I'd like to hear the naysayers explain why this piece of shit shouldn't fry

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I understand...I just don't like the idea of killing people. Once they're beyond "normal social interaction" I say put 'em away forever. I don't think a lot of people realize how terribly awful prison really is. I also realize prison is not a place or an idea for rehabilitation - ever.

[Amazon 7]

Most of the civilized world quit murdering their people a while ago. Personally I dont think its a good idea to be in the same category as North Korea and Iran.. you remember those.. the Axis of Evil members.

I just love all you "right to life" compassionate conservatives.

Pro Death.. pro-war.... yeah.. thats some real twisting in the wind you Compassionate conservatives do.

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Most of the civilized world quit murdering their people a while ago. Personally I dont think its a good idea to be in the same category as North Korea and Iran.. you remember those.. the Axis of Evil members.

I just love all you "right to life" compassionate conservatives.

Pro Death.. pro-war.... yeah.. thats some real twisting in the wind you Compassionate conservatives do.

How's that 'no death penalty' supporters abortion count holding up, Jeanne, since we're talking about hypocrisy.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I just don't like the idea of killing people.

Neither do I.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Most of the civilized world quit murdering their people a while ago. Personally I dont think its a good idea to be in the same category as North Korea and Iran.. you remember those.. the Axis of Evil members.

I just love all you "right to life" compassionate conservatives.

Pro Death.. pro-war.... yeah.. thats some real twisting in the wind you Compassionate conservatives do.

More stupid childish responses ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Amazon 7]

Singing the same old song Mike....





DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

[Amazon 7]

Only to such childish minds

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for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

Then you should confine your anti-death penalty talk those marginal cases only, and acknowledge the validity of the death penalty for the obvious cases.

But instead, you want to treat everyone as if they're potentially innocent, even the obvious cases where they're not. And that's where you lose credibility with me.

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To them, all criminals are innocent.

An entirely false and ignorant comment -- you surely don't believe that.

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I understand...I just don't like the idea of killing people. Once they're beyond "normal social interaction" I say put 'em away forever. I don't think a lot of people realize how terribly awful prison really is. I also realize prison is not a place or an idea for rehabilitation - ever.

Mate. I fucking hate killing people. But some people are better off dead. As is this 'creature' in the context we're speaking of. Why pay the expenses of keeping such a thing alive? Who's to benefit???

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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An entirely false and ignorant comment -- you surely don't believe that.

Some people... as evidenced by their posts...... live in a world that is black and white.

They think they wear the white hats...

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for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

Then you should confine your anti-death penalty talk those marginal cases only, and acknowledge the validity of the death penalty for the obvious cases.

But instead, you want to treat everyone as if they're potentially innocent, even the obvious cases where they're not. And that's where you lose credibility with me.

So due process is only necessary if we're not sure they're guilty? How exactly would that work? Those without guns get fucked is my guess.

I have state my belief in the validity of the death penalty, but your ignorance of that misses the point. The point of this thread was to ignore the real issue and shout - 'see, this fucker deserves to die, I dare you to say otherwise.' Those who are concerned with the cost of the DP or the inaccuracy of the DP won't object. Those who oppose the DP on principle still will (and it's a valid opinion to hold).

The real issues about due process and capital punishment are always about the fuzzy cases where emotionalism trumpets the law and human rights.

You can't honestly, imo, argue for an ironclad application of the 2nd amendment and ignore the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and still claim to be a real American. (Maybe a Texan still)

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Child torturer/murderer on trial

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

I came late into this thread, but I will say I've got to give you credit for inserting the editorial comment "(by the way, not with a gun)" and then completely and totally leaving out the history of gun violence the shit-bag actually did have including the point of him killing the boy with a gun shot to the head at point blank range while the sister watched.

Bravo.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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If the evidence is 100% conclusive, why not kill such a criminal? Do everyone a favour.

If a system could be devised that ensured 100% in every case, that would be great, but we can't.

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They think they wear the white hats...

Big ten gallon white hats -- with huge blinders running down each side . . . (and a kinky sex toy or two stuffed under the crown).

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for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

Then you should confine your anti-death penalty talk those marginal cases only, and acknowledge the validity of the death penalty for the obvious cases.

But instead, you want to treat everyone as if they're potentially innocent, even the obvious cases where they're not. And that's where you lose credibility with me.

Another one who thinks the penalty for a crime should depend on the quality of the evidence. Must be a Texas thing. What a bloodthirsty bunch you are down there.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kelpdiver 2]

it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

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it's not just the penalty being tied to the evidence, but the notion that process doesn't matter if we're sure he did it.

Indeed!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

For just around $5,000 and your good photo you'll get video showing _you_ doing something even worse...

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

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Boy you spun that one. And yes defense. i think MOST soldiers are thinking they are defending.

We can show that some people have murdered, gone to prison, been released by a liberal system that for some reason does not keep people who have murdered stay in prison until they die one way or another, and then murdered again.

Executing them DEFENDS the public from these monsters; and I'm sure that some judges, prosecutors, jurors and executioners feel that they are DEFENDING, as well.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

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Can you understand that if we have a system that kills obviously guilty scum, that it alos sucks in marginally guilty people as well as obviously innocent people too?

The system kills OBVIOUSLY innocent people?

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See, if you Republicans kept your courtrooms clean of these kind of occassional cases, thee would be no argument against killing the scum at the top of the page.

Oh, that is SUCH BULLSHIT!
ONE reason people oppose capital punishment is the potential to execute an innocent.

Did you forget that plenty of bleeding hearts cite the, "It makes us as bad as the murderers" line of shit?

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
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Not innocent - I just don't like supporting state sponsored murder.

"Murder" is a term defined by a given society.
Our society does not include execution after a trial as "murder." So your use of the term is inappropriate. Not only that, but it is not "state sponsored" because it is a JURY of CITIZENS who make the decision of guilt, and usually who recommend the sentence. And even if it were the decision of a "state" body, don't we elect them to represent us? So if it's a decision of a state body, it's still "the people" deciding.

If a death sentence is "state sponsored," then so is the decision to imprison a convict for life. Why are you ok with "the state" making SO MANY decisions that bind our daily lives, but not how to ultimately punish a murderer and protect society from him?

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Because someone else kills is no reason to make a killer of me or the society I contribute to.
Life in prison is more than sufficient penalty. So long as it is that. It is a fate worse than death. Death is an easy way out for them.
Death penalty is all about vengeance. Nothing else.

It's punishment.

But based on your statement above, I have to conclude that your favoring the "fate worse than death" of life imprisonment is, itself, VENGEANCE. You clearly, based on your own statement, favor it because it's horrible for the condemned to endure it. You don't call that vengeance?

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

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No, John. You and birdlike continue to miss the point that for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

Then why, in cases like this where you and we don't dispute guilt, can't we execute him?

The very fact that it's an "obvious case" combined with the fact that no impropriety has been shown about his conviction should obviate any concerns you would otherwise have that would lead to opposition to the death penalty for him. I mean, if you oppose it because of possibly being wrong, and we all agree that in this case it's not possible, why not fry the bastard?

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I think the majority of Americans believe OJ was guilty, but are you so sure you'd execute him? The glove didn't fit!

????????? WTF??
First of all, OJ wasn't CONVICTED. Second of all, we're talking about a case where NO ONE is saying "maybe we convicted him in error"!! Your analogy is totally out of whack.

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murdering someone in response to a murder is not a favor for me, but thanks just the same.

You're not doing yourself any favors by continuing to misapply the term "murder" to the post-conviction killing, for punishment, of a true murderer.

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Blah Blah Blah... talk about facist doublespeak.. if you want to KILL PEOPLE.. there are places you can go to GIT SOME..... I am surprised you haven't.

I don't want to kill people, I want to execute convicted criminals. If you want to TORTURE PEOPLE, there are places you can go ... I'm surprised you haven't.

You forget that she's come to DZ.com, where all of us are tortured by her postings.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire