I'd like to hear the naysayers explain why this piece of shit shouldn't fry

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

Explain to me why this despicable piece of filth deserves to take a single breath more.

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Child torturer/murderer on trial

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

Explain to me why this despicable piece of filth deserves to take a single breath more.

This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone

See, if your blood-thirsty cops and prosecutors, as well as jurors would use discretion and quit covering each other's asses when an error is made so they can correct the wrong, then there could be sensible executions. But when cops err, they cover up and would just assume the innocent convict fry rather than to look stupid fixing the error, so innocent people get executed and this makes me not want any executions.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

[Andy9o8 2]

After a while, these threads about "Let's fry this vicious criminal" all start to look the same. Nice push-poll, though. Only you forgot the "I want him to marry my daughter" option.

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Child torturer/murderer on trial

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

Explain to me why this despicable piece of filth deserves to take a single breath more.

Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Sentence him to life without parole, and quietly put out the word among his 'collegues' that Duncan is a child molester.

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Steven Groene left the courtroom just before the video was played. Before he did he approached some spectators, angrily motioning them out and making an obscene gesture when they stayed put. At one point he threatened to make a citizen's arrest of anyone watching, saying viewing child pornography is a crime.

Once the video had been shown and he returned to the courtroom, Groene confronted some of those who had stayed, asking bitterly if they enjoyed it.

I agree with the father - what utter PERV would WANT to remain in the courtroom to watch these poor children get abused? I hope all the spectator-cattle will have nightmares for the rest of their lives for watching that vid.
The judge, jury and lawyers, yes - They have little choice. But the General Public? WTF happened to privacy?

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This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone

See, if your blood-thirsty cops and prosecutors, as well as jurors would use discretion and quit covering each other's asses when an error is made so they can correct the wrong, then there could be sensible executions. But when cops err, they cover up and would just assume the innocent convict fry rather than to look stupid fixing the error, so innocent people get executed and this makes me not want any executions.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

This does not seem relevant to the case to me. He is not Ray Krone, he is Joseph Duncan. A person could just as easily paste a link to the Wiki article on Duncan as the reason he SHOULD be executed.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

If defense is the only cool reason to kill, are all soldiers uncool? Don't soldiers actually go out looking to kill on a pretty regular basis?

The life-is-sacred stance crumbles when the exceptions to the rule start to pile up.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

If defense is the only cool reason to kill, are all soldiers uncool? Don't soldiers actually go out looking to kill on a pretty regular basis?

The life-is-sacred stance crumbles when the exceptions to the rule start to pile up.

Boy you spun that one. And yes defense. i think MOST soldiers are thinking they are defending. The cunts that just wanna go kill someone, well, ya reap what ya sow.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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The prosecution's last witness was a man who testified that Duncan had raped him at gunpoint in 1980, when the man was just 14 years old.

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Duncan, a convicted pedophile originally from Tacoma, Washington, has pleaded guilty to federal and state counts including murder.

A convicted pedophile pleading guilty to rape and murder ... take him out back and get it over with.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone

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The neutrality of this article is disputed.

While wiki is pretty cool...it rarely settles arguments.

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WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

The argument of innocent men sitting on death row does not answer the question as to why this piece of garbage should be allowed to live.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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The videos and photos taken at the cabin show Duncan forcing the boy to perform a sex act, whipping him with a belt and hanging him with a wire noose until the boy passed out.

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In the video, after releasing Dylan from the noose, Duncan promised to take him to the hospital so his injured neck could be treated. He also promised to tell hospital staffers where to find Shasta, who had been left back at the campground, so they could come find her. He kept neither promise.

After that, Duncan offered to let Dylan watch the video of his "death," then wandered away from the camera where he could be heard singing part of the Lord's Prayer.

I suppose that proves it. Christianity is a pedophilic death cult.

But more on topic, yes, this guy needs to be thrown on the reject pile and his raw materials recycled.

Blues,
Dave

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Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

If defense is the only cool reason to kill, are all soldiers uncool? Don't soldiers actually go out looking to kill on a pretty regular basis?

Yep, they are good at it too

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If defense is the only cool reason to kill, are all soldiers uncool? Don't soldiers actually go out looking to kill on a pretty regular basis?

We sure do. Hell, I get all upset if I dont get to kill at least 3-4 insurgents a week.

Disclaimer: Im a medic I dont even get to carry a gun. Can I still be a soldier?

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance (by the way, not with a gun) in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

This piece of shit-covered pig penis is on videotape doing his crimes. There is NO QUESTION WE HAVE THE GUILTY ONE.

Explain to me why this despicable piece of filth deserves to take a single breath more.

Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

Ditto on all counts

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This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone

See, if your blood-thirsty cops and prosecutors, as well as jurors would use discretion and quit covering each other's asses when an error is made so they can correct the wrong, then there could be sensible executions. But when cops err, they cover up and would just assume the innocent convict fry rather than to look stupid fixing the error, so innocent people get executed and this makes me not want any executions.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

This does not seem relevant to the case to me. He is not Ray Krone, he is Joseph Duncan. A person could just as easily paste a link to the Wiki article on Duncan as the reason he SHOULD be executed.

Can you understand that if we have a system that kills obviously guilty scum, that it alos sucks in marginally guilty people as well as obviously innocent people too? See, if you Republicans kept your courtrooms clean of these kind of occassional cases, thee would be no argument against killing the scum at the top of the page. But since you throw in some obviously innocent ones you are losing your right to fry. It's kinda like being able to own a 500 HP Z06 if you generally stay within the speed limit, start driving irresponsible all the time and you lose the right to drive.

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Cause maybe it's not cool to kill except in defense of your or anothers life. Rotting in a cell for the rest of your life must really suck worse. And it's cheaper BTW. Fuck all the lawyers

If defense is the only cool reason to kill, are all soldiers uncool? Don't soldiers actually go out looking to kill on a pretty regular basis?

The life-is-sacred stance crumbles when the exceptions to the rule start to pile up.

The miitary is a major exception and if they kill innocent people intentionally they can and have been executed. Furthermore, they are such an exception that the FAA can't even touch them, regulate them, etc, so that is an irrelevant exception.

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While I believe in the death penalty I believe that it should be reserved for murders only.

Therefore I think this guy should be executed for the murders of the brother, mother and fiancee, but not for the torture of the kid (as horrible as that is).

For things like that, there should be prison with absolutely zero option of ever being released.

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This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone

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The neutrality of this article is disputed.

While wiki is pretty cool...it rarely settles arguments.

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WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

The argument of innocent men sitting on death row does not answer the question as to why this piece of garbage should be allowed to live.

>>>>>>>>>>>>The neutrality of this article is disputed.


I've heard this same story for over a decade, there is nothing indisputable about this story. WHat it fails to say are things like the original prosecutors fought like hell in his original trial in 91 to suppress the DNA and won that. There are also other small facts ommitted. I can inundate you with websites if you wish, this story is true and there are many others like it, if you wish to believe that obviously innocent people are not convicted and sent to death, you have the right to keep your head in the sand.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While wiki is pretty cool...it rarely settles arguments.


It, as well as other supporting evidence can settle arguments if the incorrect party is willing to make admissions.....usually not the case.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The argument of innocent men sitting on death row does not answer the question as to why this piece of garbage should be allowed to live.

I posted a thread a littl bit ago, I asked in a poll, what your negligible number of innocent people we can execute so we can execute a POS as in this thread. So, what's your answer? Oh, you don't have one, ...... head in the sand?

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WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

The argument of innocent men sitting on death row does not answer the question as to why this piece of garbage should be allowed to live.

Correct! That's what the liberal anti-death penalty people never want to address. No matter how provably guilty someone is of a heinous crime, like this guy, they still can't bring themselves to admit that HE deserves the death penalty.

To them, all criminals are innocent.

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Not innocent - I just don't like supporting state sponsored murder. Because someone else kills is no reason to make a killer of me or the society I contribute to.
Life in prison is more than sufficient penalty. So long as it is that. It is a fate worse than death. Death is an easy way out for them.
Death penalty is all about vengeance. Nothing else.

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Life in prison is more than sufficient penalty. So long as it is that. It is a fate worse than death. Death is an easy way out for them.
Death penalty is all about vengeance. Nothing else.

If you believe that the death penalty is all about vengeance than what do you believe life in prison is all about considering you believe that it is a fate worse than death?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Not innocent - I just don't like supporting state sponsored murder. Because someone else kills is no reason to make a killer of me or the society I contribute to.
Life in prison is more than sufficient penalty. So long as it is that. It is a fate worse than death. Death is an easy way out for them.
Death penalty is all about vengeance. Nothing else.

So if death is vengeance, what's a 'fate worse than death' then?

If the evidence is 100% conclusive, why not kill such a criminal? Do everyone a favour.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE CAN AND MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED?

The argument of innocent men sitting on death row does not answer the question as to why this piece of garbage should be allowed to live.

Correct! That's what the liberal anti-death penalty people never want to address. No matter how provably guilty someone is of a heinous crime, like this guy, they still can't bring themselves to admit that HE deserves the death penalty.

To them, all criminals are innocent.

No, John. You and birdlike continue to miss the point that for most, the debate over the death penalty is not about the obvious cases like this one. Just as the desire to see due process followed is not about cases where there is a confession and video evidence to back it up. It's about the marginal cases where the police have sloppy evidence.

I think the majority of Americans believe OJ was guilty, but are you so sure you'd execute him? The glove didn't fit!

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murdering someone in response to a murder is not a favor for me, but thanks just the same.

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If you believe that the death penalty is all about vengeance than what do you believe life in prison is all about considering you believe that it is a fate worse than death?

I think he needs to meet Bubba the Rump Ranger and his friends.

I dont think that is a fate worse than death.. but I do think it is appropriate in his case.

I think he is too good to die for his crimes against humanity. He needs a long life without the possibility of ever leaving the confines of prison. He needs to be incarcerated with like minded individuals... those who prey on others.