birdlike 0 #101 August 24, 2008 Quote Quote tongue in cheek question, tongue in cheek answer - get off the constant fucking bashing for once and grow a sense of humor. You didn't write anything funny Here's some LOGIC for you (see if you can follow it): Since you have no sense of humor, as accused, everything he says, even if funny, will be called un-funny by you.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #102 August 24, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Someone needs to take this young man and sit him down and talk to him. He needs to understand what he did is wrong and not acceptable. He needs to have the consequences of his action explained to him, and he needs love and acceptance to be able to reintegrate into society. I wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that he was most likely abused as a child and so is in fact a victim himself. I think that with time hard work counsiling and love he could once again become a member of society and truely repent for the crimes he committed in his pain....Actually I'd much rather shoot him. Stay on topic. This thread isn't about birdlike. THAT was funny. The really funny thing is how badly you have misconstrued the intent of that original post! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #103 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuote OK, so you just single-handedly insisted that no court EVER admit photographic or video evidence EVER AGAIN, I guess. The court, unlike you, does not base their verdict on videotape. No, true, it will use a congomeration of that, and witness statements (which can be lies, or mistakes); fingerprint and DNA analysis (which can be faked or mistaken); confessions (which can be coerced)... Why is any of this better than videotape, anyway? It's probably easier to get false testimony out of someone (including cops and expert witnesses, who are PAID by one side in the prosecution), than it is to make a convincing fake videotape.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #104 August 24, 2008 Quote Quote Joseph Edward Duncan III Only in America plebs put numbers after their nameWTF is with that? Is it better to live in a country with overt recognition of who is a "pleb" and who is a "patrician"? Maybe you'd prefer to replace the "land of opportunity" with "stay in your fuckin' CASTE!" as the motto of the U.S.? The fact that you condescend to people as though you have the standing to call them "pleb" says a lot about you.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #105 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNice to misstate the facts. I "know" that a FAIR TRIAL FOUND HIM GUILTY. Whether he got a phone call to a consulate would have been immaterial, and you know it. I didn't say a fucking thing about "skipping due process," but yeah, I did say "fuck the treaty obligation" -- but those are two entirely separate things. He GOT his fucking due process. Stop twisting things. Remember, the fewer distortions you make, the easier it will be for you to keep track of what you've said. Apparently you just don't understand the concept of "due process". I would have thought that you, in your vaunted erudition, would have volunteered up an explanation right here. I get a little verbose, yeah, but at least I explain my positions and fully explicate my points. You, instead, do these hit-and-runs, claiming that others simply don't rise to your enlightened level of understanding, but never explaining where they're wrong or you're right. That leads me (and I'm sure others) to conclude that YOU don't have the facts, either. Otherwise, why withhold them. Since you're so smart and in possession of all facts, please tell us all how denying someone rights provided by the US Constitution does not violate that person's right to "due process". Just to jog your memory, here's an excerpt from Article VI: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #106 August 24, 2008 I guess I simply don't mind so much when a treaty obligation, which was not written as part of our Constitution itself, was not followed through on, especially when I have every confidence that the person who was convicted is sure to be the one who did the crime. Lots of appeals are denied because a court finds that the issue under appeal would not have and could not have changed the outcome of the trial. If any such case exists, surely it is this one. Would I prefer it if this T had been crossed and this I dotted, so that the anti-executionists would be force to either shut the fuck up or parade their sympathy and compassion for a vicious rapist/murderer publicly? Of course. I'd prefer that the case had been airtight and unassailable, which right now it isn't. But I'm still not altogether dissatisfied. I'm rather glad the guy had to lie on the gurney and let them stick the needle in (I'm talking about that mexican piece of shit from the other thread, to which you're referring) knowing that not only had he been convicted, and probably he believes God's gonna condemn him to hell, but he also didn't get all the "right" to which he was "entitled." I hope they make fun of him about that in hell, and constantly remind him of it.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #107 August 24, 2008 Quote No, true, it will use a congomeration of that, and witness statements (which can be lies, or mistakes); And the court estimates the weight of each witness, and it is almost never the same for all the witnesses. Quote fingerprint and DNA analysis (which can be faked or mistaken); It is very hard to fake the fingerprints so the expert would not find it. Faking DNA evidence - well, you could try. Quote Why is any of this better than videotape, anyway? It's probably easier to get false testimony out of someone (including cops and expert witnesses, who are PAID by one side in the prosecution), than it is to make a convincing fake videotape. Someone giving false testimony is risking heavy penalties. The tape is not risking anything, and someone who made such tape by request (not knowing it supposed to be used to falsify evidence) is probably not risking anything either.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #108 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuote No, true, it will use a congomeration of that, and witness statements (which can be lies, or mistakes); And the court estimates the weight of each witness, and it is almost never the same for all the witnesses. Quote fingerprint and DNA analysis (which can be faked or mistaken); It is very hard to fake the fingerprints so the expert would not find it. Faking DNA evidence - well, you could try. Should I just pretend that you did not completely ignore the part about "OR MISTAKEN"? Why would you address only HALF of what I said? We've had all kinds of allegations slung around in this and the other death penalty thread about cops and prosecutors who did crooked things, frameups, dispensing with exculpatory evidence, etc. etc. which amounts to FAKING evidence. And we've had plenty of talk of cops COVERING UP THEIR SCREWUPS. Yet you decided to ignore that aspect of what I wrote. I guess you got nothin', but rather than just say so, you wanted to let it slide and hope we didn't notice. Sorry, I notice. QuoteQuote Why is any of this better than videotape, anyway? It's probably easier to get false testimony out of someone (including cops and expert witnesses, who are PAID by one side in the prosecution), than it is to make a convincing fake videotape. Someone giving false testimony is risking heavy penalties. And yet, we know that they do it all the time. For that matter, someone murdering someone is risking heavy penalties. And yet, we know that they do it all the time. You act as though the existence of heavy would-be penalties should be taken as an assurance by us that these things will never be done.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #109 August 24, 2008 QuoteFaking DNA evidence - well, you could try. Google Josiah Sutton and Lozaro Sotolusson. NO evidentiary method is completely infallible - this cuts both way in CP cases, obviously. Counselors - can any of you comment on the availability (for lack of a better description) of appeals for life (or x-to-life) sentences vs. death sentences?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #110 August 24, 2008 Quote Should I just pretend that you did not completely ignore the part about "OR MISTAKEN"? Why would you address only HALF of what I said? Because you didn't pay me by hour; thus I reserve the right to NOT go through everything you wrote, collect the various statements, and address them all. Might I, please? :P Quote And yet, we know that they do it all the time. Who are those "we", who know that they do it all the time? Or you just meant yourself as "We, the Emperor"? Could I ask you how many cases you personally investigated to come to such conclusion? Quote For that matter, someone murdering someone is risking heavy penalties. And yet, we know that they do it all the time. Those who murder someone are usually getting some personal gain out of it - which makes it worth the risk. If the witness could gain something serious if he lies, I'd very carefully consider his testimony as well.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #111 August 24, 2008 QuoteWhat these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. It is not beyond mine.. and that is one of the reasons I want the people who do these crimes against children to spend a LIFETIME put away like the animals they are. To relieve them from that by killing them as quickly as they did to Timothy McVeigh to relieve his conscience and so he would NOT have to live as a caged animal for the rest of his life. Killing them as Jeffrey and the other "compassionate conservatives" want to do is unacceptable in a supposedly modern society. All the pro death people should face up to THEIR resopnsibility.. if they want that blood lust so badly.. they should be doing it themselves.. All death penalty supporters should be put into a death pool so they can be executioners just like jury duty. The consequences of that can be on THEIR minds for the rest of THEIR lives. You should have to declare your desire to kill your fellow Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #112 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuote Should I just pretend that you did not completely ignore the part about "OR MISTAKEN"? Why would you address only HALF of what I said? Because you didn't pay me by hour; thus I reserve the right to NOT go through everything you wrote, collect the various statements, and address them all. Might I, please? :P Smartass answer. You simply come off as unwilling or unable to address the hard parts of what I said. With the stark contrast between what you did address and what you didn't address, it sure looks like you are willing to give answers even though I'm not paying you; but unwilling to even mention the parts you have no good counter for. That's all I'm sayin'. Quote And yet, we know that they do it all the time. Who are those "we", who know that they do it all the time? Or you just meant yourself as "We, the Emperor"? Could I ask you how many cases you personally investigated to come to such conclusion?Quote Sure you can ask. Yeah, I'm the Emperor. What I say, goes. WE know that people (cops, civilians, "expert witnesses") have faked their testimony plenty. There are people in jail for perjury, are there not? And since I know this, all of my people in the Empire know this. QuoteQuoteFor that matter, someone murdering someone is risking heavy penalties. And yet, we know that they do it all the time. Those who murder someone are usually getting some personal gain out of it - which makes it worth the risk. If the witness could gain something serious if he lies, I'd very carefully consider his testimony as well. People who are called as "expert witnesses" by a defense team are PAID, and guess what, no defense team is ever going to put an "expert witness" on the stand, and pay him their client's money, to have him say stuff that damns their client. SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN BY LYING, BUT EVERY COURT ALLOWS EXPERT WITNESSES. You raised the notion that people will avoid doing things if they could face heavy penalties. I showed you something that carries a heavy penalty that we, the Emperor, know that people do every single day. Who are you to say that in order to get a conviction, a cop won't lie on the stand, or cover up evidence that would show he acted wrongly in the apprehension of a suspect, or the obtaining of prosecutorial evidence? I would call that "gaining" on the cop's behalf. So yeah, we know that they have done that in the past, and continue to. If you didn't believe that they do, would you oppose capital punishment because of the potential for executing an innocent? If there is no chance that anyone would falsify anything for the court, that would seriously diminish the chances of achieving a wrongful conviction.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #113 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhat these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. It is not beyond mine.. and that is one of the reasons I want the people who do these crimes against children to spend a LIFETIME put away like the animals they are. To relieve them from that by killing them as quickly as they did to Timothy McVeigh to relieve his conscience and so he would NOT have to live as a caged animal for the rest of his life. Killing them as Jeffrey and the other "compassionate conservatives" want to do is unacceptable in a supposedly modern society. All the pro death people should face up to THEIR resopnsibility.. if they want that blood lust so badly.. they should be doing it themselves.. All death penalty supporters should be put into a death pool so they can be executioners just like jury duty. The consequences of that can be on THEIR minds for the rest of THEIR lives. You should have to declare your desire to kill your fellow Americans. So by YOUR logic, there should be pools of pregnant women doing abortions on each other. GREAT idea, there.... but illustrative of the logic used.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #114 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhat these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. It is not beyond mine.. and that is one of the reasons I want the people who do these crimes against children to spend a LIFETIME put away like the animals they are. To relieve them from that by killing them as quickly as they did to Timothy McVeigh to relieve his conscience and so he would NOT have to live as a caged animal for the rest of his life. Killing them as Jeffrey and the other "compassionate conservatives" want to do is unacceptable in a supposedly modern society. I thought others had addressed this, already. YOU are here saying that the reason you want them to do life in prison is because it's hellish, and punitive, and makes them suffer. And then you say that we want something "unacceptable" when we want them to have a swift death? You're saying you want to take murderers and make them live like "caged animals" (so you dehumanize them, too!) for a long time, and yet you accuse US of bloodlust? QuoteAll the pro death people should face up to THEIR resopnsibility.. if they want that blood lust so badly.. they should be doing it themselves.. All death penalty supporters should be put into a death pool so they can be executioners just like jury duty. Don't think for a minute that I would not be up for that. Meanwhile, all life-in-prison supporters should have to act as prison guards in top-security pens where the worst of the worst, the most vicious and violent, are housed in concentration. If you think it's so great that we keep them alive to suffer, go be the one to make sure they don't get out. Go risk being sliced open like a fish with a homemade knife. Go have blood, saliva, semen, urine and feces thrown at you. QuoteThe consequences of that can be on THEIR minds for the rest of THEIR lives. You should have to declare your desire to kill your fellow Americans. The only Americans I consider "my fellow" Americans are those who, like me, abide by the law and live peaceable lives. If you're a murderer, you're not my "fellow American," and I would have no trouble conducting your execution.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #115 August 24, 2008 QuoteSo by YOUR logic, there should be pools of pregnant women doing abortions on each other. GREAT idea, there.... but illustrative of the logic used. I love guys like you that do not understand human biology....do you have a clue how many women get pregnant and the cells do not develop right and spontaneously abort.. or miscarry?? You bemoan a womans right to choose to bring a child into this world. IT seems like some men want to FORCE any birtch they can get pregnant by any means to have that child to keep your genes in the gene pool. I would think that was a means of propagating the species that died out after the last ice age.. but I guess not. There is a vast difference in the cells that make up what MAY become a human being.. and your desire to KILL live adult human beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #116 August 24, 2008 QuoteThe only Americans I consider "my fellow" Americans are those who, like me, abide by the law and live peaceable lives. If you're a murderer, you're not my "fellow American," and I would have no trouble conducting your execution. Such a shining example of Modern American Manhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #117 August 24, 2008 Quote Smartass answer. You simply come off as unwilling or unable to address the hard parts of what I said. With the stark contrast between what you did address and what you didn't address, it sure looks like you are willing to give answers even though I'm not paying you; but unwilling to even mention the parts you have no good counter for. You probably will be surprised, but anyone has their own preferences, and topics to discuss. People discuss things which are interesting to them, and ignoring the things which are not. If it hurts your feelings - I'm sorry, but life is tough. If it makes you feel better, just tell yourself your opponent is just a sissy who cannot admit he was crushed by your steel logic and mighty arguments. As you see, I'm not even interested to discuss the death penalty itself. Quote Sure you can ask. Yeah, I'm the Emperor. What I say, goes. WE know that people (cops, civilians, "expert witnesses") have faked their testimony plenty. There are people in jail for perjury, are there not? And since I know this, all of my people in the Empire know this. Well, since you and the ones you include in "we" know that, why are you asking me? I don't know that; you're asking a wrong person. Quote People who are called as "expert witnesses" by a defense team are PAID, and guess what, no defense team is ever going to put an "expert witness" on the stand, and pay him their client's money, to have him say stuff that damns their client. SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN BY LYING, BUT EVERY COURT ALLOWS EXPERT WITNESSES. So what? Quote You raised the notion that people will avoid doing things if they could face heavy penalties. I did not. I just pointed out that producing a fake videotape is easier and more reliable than asking someone to perjury. Never I said people will avoid doing things if they could face heavy penalties. You're arguing with yourself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #118 August 24, 2008 Quote IT seems like some men want to FORCE any birtch they can get pregnant by any means to have that child to keep your genes in the gene pool. I would think that was a means of propagating the species that died out after the last ice age.. but I guess not. So we don't know jack shit about physiology, and you don't know jack shit about psychology. Wow, if you believe what you just wrote... I mean, wow! Quote There is a vast difference in the cells that make up what MAY become a human being.. and your desire to KILL live adult human beings. Wait, wait, you were just calling them ANIMALS! ANIMALS that you wanted kept in CAGES under CRUEL CONDITIONS! Now when we want to KILL them, suddenly the're "live adult human beings." It really seems like every time you post, you indict yourself with your own self-contradiction. When it suits you, you say one thing. When it suits you, you say its opposite. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #119 August 24, 2008 Quote Such a shining example of Modern American Manhood. You don't even begin to know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #120 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuote Smartass answer. You simply come off as unwilling or unable to address the hard parts of what I said. With the stark contrast between what you did address and what you didn't address, it sure looks like you are willing to give answers even though I'm not paying you; but unwilling to even mention the parts you have no good counter for. You probably will be surprised, but anyone has their own preferences, and topics to discuss. People discuss things which are interesting to them, and ignoring the things which are not. If it hurts your feelings - I'm sorry, but life is tough. If it makes you feel better, just tell yourself your opponent is just a sissy who cannot admit he was crushed by your steel logic and mighty arguments. I don't have to "tell myself" anything. That's exactly what would have been obvious to anyone who was reading this when you ducked half of what I said, and then claimed that it was because I wasn't paying you to talk about it. What that fails to account for is why you addressed the first half. Now you say it was about preferences... OK, whateverrrr. QuoteQuote People who are called as "expert witnesses" by a defense team are PAID, and guess what, no defense team is ever going to put an "expert witness" on the stand, and pay him their client's money, to have him say stuff that damns their client. SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN BY LYING, BUT EVERY COURT ALLOWS EXPERT WITNESSES. So what? So, you at first tried to discount that anyone would falsify stuff in court because they have nothing to gain, the way someone might if they murdered someone else for profit. I showed that sometimes it's a cop who "gains" the covering-up of stuff he did wrong during the arrest or investigation of a criminal. Or it's the PAID expert witness, who would not be paid if he were not willing to say what the defense wants him to say.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #121 August 24, 2008 IT suits me to point out that you can murder... no matter HOW you want to dress that up in doing it for society. IT suits me to NOT murder other human beings..and to keep them someplace where they can never harm anyone again. I could certainly design a place that would do that... unlike your example of putting untrained people in as prison guards.. to have them murdered.... seems you LIKE all that killing Jeffrey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #122 August 24, 2008 Quote Google Josiah Sutton and Lozaro Sotolusson. Googled. In neither case the DNA evidence was faked. The first one was defective lab doing poor work, the second one was clerical mistake.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #123 August 24, 2008 Quote I don't have to "tell myself" anything. That's exactly what would have been obvious to anyone who was reading this when you ducked half of what I said, and then claimed that it was because I wasn't paying you to talk about it. Ok, so it should be obvious to anyone. May I suggest you make it your signature? Quote What that fails to account for is why you addressed the first half. Now you say it was about preferences... OK, whateverrrr. I already told you why - because I was devastated by your logical thinking, but I'm a sissy and cannot admit in public your intellectual superiority over me. But it should be obvious to anyone anyway. Quote So, you at first tried to discount that anyone would falsify stuff in court because they have nothing to gain, the way someone might if they murdered someone else for profit. Well, if you read it again, it might make sense to continue this discussion. But not before. I'll let you continue arguing with yourself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #124 August 24, 2008 QuoteIT suits me to point out that you can murder... no matter HOW you want to dress that up in doing it for society. IT suits me to NOT murder other human beings..and to keep them someplace where they can never harm anyone again. Except for the prison guards, which you have indicated by your silence on the subject that you are not willing to be. Are you big enough to admit that you referred to them flippantly as "animals," but when I said I would execute (not murder, execute) them, suddenly they metamorphosized back into "humans"? QuoteI could certainly design a place that would do that... unlike your example of putting untrained people in as prison guards.. to have them murdered.... seems you LIKE all that killing Jeffrey. I never said you would have to go in untrained. If you want training, we'll get you training. But bear in mind, it's trained, tough-guy prison guards (admittedly a LOT tougher than I am) who get severely maimed and even killed by these people. Do you think that although they could create prisons that would make that IMPOSSIBLE, they just, for some reason, don't want to, so they don't?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #125 August 24, 2008 QuoteAre you big enough to admit that you referred to them flippantly as "animals," but when I said I would execute (not murder, execute) them, suddenly they metamorphosized back into "humans"? Pssst Human beings ARE animals..... some are just closer to their animalistic nature than others.. right Jeffrey??? I think when one of them exibits his inability to live with other human beings... then they need to be removed from the comany of other human beings. Being an animal and killing them make you less of a human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 5 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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mnealtx 0 #113 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhat these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. It is not beyond mine.. and that is one of the reasons I want the people who do these crimes against children to spend a LIFETIME put away like the animals they are. To relieve them from that by killing them as quickly as they did to Timothy McVeigh to relieve his conscience and so he would NOT have to live as a caged animal for the rest of his life. Killing them as Jeffrey and the other "compassionate conservatives" want to do is unacceptable in a supposedly modern society. All the pro death people should face up to THEIR resopnsibility.. if they want that blood lust so badly.. they should be doing it themselves.. All death penalty supporters should be put into a death pool so they can be executioners just like jury duty. The consequences of that can be on THEIR minds for the rest of THEIR lives. You should have to declare your desire to kill your fellow Americans. So by YOUR logic, there should be pools of pregnant women doing abortions on each other. GREAT idea, there.... but illustrative of the logic used.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #114 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhat these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. It is not beyond mine.. and that is one of the reasons I want the people who do these crimes against children to spend a LIFETIME put away like the animals they are. To relieve them from that by killing them as quickly as they did to Timothy McVeigh to relieve his conscience and so he would NOT have to live as a caged animal for the rest of his life. Killing them as Jeffrey and the other "compassionate conservatives" want to do is unacceptable in a supposedly modern society. I thought others had addressed this, already. YOU are here saying that the reason you want them to do life in prison is because it's hellish, and punitive, and makes them suffer. And then you say that we want something "unacceptable" when we want them to have a swift death? You're saying you want to take murderers and make them live like "caged animals" (so you dehumanize them, too!) for a long time, and yet you accuse US of bloodlust? QuoteAll the pro death people should face up to THEIR resopnsibility.. if they want that blood lust so badly.. they should be doing it themselves.. All death penalty supporters should be put into a death pool so they can be executioners just like jury duty. Don't think for a minute that I would not be up for that. Meanwhile, all life-in-prison supporters should have to act as prison guards in top-security pens where the worst of the worst, the most vicious and violent, are housed in concentration. If you think it's so great that we keep them alive to suffer, go be the one to make sure they don't get out. Go risk being sliced open like a fish with a homemade knife. Go have blood, saliva, semen, urine and feces thrown at you. QuoteThe consequences of that can be on THEIR minds for the rest of THEIR lives. You should have to declare your desire to kill your fellow Americans. The only Americans I consider "my fellow" Americans are those who, like me, abide by the law and live peaceable lives. If you're a murderer, you're not my "fellow American," and I would have no trouble conducting your execution.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #115 August 24, 2008 QuoteSo by YOUR logic, there should be pools of pregnant women doing abortions on each other. GREAT idea, there.... but illustrative of the logic used. I love guys like you that do not understand human biology....do you have a clue how many women get pregnant and the cells do not develop right and spontaneously abort.. or miscarry?? You bemoan a womans right to choose to bring a child into this world. IT seems like some men want to FORCE any birtch they can get pregnant by any means to have that child to keep your genes in the gene pool. I would think that was a means of propagating the species that died out after the last ice age.. but I guess not. There is a vast difference in the cells that make up what MAY become a human being.. and your desire to KILL live adult human beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #116 August 24, 2008 QuoteThe only Americans I consider "my fellow" Americans are those who, like me, abide by the law and live peaceable lives. If you're a murderer, you're not my "fellow American," and I would have no trouble conducting your execution. Such a shining example of Modern American Manhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #117 August 24, 2008 Quote Smartass answer. You simply come off as unwilling or unable to address the hard parts of what I said. With the stark contrast between what you did address and what you didn't address, it sure looks like you are willing to give answers even though I'm not paying you; but unwilling to even mention the parts you have no good counter for. You probably will be surprised, but anyone has their own preferences, and topics to discuss. People discuss things which are interesting to them, and ignoring the things which are not. If it hurts your feelings - I'm sorry, but life is tough. If it makes you feel better, just tell yourself your opponent is just a sissy who cannot admit he was crushed by your steel logic and mighty arguments. As you see, I'm not even interested to discuss the death penalty itself. Quote Sure you can ask. Yeah, I'm the Emperor. What I say, goes. WE know that people (cops, civilians, "expert witnesses") have faked their testimony plenty. There are people in jail for perjury, are there not? And since I know this, all of my people in the Empire know this. Well, since you and the ones you include in "we" know that, why are you asking me? I don't know that; you're asking a wrong person. Quote People who are called as "expert witnesses" by a defense team are PAID, and guess what, no defense team is ever going to put an "expert witness" on the stand, and pay him their client's money, to have him say stuff that damns their client. SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN BY LYING, BUT EVERY COURT ALLOWS EXPERT WITNESSES. So what? Quote You raised the notion that people will avoid doing things if they could face heavy penalties. I did not. I just pointed out that producing a fake videotape is easier and more reliable than asking someone to perjury. Never I said people will avoid doing things if they could face heavy penalties. You're arguing with yourself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #118 August 24, 2008 Quote IT seems like some men want to FORCE any birtch they can get pregnant by any means to have that child to keep your genes in the gene pool. I would think that was a means of propagating the species that died out after the last ice age.. but I guess not. So we don't know jack shit about physiology, and you don't know jack shit about psychology. Wow, if you believe what you just wrote... I mean, wow! Quote There is a vast difference in the cells that make up what MAY become a human being.. and your desire to KILL live adult human beings. Wait, wait, you were just calling them ANIMALS! ANIMALS that you wanted kept in CAGES under CRUEL CONDITIONS! Now when we want to KILL them, suddenly the're "live adult human beings." It really seems like every time you post, you indict yourself with your own self-contradiction. When it suits you, you say one thing. When it suits you, you say its opposite. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #119 August 24, 2008 Quote Such a shining example of Modern American Manhood. You don't even begin to know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #120 August 24, 2008 QuoteQuote Smartass answer. You simply come off as unwilling or unable to address the hard parts of what I said. With the stark contrast between what you did address and what you didn't address, it sure looks like you are willing to give answers even though I'm not paying you; but unwilling to even mention the parts you have no good counter for. You probably will be surprised, but anyone has their own preferences, and topics to discuss. People discuss things which are interesting to them, and ignoring the things which are not. If it hurts your feelings - I'm sorry, but life is tough. If it makes you feel better, just tell yourself your opponent is just a sissy who cannot admit he was crushed by your steel logic and mighty arguments. I don't have to "tell myself" anything. That's exactly what would have been obvious to anyone who was reading this when you ducked half of what I said, and then claimed that it was because I wasn't paying you to talk about it. What that fails to account for is why you addressed the first half. Now you say it was about preferences... OK, whateverrrr. QuoteQuote People who are called as "expert witnesses" by a defense team are PAID, and guess what, no defense team is ever going to put an "expert witness" on the stand, and pay him their client's money, to have him say stuff that damns their client. SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO GAIN BY LYING, BUT EVERY COURT ALLOWS EXPERT WITNESSES. So what? So, you at first tried to discount that anyone would falsify stuff in court because they have nothing to gain, the way someone might if they murdered someone else for profit. I showed that sometimes it's a cop who "gains" the covering-up of stuff he did wrong during the arrest or investigation of a criminal. Or it's the PAID expert witness, who would not be paid if he were not willing to say what the defense wants him to say.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #121 August 24, 2008 IT suits me to point out that you can murder... no matter HOW you want to dress that up in doing it for society. IT suits me to NOT murder other human beings..and to keep them someplace where they can never harm anyone again. I could certainly design a place that would do that... unlike your example of putting untrained people in as prison guards.. to have them murdered.... seems you LIKE all that killing Jeffrey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #122 August 24, 2008 Quote Google Josiah Sutton and Lozaro Sotolusson. Googled. In neither case the DNA evidence was faked. The first one was defective lab doing poor work, the second one was clerical mistake.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #123 August 24, 2008 Quote I don't have to "tell myself" anything. That's exactly what would have been obvious to anyone who was reading this when you ducked half of what I said, and then claimed that it was because I wasn't paying you to talk about it. Ok, so it should be obvious to anyone. May I suggest you make it your signature? Quote What that fails to account for is why you addressed the first half. Now you say it was about preferences... OK, whateverrrr. I already told you why - because I was devastated by your logical thinking, but I'm a sissy and cannot admit in public your intellectual superiority over me. But it should be obvious to anyone anyway. Quote So, you at first tried to discount that anyone would falsify stuff in court because they have nothing to gain, the way someone might if they murdered someone else for profit. Well, if you read it again, it might make sense to continue this discussion. But not before. I'll let you continue arguing with yourself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #124 August 24, 2008 QuoteIT suits me to point out that you can murder... no matter HOW you want to dress that up in doing it for society. IT suits me to NOT murder other human beings..and to keep them someplace where they can never harm anyone again. Except for the prison guards, which you have indicated by your silence on the subject that you are not willing to be. Are you big enough to admit that you referred to them flippantly as "animals," but when I said I would execute (not murder, execute) them, suddenly they metamorphosized back into "humans"? QuoteI could certainly design a place that would do that... unlike your example of putting untrained people in as prison guards.. to have them murdered.... seems you LIKE all that killing Jeffrey. I never said you would have to go in untrained. If you want training, we'll get you training. But bear in mind, it's trained, tough-guy prison guards (admittedly a LOT tougher than I am) who get severely maimed and even killed by these people. Do you think that although they could create prisons that would make that IMPOSSIBLE, they just, for some reason, don't want to, so they don't?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #125 August 24, 2008 QuoteAre you big enough to admit that you referred to them flippantly as "animals," but when I said I would execute (not murder, execute) them, suddenly they metamorphosized back into "humans"? Pssst Human beings ARE animals..... some are just closer to their animalistic nature than others.. right Jeffrey??? I think when one of them exibits his inability to live with other human beings... then they need to be removed from the comany of other human beings. Being an animal and killing them make you less of a human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
