birdlike 0 #1 August 21, 2008 Yeah, something keeps telling me that even if we were to ban guns from the face of the earth, we wouldn't get even an inch closer to solving our real problems. Psychos find a way... Minor fender-bender leads to murderous rampage QuoteA Florida man was arrested after allegedly going on a violent rampage after a minor fender-bender, slashing and stabbing the occupants of a car, then running over and killing a woman who had been riding in another nearby vehicle... I guess we can add this to the folder that contains the stories about 4, 7, 8 people stabbed to death in mass murders in places like Japan and China, with strict gun control so that at least they don't get murdered with GUNS! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtall 0 #2 August 21, 2008 Few guns in London and stabbings are on the rise." 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #3 August 21, 2008 Quote Few guns in London and stabbings are on the rise. Hate to say it (or is it that I love to say it?) but GUNS and SHOOTINGS are on the rise in London, too. Lotta good their attempts to control the crimes by banning the tools have been doing. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #4 August 21, 2008 QuoteHate to say it (or is it that I love to say it?) but GUNS and SHOOTINGS are on the rise in London, too. Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant. The number of overall offences involving firearms fell by 13% in 2006/07 compared to the previous year. Firearms were involved in 566 serious or fatal injuries in 2006/07, compared to 645 the previous year - a drop of 12%. The number of armed robberies involving guns dropped by 3% There were 13% fewer serious and fatal injuries related to gun crimes in 2006/07. The number of reported crimes involving imitation guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07. The number of reported crimes involving air guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07 over 2005/06. Source: UK Home Office Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #5 August 21, 2008 STRAWMAN. No-one has suggested banning guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 August 21, 2008 QuoteSTRAWMAN. No-one has suggested banning guns. Untrue. MANY people suggest exactly that, both in this forum, and from local and national advocacy groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 August 21, 2008 How about this.. ANYONE who commits a crime with a knife or a gun.... gets electro shock to fry ther brains so they can never do it again... or do much of anything other than drool. Would that make you happier?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #8 August 22, 2008 QuoteSTRAWMAN. No-one has suggested banning guns. Yeah... right.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #9 August 22, 2008 Quote Quote Hate to say it (or is it that I love to say it?) but GUNS and SHOOTINGS are on the rise in London, too. Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant. The number of overall offences involving firearms fell by 13% in 2006/07 compared to the previous year. Firearms were involved in 566 serious or fatal injuries in 2006/07, compared to 645 the previous year - a drop of 12%. The number of armed robberies involving guns dropped by 3% There were 13% fewer serious and fatal injuries related to gun crimes in 2006/07. The number of reported crimes involving imitation guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07. The number of reported crimes involving air guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07 over 2005/06. Source: UK Home Office Fine. Maybe you can answer the question, "WHY are there ANY gun crimes in a country that has quite nearly BANNED ALL GUN POSSESSION?" Your stats cite 2006/2007 changes (alleged declines). I wonder why you focus on that year? Could it be because in previous years that occurred after Britain's gun ban went into effect in 1997, gun crime hit heights never seen in Britain before? It seems strange that for a number of years after a gun ban gun crime became more prevalent than it ever had been before tight controls on legal ownership... And here's more fodder for the "whose stats are telling the truth?" war. It helps make my point that your stats selectively focus on a decrease in 2007 that followed huge INCREASES in the post-ban years that preceded 2007: Gun crime soars 35% "Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show. There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year. RECORDED CRIME RISES Overall crime: 9.3% Gun crime: 35% Robbery: 14.5% Domestic burglary: 7.9% Drug offences: 12.3% Sexual offences: 18.2% Source: Home Office That represents an average of 27 offences involving firearms every day in England and Wales, with guns fired in nearly a quarter of cases. Overall crime in the year to September was up 9.3%, with domestic burglary up 7.9%, drugs offences up 12.3% and sex offences up 18.2%." Your cited page includes this statement by the Home Office: "Contrary to public perception, the overall level of gun crime in England and Wales is very low – less than 0.5% of all crime recorded by the police." Gee, what a way to skew perceptions. "0.5% of all crime recorded by the police," huh? I wonder what that figure would be in the U.S. Haven't seen a stat on it. But let's think about it: "all crime recorded by the police" includes petty shoplifting, corporate embezzlement, prostitution, drug possession, jaywalking, unarmed assault and battery... ad nauseum. Of course gun crime is going to represent a very small percentage of all crimes recorded by the police. There are LOADS of other crimes people commit very frequently that never involve guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #10 August 22, 2008 Quote How about this.. ANYONE who commits a crime with a knife or a gun.... gets electro shock to fry ther brains so they can never do it again... or do much of anything other than drool. Would that make you happier?? Of course it would. You'd be taking criminals out of circulation and those of us who have our guns for lawful, moral uses would not have any problem. Unless you're talking about malum prohibitum bullshit "crimes" like having a carry license but carrying into a place where the law defines you as a "criminal" just because you crossed over an imaginary border. Like if a Vermonter drove into Assachusetts, got pulled over for speeding, and they found a gun on him. Oooooh, big criminal, gotta "fry his brain!" Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #11 August 22, 2008 Whatever. Talking to you is about as pointless an exercise as I can imagine. Adios. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #12 August 22, 2008 QuoteWhatever. Talking to you is about as pointless an exercise as I can imagine. Adios. I haven't met the anti-gunner yet who doesn't react like you just did when faced with logic and facts he can't counter.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #13 August 22, 2008 I'm not anti-gun. I just don't like you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #14 August 22, 2008 Quote I'm not anti-gun. I just don't like you. Get in line! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #15 August 22, 2008 Quote I'm not anti-gun. I just don't like you. Oh, um, I thought you said "adios". Not true to your word, then?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #16 August 22, 2008 You could ban death..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 August 22, 2008 what about pointy sticks? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #18 August 22, 2008 anger and jealousy? greed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 August 22, 2008 Quoteall crime recorded by the police Don't forget that it's not counted as a crime unless they get a conviction, either - if the criminal gets off on a technicality, his assault or whatever DOESN'T go on the books.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #20 August 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteall crime recorded by the police Don't forget that it's not counted as a crime unless they get a conviction, either - if the criminal gets off on a technicality, his assault or whatever DOESN'T go on the books. Homicides do.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 August 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteall crime recorded by the police Don't forget that it's not counted as a crime unless they get a conviction, either - if the criminal gets off on a technicality, his assault or whatever DOESN'T go on the books. Homicides do. And if you get past the summary that was slightly dishonest, and intentionally, I believe, you can see homicides. "There were 59 shooting victims in 2006/07 compared to 49 in 2005/06." Now 59 isn't a big number, but this is a 20% increase, in stark contrast to their claim of a 12% decrease in "serious or fatal" shootings. In reference to the point of this thread: "The most common method of killing, at 35 per cent, involved a sharp instrument." Indicated that motive, not available tools, is the key element. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #22 August 23, 2008 Quotewhat about pointy sticks? SHADDAP!! Now... stalk me with that banana!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
