birdlike 0 #76 August 23, 2008 Quote I would advocate people to educate themselves on their state's laws. Not by watching TV, but buy reading the laws as written, reading some of the major case law and consulting their lawyer. I'm a strong personal rights advocate and I believe people have a right to defend themselves from harm, just as they have a right to defend their property. How's that for an answer? I am so glad you are a police officer, you don't even know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #77 August 23, 2008 Since noone else has said it: Pit bulls with guns are bad. Four legged creatures brandishing firearms are generally a bad idea. We should ban pitbulls with guns. If approached by a pitbull with a gun, shoot it with a bazooka. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #78 August 23, 2008 Quote Four legged creatures brandishing firearms are generally a bad idea. Tough. The Constitution specifically states: "...the right to keep and arm bears shall not be infringed." Deal with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #79 August 23, 2008 Quote Quote Four legged creatures brandishing firearms are generally a bad idea. Tough. The Constitution specifically states: "...the right to keep and arm bears shall not be infringed." Deal with it. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #80 August 24, 2008 Quote Since noone else has said it: Pit bulls with guns are bad. Four legged creatures brandishing firearms are generally a bad idea. We should ban pitbulls with guns. If approached by a pitbull with a gun, shoot it with a bazooka. You know what's bad? Dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you! Also, according to Jack Handey, "Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #81 August 24, 2008 Is a dog on you RIGHT NOW?!? Holy shit, dude, stop posting on dropzone.com and deal with that dog on your arm!!! What? There isn't a dog biting through your bone right this second? Anyone else having that problem right now? No? Good. Then now would be a sensible time to plan ahead to make sure you don't ever have a large dog biting your head. You act like it is either/or proposition. It is possible to both plan ahead and deal with unexpected crises. I know it is difficult for the simple minded to understand, but keeping problems from developing in the first place is almost always a better idea than waiting until they are upon you to act. QuoteJust like when you are attacked by an armed mugger, don't shoot him, support politicians who will invest tax money in education and vocational programs. You're right. It is illogical to both support proactive crime prevention and punish criminals. I bow to your superior Internet fantasy world black and white reasoning ability. No sarcastic emoticon needed. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #82 August 24, 2008 Quote Is a dog on you RIGHT NOW?!? Holy shit, dude, stop posting on dropzone.com and deal with that dog on your arm!!! What? There isn't a dog biting through your bone right this second? Anyone else having that problem right now? No? Good. Then now would be a sensible time to plan ahead to make sure you don't ever have a large dog biting your head. You act like it is either/or proposition. It is possible to both plan ahead and deal with unexpected crises. I know it is difficult for the simple minded to understand, but keeping problems from developing in the first place is almost always a better idea than waiting until they are upon you to act. Yeah, but until say 20 years from now when the changes start to really help (as though we have a formula that we believe is going to accomplish that) what the fuck do people do NOW, if confronted by the robber at the ATM, or the mugger in the parking lot? Your ethereal "let's make the world better" stuff does not accomplish a real-world solution in the here-and-now. Quote Quote Just like when you are attacked by an armed mugger, don't shoot him, support politicians who will invest tax money in education and vocational programs. You're right. It is illogical to both support proactive crime prevention and punish criminals. I bow to your superior Internet fantasy world black and white reasoning ability. No sarcastic emoticon needed. Yeah, go with smarmy. Smarmy works. Meanwhile, what should a crime victim do TOMORROW? You chose to not understand that that was my point.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #83 August 24, 2008 QuoteYeah, but until say 20 years from now... Very few dogs live to 20 years. Try to stay on topic, Mr. knee-jerker. I've already answered your stupid question. It's not my fault that the answer to, "What do you do when attacked by a dog, " is not, shoot at it. When alll you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Put down your arsenal and go make some skydives. QuoteYour ethereal "let's make the world better" stuff does not accomplish a real-world solution in the here-and-now. Are you reading any of this thread, or just posting the same bullshit you post in all the threads? The question was about dealing with aggressive dogs. I've provided some very practical advice. The most practical advice I think I've given it that firing shots at a dog once it has engaged in an attack is fucking stupid. By the way, you assume that because I don't think that guns are the answer to every problem that I am somehow anti-gun. The opposite is, in fact, true. I firmly believe in every American's right to bear arms, I just don't think that a firearm is a good, or even sensible, solution to the problem of aggressive dogs. I know its hard to understand, but people can disagree with you and not be pinko, commie, liberal, flower children. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #84 August 24, 2008 Quote Quote Yeah, but until say 20 years from now... Very few dogs live to 20 years. Try to stay on topic, Mr. knee-jerker. How did you get this confused?? Where the hell did you get the idea that I was talking about a dog living 20 years? I was talking about waiting 20 years for social changes to take care of the crime problem, meanwhile what do people do NOW if victimized. YOU need to try to keep up. But I'm about to stop bothering trying to keep you kept up. Quote When alll you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. That must be why I've discharged my firearm in public so many times. That must be why so many of the other gun owners represented here are using their "hammers" to fire "nails" at so many people. Quote Put down your arsenal and go make some skydives. More idiotic hyperbole--as if I'm walking around with "my arsenal." Quote By the way, you assume that because I don't think that guns are the answer to every problem that I am somehow anti-gun. The opposite is, in fact, true. I firmly believe in every American's right to bear arms, I just don't think that a firearm is a good, or even sensible, solution to the problem of aggressive dogs. I'm glad to know you're pro-gun. I hope you are an NRA member, doing your part to support THE group that has been protecting our rights all this time. I do know of people who have had their lives SAVED by a gun against a vicious dog. Are there other alternatives? Of course. I just don't prefer them. But when I go skating around the neighborhood, I have a collapsible baton (legal with my license) as well as my gun. One time, a small-medium sized dog ran across a yard toward me as I turned the corner, on my skates. The owner was busy gardening. As the dog, unleashed and unpenned, barked and ran toward me, the guy called out a yell and it stopped. I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out. As the dog stopped, and I began skating away, I yelled out to the guy, "Good way to lose a dog! Quote I know its hard to understand, but people can disagree with you and not be pinko, commie, liberal, flower children. Did I call you that??Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #85 August 24, 2008 I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out.Quote If someone were to raise a baton in order to strike my dog, my dog would rely upon his training and remove the arm, and probably rip out his attackers throat. Because a dog barks, is not a reason to instantly prepare to harm the dog, barking is how dogs communicate. Barking does nothing to harm someone. Most people who fear dogs have no sense at all about when a dog truly means to inflict harm. My dog barks, he barks for many different reasons, are all of them just a notice of an attack? Hell no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #86 August 25, 2008 Would you mind, please, noting with a little more alacrity the fact that I did not strike the dog, nor swing at it? Would you prefer if I had stood there, frozen, and done nothing to put myself in a ready defensive stance and just waited to see if I began to be mauled before I took my first defensive step? The fact is, had I been bitten, the law would have been on my side, and indisputably. I was minding my own business inline skating down the block when an untethered dog left its property and acted aggressively. Did I ever say "Hit a dog for barking?" I like dogs too, you know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #87 August 25, 2008 It was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #88 August 25, 2008 QuoteWhere the hell did you get the idea that I was talking about a dog living 20 years? I was talking about waiting 20 years for social changes to take care of the crime problem, meanwhile what do people do NOW if victimized. The rest of us were having a discussion about the use of guns against dog attacks. YOU, all by yourself, tried to make this about "liberal" crime prevention programs. QuoteMore idiotic hyperbole--as if I'm walking around with "my arsenal." and then... QuoteBut when I go skating around the neighborhood, I have a collapsible baton (legal with my license) as well as my gun. My irony meter must be broken. It's reading 11. QuoteOne time, a small-medium sized dog ran across a yard toward me as I turned the corner, on my skates. The owner was busy gardening. As the dog, unleashed and unpenned, barked and ran toward me, the guy called out a yell and it stopped. I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out. You have no idea how much it suprises me that I'm saying this, but I think you actually did the right thing. If you take a second to think about it, you followed my earlier advice to the letter. Good job. I realize you will refuse to recognize that fact, but maybe everyone else can see that my advice is practical. And how would dropping your baton (a very effective weapon against dogs) and pulling out your gun have helped you defend yourself? Or are you just one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis? And to warpedskydiver: If your dog will leave your property to attack someone for any reason, you need to keep it properly restrained at all times. Attack dogs should not be trained to attack of their own volition unless they are on their own property. If they are trained otherwise, then you are an example of the worst kind of dog owner. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #89 August 25, 2008 Quotefaux-penis What *IS* it with liberals and this - can y'all not separate sex from ANYthing? Talk about infantile ...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #90 August 25, 2008 How is this a liberal/conservative thing? Responsible gun ownership is a right enjoyed by every American. I strongly support it, as stated previously. I have, however, met many people who carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out. My opinion of these people is that they suffer from some sort of general inserurity about themselves, and carrying a lethal weapon makes them feel more like a man. I have also known many people who carry concealed and no one would ever know it. From his posts, and the fact that he was ready to draw down on a barking dog, leads me to believe that birdlike is one of the former. If I'm wrong, so be it, but his over the top posts lead me to believe otherwise. PS: I like sex. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #91 August 25, 2008 QuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. A dog leaving "his yard" to charge is a danger to everybody just passing by that yard. Badly trained. Dogs do not "smell" a bad intention, it's the way the person is approaching, walking carefully, taking care of steps, avoiding any noise, hiding ... just like animals do in nature while approaching, sneaking up. That's catching the dogs attention, not a possible odor. That might not refer to pitbulls and similar races, which often are (badly) trained just to attack. We all know that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #92 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. A dog leaving "his yard" to charge is a danger to everybody just passing by that yard. Badly trained. Dogs do not "smell" a bad intention, it's the way the person is approaching, walking carefully, taking care of steps, avoiding any noise, hiding ... just like animals do in nature while approaching, sneaking up. That's catching the dogs attention, not a possible odor. That might not refer to pitbulls and similar races, which often are (badly) trained just to attack. We all know that. My dog will not leave his yard except if I put him on a leash. As far as leaving the yard goes, do you mean leaving the yard as in going into the street, past the sidewalk, or otherwise. A step or two outside the property lines does not necessarily mean leaving the yard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #93 August 25, 2008 Quote .. As far as leaving the yard goes, do you mean leaving the yard as in going into the street, past the sidewalk, or otherwise. A step or two outside the property lines does not necessarily mean leaving the yard. Quote ......it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. That's what I was referring to (In Fact, 2 questions?) . dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #94 August 26, 2008 QuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Well, my "mannerism" was that I was fucking skating by the house on a public street, not even looking at the dog. "Furtive"? No. Nor was it furtive when I raised my ASP (though I did not extend it). That action is not what brought the dog barking and charging; it was a response to it, and whether or not that eggs the dog on, I felt it was necessary to be prepared for in case the dog was to try to bite. So much for the wonderful perception the dog has: why did it charge a person skating by? It's not like I was prowling the cellar windows of a house with a flashlight in the dark!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #95 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote More idiotic hyperbole--as if I'm walking around with "my arsenal." and then... Quote But when I go skating around the neighborhood, I have a collapsible baton (legal with my license) as well as my gun. My irony meter must be broken. It's reading 11. Oh, so by you, that's an "arsenal." By me, it's part of an abbreviated force continuum. Obviously, I was prepared with something that could be used with some expectation of nonlethality (even though I do recognize that a baton is to be considered a "deadly weapon" and would be by the law) before I would discharge shots at the dog. You would condemn that and characterize it as though I were walking around with an "arsenal." You'd shit your pants if you actually did see my arsenal. Quote Quote One time, a small-medium sized dog ran across a yard toward me as I turned the corner, on my skates. The owner was busy gardening. As the dog, unleashed and unpenned, barked and ran toward me, the guy called out a yell and it stopped. I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out. You have no idea how much it suprises me that I'm saying this, but I think you actually did the right thing. If you take a second to think about it, you followed my earlier advice to the letter. Good job. I realize you will refuse to recognize that fact, but maybe everyone else can see that my advice is practical. And how would dropping your baton (a very effective weapon against dogs) and pulling out your gun have helped you defend yourself? Or are you just one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis? You almost had me going for a moment, that your praise was made in good faith. Then you ditched that tack for the moronic "your gun must be a penis substitute" line. If I were "one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis," then, why--as you observed, yourself, and even praised me on--did I not take the opportunity that arose? Fuckin' stupid line of questioning you have there, where you ask me about something you just that moment had disproved. As you pointed out, I went for the less-lethal alternative (and didn't even have to use that, as it turned out) before I would have gone for the gun. Fuckin' DUH. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #96 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote faux-penis What *IS* it with liberals and this - can y'all not separate sex from ANYthing? Talk about infantile ... Dude, it's all they've got. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #97 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote It was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Well, my "mannerism" was that I was fucking skating by the house on a public street, not even looking at the dog. "Furtive"? No. Nor was it furtive when I raised my ASP (though I did not extend it). That action is not what brought the dog barking and charging; it was a response to it, and whether or not that eggs the dog on, I felt it was necessary to be prepared for in case the dog was to try to bite. So much for the wonderful perception the dog has: why did it charge a person skating by? It's not like I was prowling the cellar windows of a house with a flashlight in the dark! well, you approach a dog or property with swinging arms and high-speed, and the dog shouldt not at all be concerned? if i came running at you with my arms raised, that would be of no concern to you too!? skaters and runners trigger a lot of dogs, because its the way a dog would define an attack. admittedly, the dog you were referring to is probably not so well trained. mine doesnt give a shit about skaters and runners. but it doesnt lessen the fact that skaters and runners may be defined as a threat if the dog's not properly trained. that then goes back to the owner, as the puppy is not very likely to get on the phone and call a couple of dog schools up in order to make it a sociable pet.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #98 August 26, 2008 Quote How is this a liberal/conservative thing? Responsible gun ownership is a right enjoyed by every American. I strongly support it, as stated previously. I have, however, met many people who carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out. How many of these people you claim to have met who "carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out" HAVE actually pulled them out? And if they haven't, why have they been so inept at managing to find the excuses they are deliberately seeking? And if you don't know the answer, how the fuck is it that you can be claiming that they are going around looking for excuses to draw their firearms? I think you're just talking out your ass. Did you ever SEE someone you've met actually PULL a gun? EVER? Quote My opinion of these people is that they suffer from some sort of general inserurity about themselves, and carrying a lethal weapon makes them feel more like a man. So naturally, your thoughts ran to PENISES. Quote I have also known many people who carry concealed and no one would ever know it. If these were people who were not cops (whom you would have good reason to believe carried concealed when off-duty) then they are going about it wrong. There's no reason for any but a very small few people to know that a given person carries a gun. I don't tell all my friends and acquaintances. My family knows as a matter of course. My best friends know because I trust them with my life, and me theirs. Beyond that, yes, it IS a stupid ego thing to drop word that you carry. Quote From his posts, and the fact that he was ready to draw down on a barking dog, leads me to believe that birdlike is one of the former. If I'm wrong, so be it, but his over the top posts lead me to believe otherwise. I indicated that I was prepared to -- that's why I carry the gun. For protection. Duh. I did not say -- or even imply -- that I was eager to. YOU imputed that bullshit, all on your own. The fact that what I did do was ready the baton, which was already in my hand, and not the gun -- that made a null impression on you, and you instead forced yourself to believe implications that were not in evidence. Quote PS: I like sex. I'm sure any number of us can tell you what it's like; all you have to do is ask. But be patient. It could still happen for you.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #99 August 26, 2008 Quote well, you approach a dog or property with swinging arms and high-speed, and the dog shouldt not at all be concerned? if i came running at you with my arms raised, that would be of no concern to you too!? skaters and runners trigger a lot of dogs, because its the way a dog would define an attack. I was not: - running or skating "at" the dog - having my "arms raised" - moving at "high speed" I was skating south on the right side of the road, turned right (west) and was hugging the right corner (northwest). The dog was on the southwest corner property. I was never heading toward the dog. I was already proceeding westbound when the dog made its advance, so it was quartering toward me on my left rear side when I heard its barking and turned to see its approach. Quote admittedly, the dog you were referring to is probably not so well trained. mine doesnt give a shit about skaters and runners. but it doesnt lessen the fact that skaters and runners may be defined as a threat if the dog's not properly trained. that then goes back to the owner, as the puppy is not very likely to get on the phone and call a couple of dog schools up in order to make it a sociable pet.. The dog was not only not well-trained, it was not well-minded. The owner was an idiot for leaving a yappy, aggressive dog unleashed and unpenned. People walk by there, with kids even, all the time. It's an upper-middle class clean neighborhood full of families and people who walk, jog, skate, bike, etc. You are right, it goes back to the owner, but knowing that the owner, not the dog, is the cause of multiple puncture wounds would not be of comfort to me. Don't people here understand (I'll assume you probably do) that it's reasonable for a person like me to venture out on skates with the means of protection for what is actually a very common eventuality? Where do people get the chutzpah to assert that it's an overreaction to have a defensive weapon available, knowing that dogs do indeed attack people all the friggin' time?!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dirtrider8e 2 #100 August 26, 2008 Pit bulls are not dangerous dogs, but their owners can make them that way. Pit bulls want to please their owners. They are extremly easy to train and calm. When owners neglect their dogs and train them to be mean, the dog will respond because they want to please their owners. If you train the dog right, you will never have a better dog, I know cuz I have 2 of them and they are the greatest. And guns should never be banned!Arch!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEE. Crap, not another reserve ride!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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birdlike 0 #86 August 25, 2008 Would you mind, please, noting with a little more alacrity the fact that I did not strike the dog, nor swing at it? Would you prefer if I had stood there, frozen, and done nothing to put myself in a ready defensive stance and just waited to see if I began to be mauled before I took my first defensive step? The fact is, had I been bitten, the law would have been on my side, and indisputably. I was minding my own business inline skating down the block when an untethered dog left its property and acted aggressively. Did I ever say "Hit a dog for barking?" I like dogs too, you know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #87 August 25, 2008 It was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #88 August 25, 2008 QuoteWhere the hell did you get the idea that I was talking about a dog living 20 years? I was talking about waiting 20 years for social changes to take care of the crime problem, meanwhile what do people do NOW if victimized. The rest of us were having a discussion about the use of guns against dog attacks. YOU, all by yourself, tried to make this about "liberal" crime prevention programs. QuoteMore idiotic hyperbole--as if I'm walking around with "my arsenal." and then... QuoteBut when I go skating around the neighborhood, I have a collapsible baton (legal with my license) as well as my gun. My irony meter must be broken. It's reading 11. QuoteOne time, a small-medium sized dog ran across a yard toward me as I turned the corner, on my skates. The owner was busy gardening. As the dog, unleashed and unpenned, barked and ran toward me, the guy called out a yell and it stopped. I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out. You have no idea how much it suprises me that I'm saying this, but I think you actually did the right thing. If you take a second to think about it, you followed my earlier advice to the letter. Good job. I realize you will refuse to recognize that fact, but maybe everyone else can see that my advice is practical. And how would dropping your baton (a very effective weapon against dogs) and pulling out your gun have helped you defend yourself? Or are you just one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis? And to warpedskydiver: If your dog will leave your property to attack someone for any reason, you need to keep it properly restrained at all times. Attack dogs should not be trained to attack of their own volition unless they are on their own property. If they are trained otherwise, then you are an example of the worst kind of dog owner. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 August 25, 2008 Quotefaux-penis What *IS* it with liberals and this - can y'all not separate sex from ANYthing? Talk about infantile ...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #90 August 25, 2008 How is this a liberal/conservative thing? Responsible gun ownership is a right enjoyed by every American. I strongly support it, as stated previously. I have, however, met many people who carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out. My opinion of these people is that they suffer from some sort of general inserurity about themselves, and carrying a lethal weapon makes them feel more like a man. I have also known many people who carry concealed and no one would ever know it. From his posts, and the fact that he was ready to draw down on a barking dog, leads me to believe that birdlike is one of the former. If I'm wrong, so be it, but his over the top posts lead me to believe otherwise. PS: I like sex. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #91 August 25, 2008 QuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. A dog leaving "his yard" to charge is a danger to everybody just passing by that yard. Badly trained. Dogs do not "smell" a bad intention, it's the way the person is approaching, walking carefully, taking care of steps, avoiding any noise, hiding ... just like animals do in nature while approaching, sneaking up. That's catching the dogs attention, not a possible odor. That might not refer to pitbulls and similar races, which often are (badly) trained just to attack. We all know that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #92 August 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. A dog leaving "his yard" to charge is a danger to everybody just passing by that yard. Badly trained. Dogs do not "smell" a bad intention, it's the way the person is approaching, walking carefully, taking care of steps, avoiding any noise, hiding ... just like animals do in nature while approaching, sneaking up. That's catching the dogs attention, not a possible odor. That might not refer to pitbulls and similar races, which often are (badly) trained just to attack. We all know that. My dog will not leave his yard except if I put him on a leash. As far as leaving the yard goes, do you mean leaving the yard as in going into the street, past the sidewalk, or otherwise. A step or two outside the property lines does not necessarily mean leaving the yard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #93 August 25, 2008 Quote .. As far as leaving the yard goes, do you mean leaving the yard as in going into the street, past the sidewalk, or otherwise. A step or two outside the property lines does not necessarily mean leaving the yard. Quote ......it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. That's what I was referring to (In Fact, 2 questions?) . dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #94 August 26, 2008 QuoteIt was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Well, my "mannerism" was that I was fucking skating by the house on a public street, not even looking at the dog. "Furtive"? No. Nor was it furtive when I raised my ASP (though I did not extend it). That action is not what brought the dog barking and charging; it was a response to it, and whether or not that eggs the dog on, I felt it was necessary to be prepared for in case the dog was to try to bite. So much for the wonderful perception the dog has: why did it charge a person skating by? It's not like I was prowling the cellar windows of a house with a flashlight in the dark!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #95 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote More idiotic hyperbole--as if I'm walking around with "my arsenal." and then... Quote But when I go skating around the neighborhood, I have a collapsible baton (legal with my license) as well as my gun. My irony meter must be broken. It's reading 11. Oh, so by you, that's an "arsenal." By me, it's part of an abbreviated force continuum. Obviously, I was prepared with something that could be used with some expectation of nonlethality (even though I do recognize that a baton is to be considered a "deadly weapon" and would be by the law) before I would discharge shots at the dog. You would condemn that and characterize it as though I were walking around with an "arsenal." You'd shit your pants if you actually did see my arsenal. Quote Quote One time, a small-medium sized dog ran across a yard toward me as I turned the corner, on my skates. The owner was busy gardening. As the dog, unleashed and unpenned, barked and ran toward me, the guy called out a yell and it stopped. I, meanwhile, had raised my baton and was poised to use it defensively before I would have resorted to getting the gun out. You have no idea how much it suprises me that I'm saying this, but I think you actually did the right thing. If you take a second to think about it, you followed my earlier advice to the letter. Good job. I realize you will refuse to recognize that fact, but maybe everyone else can see that my advice is practical. And how would dropping your baton (a very effective weapon against dogs) and pulling out your gun have helped you defend yourself? Or are you just one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis? You almost had me going for a moment, that your praise was made in good faith. Then you ditched that tack for the moronic "your gun must be a penis substitute" line. If I were "one of those losers who goes around looking for an excuse to fire your faux-penis," then, why--as you observed, yourself, and even praised me on--did I not take the opportunity that arose? Fuckin' stupid line of questioning you have there, where you ask me about something you just that moment had disproved. As you pointed out, I went for the less-lethal alternative (and didn't even have to use that, as it turned out) before I would have gone for the gun. Fuckin' DUH. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #96 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote faux-penis What *IS* it with liberals and this - can y'all not separate sex from ANYthing? Talk about infantile ... Dude, it's all they've got. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #97 August 26, 2008 Quote Quote It was not really a statement directed solely at you. Stand your ground, be prepared to defend yourself, but making a furtive movement is enough to elicit an attack by Dog, Soldier, or LEO. My dog was trained to sense who the bad guy was out of a crowd of 30 people, all dressed in a smililar manner. Dogs have a way of sensing a person with intent of attack, or great apprehension. It may be due to the way a person acts in their mannerisms, or due to an ordor given off by their own body, breath or otherwise. From a good distance a dog can sense these things, it could be enough to make a wary dog leave his yard in order to protect his domain, or charges. Well, my "mannerism" was that I was fucking skating by the house on a public street, not even looking at the dog. "Furtive"? No. Nor was it furtive when I raised my ASP (though I did not extend it). That action is not what brought the dog barking and charging; it was a response to it, and whether or not that eggs the dog on, I felt it was necessary to be prepared for in case the dog was to try to bite. So much for the wonderful perception the dog has: why did it charge a person skating by? It's not like I was prowling the cellar windows of a house with a flashlight in the dark! well, you approach a dog or property with swinging arms and high-speed, and the dog shouldt not at all be concerned? if i came running at you with my arms raised, that would be of no concern to you too!? skaters and runners trigger a lot of dogs, because its the way a dog would define an attack. admittedly, the dog you were referring to is probably not so well trained. mine doesnt give a shit about skaters and runners. but it doesnt lessen the fact that skaters and runners may be defined as a threat if the dog's not properly trained. that then goes back to the owner, as the puppy is not very likely to get on the phone and call a couple of dog schools up in order to make it a sociable pet.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #98 August 26, 2008 Quote How is this a liberal/conservative thing? Responsible gun ownership is a right enjoyed by every American. I strongly support it, as stated previously. I have, however, met many people who carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out. How many of these people you claim to have met who "carry around guns looking for an excuse to pull them out" HAVE actually pulled them out? And if they haven't, why have they been so inept at managing to find the excuses they are deliberately seeking? And if you don't know the answer, how the fuck is it that you can be claiming that they are going around looking for excuses to draw their firearms? I think you're just talking out your ass. Did you ever SEE someone you've met actually PULL a gun? EVER? Quote My opinion of these people is that they suffer from some sort of general inserurity about themselves, and carrying a lethal weapon makes them feel more like a man. So naturally, your thoughts ran to PENISES. Quote I have also known many people who carry concealed and no one would ever know it. If these were people who were not cops (whom you would have good reason to believe carried concealed when off-duty) then they are going about it wrong. There's no reason for any but a very small few people to know that a given person carries a gun. I don't tell all my friends and acquaintances. My family knows as a matter of course. My best friends know because I trust them with my life, and me theirs. Beyond that, yes, it IS a stupid ego thing to drop word that you carry. Quote From his posts, and the fact that he was ready to draw down on a barking dog, leads me to believe that birdlike is one of the former. If I'm wrong, so be it, but his over the top posts lead me to believe otherwise. I indicated that I was prepared to -- that's why I carry the gun. For protection. Duh. I did not say -- or even imply -- that I was eager to. YOU imputed that bullshit, all on your own. The fact that what I did do was ready the baton, which was already in my hand, and not the gun -- that made a null impression on you, and you instead forced yourself to believe implications that were not in evidence. Quote PS: I like sex. I'm sure any number of us can tell you what it's like; all you have to do is ask. But be patient. It could still happen for you.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #99 August 26, 2008 Quote well, you approach a dog or property with swinging arms and high-speed, and the dog shouldt not at all be concerned? if i came running at you with my arms raised, that would be of no concern to you too!? skaters and runners trigger a lot of dogs, because its the way a dog would define an attack. I was not: - running or skating "at" the dog - having my "arms raised" - moving at "high speed" I was skating south on the right side of the road, turned right (west) and was hugging the right corner (northwest). The dog was on the southwest corner property. I was never heading toward the dog. I was already proceeding westbound when the dog made its advance, so it was quartering toward me on my left rear side when I heard its barking and turned to see its approach. Quote admittedly, the dog you were referring to is probably not so well trained. mine doesnt give a shit about skaters and runners. but it doesnt lessen the fact that skaters and runners may be defined as a threat if the dog's not properly trained. that then goes back to the owner, as the puppy is not very likely to get on the phone and call a couple of dog schools up in order to make it a sociable pet.. The dog was not only not well-trained, it was not well-minded. The owner was an idiot for leaving a yappy, aggressive dog unleashed and unpenned. People walk by there, with kids even, all the time. It's an upper-middle class clean neighborhood full of families and people who walk, jog, skate, bike, etc. You are right, it goes back to the owner, but knowing that the owner, not the dog, is the cause of multiple puncture wounds would not be of comfort to me. Don't people here understand (I'll assume you probably do) that it's reasonable for a person like me to venture out on skates with the means of protection for what is actually a very common eventuality? Where do people get the chutzpah to assert that it's an overreaction to have a defensive weapon available, knowing that dogs do indeed attack people all the friggin' time?!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtrider8e 2 #100 August 26, 2008 Pit bulls are not dangerous dogs, but their owners can make them that way. Pit bulls want to please their owners. They are extremly easy to train and calm. When owners neglect their dogs and train them to be mean, the dog will respond because they want to please their owners. If you train the dog right, you will never have a better dog, I know cuz I have 2 of them and they are the greatest. And guns should never be banned!Arch!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEE. Crap, not another reserve ride!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
