans his accomplishment in any way. But that's one of those pesky facts you aren't going to face today, isn't it? Perhaps you should examine the team concept as well. If you did so thoroughly and applied yoruself, you'll find virtually every team has standouts whose individual accomplishments contribute heavily to team success. Since you're on the team paradigm. Quite interesting to think about. Bwaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #46 August 25, 2008 QuoteBwaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!! Fact avoidance CONTINUES on your part. Now you've migrated from insisting on examples of legislators accomplishing something within the bounds of the Constitution (superb reading by the way How would you know?) to going outside of its bounds! I've maintained my original point, no changes or migrations. QuoteQuoteDo you really believe that it passed without any effort from other Congressmen? No I don't I rest my case. That is the only assertion I made. That is the only assertion I'm going to defend. Use your straw man tactics on someone else. QuoteThis nonsense about Wagner going solo...tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk...not that operating within the bounds of the Constitution as written demeans his accomplishment in any way. You're the one that tried to use it as Wagner as an example of an accomplishment by an individual rather than a group. QuoteBut that's one of those pesky facts you aren't going to face today, isn't it? 10/10 for irony, Vinny. QuotePerhaps you should examine the team concept as well. If you did so thoroughly and applied yoruself, you'll find virtually every team has standouts whose individual accomplishments contribute heavily to team success. Yep. Some teams have stars. Look at Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. But stars can't do it by themselves. Look at Barry Sanders and the Detroit Lions. Of course the sports analogy doesn't work well, because Congressmen don't get paid based on how many bills they wrote last season.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #47 August 25, 2008 Again you avoid facts. When ARE you going to face them? Fact: Senators and Representatives can and do accomplish many things individually. I've given you MANY examples of fine statesmen who have accomplished quite a bit. When you've faced up to those and would like more, come see me. Deal with it. And please DO read the Constitution...superb reading. You might learn a thing or two if you apply yourself. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #48 August 25, 2008 QuoteI've given you MANY examples of fine statesmen who have accomplished quite a bit. Yes, Vinny, you have. However, none have been accomplishments by individuals. They have been accomplishments of groups. The sooner you can acknowledge that fact, the better off you'll be. QuoteAnd please DO read the Constitution...superb reading. I read it at least twice a year, usually more, every year for the past two decades or longer. Maybe you should try reading the unabridged version yourself. QuoteYou might learn a thing or two if you apply yourself. Another 10/10 for irony, Vinny.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #49 August 25, 2008 Quote Well, he says he voted against the war in Iraq. Of course, he wasn't even in Congress yet when that vote was taken. But that's what he says. And he's the messiah. So he can't be wrong. Snopes isn't as entertaining as Rush Limbaugh, but it's more factual. Here's what it has to say about that: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp Falsehood: # I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN. Truth: Senator Obama expressed opposition to the war in Iraq well before he gained a seat in the U.S. Senate in 2004. (The vote that authorized U.S. military action in Iraq was held in 2002.) He has since voted in the Senate to authorize funding for that war, for reasons he defended in a February 2008 Democratic debate: The two Democrats exchanged pointed words over each other's records on the war in Iraq, which contrast sharply even as economic and domestic concerns become dominant in the race. Clinton voted in 2002 to authorize the invasion, which Obama opposed from the start. After Obama again touted a high-profile antiwar speech he gave in Chicago before the war, Clinton pointed out that he, like her, had subsequently voted for war funding, and that their records on Iraq were similar since he came to the Senate in 2005. "When it wasn't just a speech, but it was actually action, where is the difference?" she said. "Where is the comparison that would in some way give a real credibility to the speech that he gave against the war?" Obama shot back: "Once we had driven the bus into the ditch, there were only so many ways we could get out."Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #50 August 25, 2008 incorrect yet again! My, but aren't you adept at avoiding facts? The fact that congressmen and women can and do accomplish things just has you all in a tither! Bwaaaaahahahahaaaaa! I've given you several examples already of INDIVIDUALs who have accomplished quite a bit within the bounds of their congressional offices. Face facts - you're wrong. Your defensive mechanism just doesn't stand up to even modest scrutiny. The next time you read the Constitution, go a bit slower - you'll pick up more. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
