I'd like to hear the naysayers explain why this piece of shit shouldn't fry

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I have been there already... I would love to show some people how its REALLY done.

So, you harbor deep desires to torture human beings.

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I don't want to kill people, I want to execute convicted criminals

More fucking doublespeak.. if you want to EXECUTE anyone..... then you want to KILL..

Then draw a distinction between "kill justifiably and with society's sanction," and "kill indiscriminately."

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Personally I dont want it done in my name....
I guess your bloddliust milage varies.. to the side of being a barbarian.

No, but you'd like to show some people how torture is done, personally. That's so much better.

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for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

Then you should confine your anti-death penalty talk those marginal cases only, and acknowledge the validity of the death penalty for the obvious cases.

But instead, you want to treat everyone as if they're potentially innocent, even the obvious cases where they're not. And that's where you lose credibility with me.

Another one who thinks the penalty for a crime should depend on the quality of the evidence. Must be a Texas thing. What a bloodthirsty bunch you are down there.

Kallend, it's your side that keeps insisting that even after our best efforts at getting at the truth (via our courts) have done what they can, we cannot put enough faith in them to actually carry out a punishment with confidence. YOU are the one who wants the severity of the crime to be determined by the quality of the evidence.

The proof is that you will never grant that the evidence is good enough to support a death sentence.

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it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

No. Wrong. We ARE sure he did it, BECAUSE due process made such a finding.

When did anyone here ever say that we did not have to have a trial just because someone was seen committing a torture-murder on a video he made himself? We STILL insist on a trial, a jury, evidence, etc., even with that kind of certainty.

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This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

For just around $5,000 and your good photo you'll get video showing _you_ doing something even worse...

OK, so you just single-handedly insisted that no court EVER admit photographic or video evidence EVER AGAIN, I guess. You must have just finished watching "Rising Sun" again.

You know, a Jib-Jab-lookin' video is not going to convince anyone.

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You want to 'fry a peice of shit'? How revolting. Eeewww...

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You want to 'fry a peice of shit'? How revolting. Eeewww...

I worked my way to it by eating fried worms.

(Got me a minibike out of the deal, though!)

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it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

No. Wrong. We ARE sure he did it, BECAUSE due process made such a finding.

When did anyone here ever say that we did not have to have a trial just because someone was seen committing a torture-murder on a video he made himself? We STILL insist on a trial, a jury, evidence, etc., even with that kind of certainty.

Just last week you were willing to skip treaty obligations for a foreign national...because you KNEW he was guilty, so skipping process was unimportant. "harmless error" as the upper courts like to say.

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Someone needs to take this young man and sit him down and talk to him. He needs to understand what he did is wrong and not acceptable. He needs to have the consequences of his action explained to him, and he needs love and acceptance to be able to reintegrate into society. I wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that he was most likely abused as a child and so is in fact a victim himself. I think that with time hard work counsiling and love he could once again become a member of society and truely repent for the crimes he committed in his pain....Actually I'd much rather shoot him.

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

Only in America plebs put numbers after their name

WTF is with that?

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it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

No. Wrong. We ARE sure he did it, BECAUSE due process made such a finding.

When did anyone here ever say that we did not have to have a trial just because someone was seen committing a torture-murder on a video he made himself? We STILL insist on a trial, a jury, evidence, etc., even with that kind of certainty.

Just last week you were willing to skip treaty obligations for a foreign national...because you KNEW he was guilty, so skipping process was unimportant. "harmless error" as the upper courts like to say.

Nice to misstate the facts. I "know" that a FAIR TRIAL FOUND HIM GUILTY. Whether he got a phone call to a consulate would have been immaterial, and you know it. I didn't say a fucking thing about "skipping due process," but yeah, I did say "fuck the treaty obligation" -- but those are two entirely separate things. He GOT his fucking due process. Stop twisting things. Remember, the fewer distortions you make, the easier it will be for you to keep track of what you've said.

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

Only in America plebs put numbers after their name

WTF is with that?

Hahaha - How's Napolean Bonaccord Smith III !?

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it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

No. Wrong. We ARE sure he did it, BECAUSE due process made such a finding.

When did anyone here ever say that we did not have to have a trial just because someone was seen committing a torture-murder on a video he made himself? We STILL insist on a trial, a jury, evidence, etc., even with that kind of certainty.

Just last week you were willing to skip treaty obligations for a foreign national...because you KNEW he was guilty, so skipping process was unimportant. "harmless error" as the upper courts like to say.

Nice to misstate the facts. I "know" that a FAIR TRIAL FOUND HIM GUILTY. Whether he got a phone call to a consulate would have been immaterial, and you know it. I didn't say a fucking thing about "skipping due process," but yeah, I did say "fuck the treaty obligation" -- but those are two entirely separate things. He GOT his fucking due process. Stop twisting things. Remember, the fewer distortions you make, the easier it will be for you to keep track of what you've said.

Apparently you just don't understand the concept of "due process".

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Only in America plebs put numbers after their name

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

Only in America plebs put numbers after their name

WTF is with that?

And your current monarch is Queen Elizabeth __ (fill in the blank)?

First it was statistics, then logic, now you're not an expert on sentence analysis either. Try re-reading it CAREFULLY.

And also think carefully about the difference between a name and a title.

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

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WTF is with that?

Hahaha - How's Napolean Bonaccord Smith III !?

or John Sidney McCain III

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Someone needs to take this young man and sit him down and talk to him. He needs to understand what he did is wrong and not acceptable. He needs to have the consequences of his action explained to him, and he needs love and acceptance to be able to reintegrate into society. I wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that he was most likely abused as a child and so is in fact a victim himself. I think that with time hard work counsiling and love he could once again become a member of society and truely repent for the crimes he committed in his pain....Actually I'd much rather shoot him.

Stay on topic. This thread isn't about birdlike.

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

As Quade correctly pointed out and no one seems to have picked up on is that Dylan Groene was in fact murdered. After all the torture, the boy was shot to death in front of his 8 year old sister Shasta.

What these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. What Shasta Groene will suffer for the remainder of her life, I would imagine is far worse than what Duncan will. This ofcourse is just an assumption on my part.

With that said, I do not support capital punishment unless there is absolutely no possible way to protect society from the individual. Some people are actually still dangerous even while incarcerated. I know this could be debated over and over.

I would like to say though that I will not shed a tear should Duncan be put to death. I wouldn't mind some really nasty torture thrown in also. That's my emotional side speaking. My logical side is life in prison (solitary confinement if possible) without any chance of parole.

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Joseph Edward Duncan III

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WTF is with that?

And your current monarch is Queen Elizabeth __ (fill in the blank)?

First it was statistics, then logic, now you're not an expert on sentence analysis either. Try re-reading it CAREFULLY.

And also think carefully about the difference between a name and a title.

tongue in cheek question, tongue in cheek answer - get off the constant fucking bashing for once and grow a sense of humor.

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I would like to say though that I will not shed a tear should Duncan be put to death. I wouldn't mind some really nasty torture thrown in also. That's my emotional side speaking. My logical side is life in prison (solitary confinement if possible) without any chance of parole.

Well said, and I agree.

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First it was statistics, then logic, now you're not an expert on sentence analysis either. Try re-reading it CAREFULLY.

And also think carefully about the difference between a name and a title.

tongue in cheek question, tongue in cheek answer - get off the constant fucking bashing for once and grow a sense of humor.

You didn't write anything funny

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Someone needs to take this young man and sit him down and talk to him. He needs to understand what he did is wrong and not acceptable. He needs to have the consequences of his action explained to him, and he needs love and acceptance to be able to reintegrate into society. I wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that he was most likely abused as a child and so is in fact a victim himself. I think that with time hard work counsiling and love he could once again become a member of society and truely repent for the crimes he committed in his pain....Actually I'd much rather shoot him.

Stay on topic. This thread isn't about birdlike.

THAT was funny.

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OK, so you just single-handedly insisted that no court EVER admit photographic or video evidence EVER AGAIN, I guess.

The court, unlike you, does not base their verdict on videotape.

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

As Quade correctly pointed out and no one seems to have picked up on is that Dylan Groene was in fact murdered. After all the torture, the boy was shot to death in front of his 8 year old sister Shasta.

What these 2 children suffered is beyond my comprehension. What Shasta Groene will suffer for the remainder of her life, I would imagine is far worse than what Duncan will. This ofcourse is just an assumption on my part.

With that said, I do not support capital punishment unless there is absolutely no possible way to protect society from the individual. Some people are actually still dangerous even while incarcerated. I know this could be debated over and over.

I would like to say though that I will not shed a tear should Duncan be put to death. I wouldn't mind some really nasty torture thrown in also. That's my emotional side speaking. My logical side is life in prison (solitary confinement if possible) without any chance of parole.

keep thinking w/ your logical side.

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Someone needs to take this young man and sit him down and talk to him. He needs to understand what he did is wrong and not acceptable. He needs to have the consequences of his action explained to him, and he needs love and acceptance to be able to reintegrate into society. I wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that he was most likely abused as a child and so is in fact a victim himself. I think that with time hard work counsiling and love he could once again become a member of society and truely repent for the crimes he committed in his pain....Actually I'd much rather shoot him.

Stay on topic. This thread isn't about birdlike.

THAT was funny.

THAT was hilarious!

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Nice to misstate the facts. I "know" that a FAIR TRIAL FOUND HIM GUILTY. Whether he got a phone call to a consulate would have been immaterial, and you know it. I didn't say a fucking thing about "skipping due process," but yeah, I did say "fuck the treaty obligation" -- but those are two entirely separate things. He GOT his fucking due process. Stop twisting things. Remember, the fewer distortions you make, the easier it will be for you to keep track of what you've said.

Apparently you just don't understand the concept of "due process".

I would have thought that you, in your vaunted erudition, would have volunteered up an explanation right here.

I get a little verbose, yeah, but at least I explain my positions and fully explicate my points.

You, instead, do these hit-and-runs, claiming that others simply don't rise to your enlightened level of understanding, but never explaining where they're wrong or you're right. That leads me (and I'm sure others) to conclude that YOU don't have the facts, either. Otherwise, why withhold them.

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