Does Anybody Else Think BH Obama is Losing It?

[rushmc 23]

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Specifics? People spit this out but I see few specifics.

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I do know his energy policy sucks......

I don't like his short term proposals like windfall profits taxes and tapping the strategic reserves but the tire and tune up idea is a good one. If everyone inflated their tires to the proper pressure today then we would save 3.5 million gallons of gasoline by tomorrow. That's about the most simple, effective, short term solution that I can think of.

What do you dislike about the rest of his proposals?

Still lacking many specifics but, I know that is normal for all politions. What I do see here however supports my view that he wishes to move the US toward a Euro socialistic type government. No thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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This may be signficant, but it doesn't change that even without the cell phone voters, he was leading before, and now he's not.

Quite true. The cell phone factor shouldn't affect the trend unless it was the result of a gain or loss of a demographic, which seems unlikely.

[idrankwhat 0]

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Specifics? People spit this out but I see few specifics.

You've gotta read

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I do know his energy policy sucks......

I don't like his short term proposals like windfall profits taxes and tapping the strategic reserves but the tire and tune up idea is a good one. If everyone inflated their tires to the proper pressure today then we would save 3.5 million gallons of gasoline by tomorrow. That's about the most simple, effective, short term solution that I can think of.

What do you dislike about the rest of his proposals?

Still lacking many specifics but, I know that is normal for all politions. What I do see here however supports my view that he wishes to move the US toward a Euro socialistic type government. No thanks

"Trickle down" didn't work. It became "Throw up".
This nation will fail unless we use our resources to invest in its people. That means we need a healthy and well educated population if we're going to lead the world in innovation, or even get by. Investing top down has led to the diversion of those resources to overseas bank accounts and foreign labor forces. That model works great for multinational corporate profits but it lends itself to the cultivation of a nation that is smart enough and wealthy enough to only work and shop at WalMart.

Welfare is welfare, whether it's given to the wealthy or to the poor. People just have to decide where they want that money "invested". I personally think that taking the welfare away from those who don't need it is the first step. And I may be completely wacked in the head but I think that our nation would be better off if we quit throwing money out of the back of trucks in a war zone and quit maintaining a nuclear arsenal that has no peer in favor of educating and maintaining a healthy populace.

Thank you. I relinquish the virtual soap box and my remaining bytes Mr. Moderator.

[rehmwa 2]

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we need a healthy and well educated population if we're going to lead the world in innovation,

agreed,

but have you noticed lately that a whole lot more native born are "investing" in degrees for law and political science and soft social sciences rather than science and engineering and math?

Where will the innovation come from if this is the focus, even if it's offered up free? Seems a trend of taking the easy way out lately.

We'll have very few people building and inventing, and a HUGE glut of people trained and qualified to complain about and punish those few.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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Welfare is welfare, whether it's given to the wealthy or to the poor. People just have to decide where they want that money "invested". I personally think that taking the welfare away from those who don't need it is the first step.

agreed, the trick is determining who "needs" it

the rich and the corps don't - so subsidies should go away for ALL the industries - even the politically popular ones like green energy - and the less popular targets like big oil. Let them survive on the merits of their "innovation". But also, don't have special taxes for the unpopular either. Just treat them all the same.

the poor - how many 'need' it, and how many are just acclimated to it. weaning off that welfare is just as important so people learn to be self sufficient - it's not as popular

welfare has to temporary, and has to very stingy - damaged people, disabled where they can't work, etc

(I'm just as happy to not have to pay for large scale conflicts, either. certainly most stuff can be done smaller scale or more tactically than what we've seen lately....)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[normiss 917]

I've given time to my country, you?
Don't even begin to start with the Brady crap....it was a total waste of time and resources.

[rushmc 23]

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Specifics? People spit this out but I see few specifics.

You've gotta read

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I do know his energy policy sucks......

I don't like his short term proposals like windfall profits taxes and tapping the strategic reserves but the tire and tune up idea is a good one. If everyone inflated their tires to the proper pressure today then we would save 3.5 million gallons of gasoline by tomorrow. That's about the most simple, effective, short term solution that I can think of.

What do you dislike about the rest of his proposals?

Still lacking many specifics but, I know that is normal for all politions. What I do see here however supports my view that he wishes to move the US toward a Euro socialistic type government. No thanks

"Trickle down" didn't work. It became "Throw up".
This nation will fail unless we use our resources to invest in its people. That means we need a healthy and well educated population if we're going to lead the world in innovation, or even get by. Investing top down has led to the diversion of those resources to overseas bank accounts and foreign labor forces. That model works great for multinational corporate profits but it lends itself to the cultivation of a nation that is smart enough and wealthy enough to only work and shop at WalMart.

Welfare is welfare, whether it's given to the wealthy or to the poor. People just have to decide where they want that money "invested". I personally think that taking the welfare away from those who don't need it is the first step. And I may be completely wacked in the head but I think that our nation would be better off if we quit throwing money out of the back of trucks in a war zone and quit maintaining a nuclear arsenal that has no peer in favor of educating and maintaining a healthy populace.

Thank you. I relinquish the virtual soap box and my remaining bytes Mr. Moderator.

Trickel did and does work. But the left will agrue it both ways. Example? Just recently a report came out stating the economy was starting to affect the "rich". This will cause (the report argued) people to lose jobs because the money would not be spent therefore eliminating jobs! Then next lib will argue as you have. Well? Which is it?


Investment in the "people" as you say is the correct thing to do. The difference is if it is going to really work, to really empower people, it has to be the people themselves. And for that to happen the gov has to get off the backs for those who work.
But the left thinks those that work hard should be punished and their money taken from them and given to others through "programs" they (the left) deem good. In reality they (the left) are just buying votes. They (the left) know what is good for the people even if the people dont. Which leads us to why SC justices are soooooo important.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[warpedskydiver 0]

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I care that he fully supported the gun bans in Illinois - IMO in direct violation of the constitution.
THAT concerns me a great deal.

if you want guns go ahead and vote for McCain and then go sign up for the service that way you get to shoot guns all day for the next, we'll say, 4 years.
Cause in case you haven't been paying attention hes not exactly making an exit plan priority.

Edited to add: FWIW, IL is 9 out of 50 for gun safety.
one last edit to add source: http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il

Quoting the Brady campaign is a sure sign that you have not done your homework.

Being that antigun is sure to win people over at the DZ as well.

You and Kallend can spend hours together, holding hands, walking the trails through the woods...

BTW I proudly served my country, when are you going to go take your turn?

[livendive 8]

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if you want guns go ahead and vote for McCain and then go sign up for the service that way you get to shoot guns all day for the next, we'll say, 4 years.

You can do better than guns with him.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[idrankwhat 0]

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agreed,

but have you noticed lately that a whole lot more native born are "investing" in degrees for law and political science and soft social sciences rather than science and engineering and math?

Where will the innovation come from if this is the focus, even if it's offered up free? Seems a trend of taking the easy way out lately.

We'll have very few people building and inventing, and a HUGE glut of people trained and qualified to complain about and punish those few.

Good observations. At a local university you can even get a master's certificate in "government contracting". Oh joy!

[Amazon 7]

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Face it, folks, Americans rightly don't want a president with that kind of name. Anyone who tells you otherwise obviously thinks you're a moron.

How do you think all those morons will react when they wake up on Nov 5th and Barack Hussien Obama is your president elect.

[livendive 8]

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Face it, folks, Americans rightly don't want a president with that kind of name. Anyone who tells you otherwise obviously thinks you're a moron.

Hands up, who can say "John Sinclair McCain the Third" without hearing it in some snooty, elitist, Nigel-the-butler kind of voice?

"Sinclair? The third? Seriously?"

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[skydyvr 0]

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Hands up, who can say "John Sinclair McCain the Third" without hearing it in some snooty, elitist, Nigel-the-butler kind of voice?

Is his wife's name Lovie?

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[idrankwhat 0]

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agreed, the trick is determining who "needs" it

the rich and the corps don't - so subsidies should go away for ALL the industries - even the politically popular ones like green energy - and the less popular targets like big oil. Let them survive on the merits of their "innovation". But also, don't have special taxes for the unpopular either. Just treat them all the same.

I'll have to disagree on the green energy aspect. I see alternatives as being necessary for our national security. Beyond any health, climate or economic debates the reality remains that if we weren't a petroleum based society then we wouldn't be meddling in the governmental affairs of oil rich regions, and as a consequence, we'd have fewer people wishing us harm. Our military would also be used more for protecting our country than it is "protecting our interests".

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the poor - how many 'need' it, and how many are just acclimated to it. weaning off that welfare is just as important so people learn to be self sufficient - it's not as popular

Waste and inefficiency needs to be dealt with fairly and across the board.

[idrankwhat 0]

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Trickel did and does work. But the left will agrue it both ways. Example? Just recently a report came out stating the economy was starting to affect the "rich". This will cause (the report argued) people to lose jobs because the money would not be spent therefore eliminating jobs! Then next lib will argue as you have. Well? Which is it?


Investment in the "people" as you say is the correct thing to do. The difference is if it is going to really work, to really empower people, it has to be the people themselves. And for that to happen the gov has to get off the backs for those who work.
But the left thinks those that work hard should be punished and their money taken from them and given to others through "programs" they (the left) deem good. In reality they (the left) are just buying votes. They (the left) know what is good for the people even if the people dont. Which leads us to why SC justices are soooooo important.

Man, I want to respond but there are so many tangents to go off on.....trickle down, SC justices, CEO pay, corporate bailouts.....etc. I don't have time. It's Friday afternoon, there's a four way competition at the DZ tomorrow, and I have to pack for a vacation.
Oh well, I suppose I'll NEVER have another chance to debate those topics
Have a good weekend (week).

[skittles_of_SDC 0]

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BTW I proudly served my country, when are you going to go take your turn?

I tried, they wont let me serve. Even though pretty much all my disqualifiers were when I was young. depression, asthma, adhd, criminal record. I really wanted to serve...
They just never called me back.

[Amazon 7]

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I tried, they wont let me serve. Even though pretty much all my disqualifiers were when I was young. depression, asthma, adhd, criminal record. I really wanted to serve...
They just never called me back.

You can alwasy try again now...

I hear they have REALLLLLLY lowered those bars nowadays to get warm bodies in.

.. Just think.. you get to travel... get to play with kewl shit... blow shit up....all kinds of usefull stuff.. hell if you try really hard you might even get into a field where they pay you extra even... to jump out of airplanes

[kallend 2,227]

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McCain:
BS, majored in flying, Naval Academy, bottom 1% of his class (actually bottom 0.6%...894th of 899)
Naval aviator (and not a good one, he's crashed 4 Navy planes and 1 ultralight...perhaps he should have studied more), career politician, member of the Keating 5

I gotta get smarter countrymen.

Blues,
Dave

Funny how the right goes all quiet when McCain's membership in the Keating 5 scandal is mentioned. Maybe the GOP thinks ripping off taxpayers for over $2Billion and robbing 21,000 old people of their life savings is just capitalism at work.

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[nerdgirl 0]

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we need a healthy and well educated population if we're going to lead the world in innovation,

agreed,

but have you noticed lately that a whole lot more native born are "investing" in degrees for law and political science and soft social sciences rather than science and engineering and math?

We'll have very few people building and inventing, and a HUGE glut of people trained and qualified to complain about and punish those few.

Worth repeating.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[Muenkel 0]

No, I don't believe Obama is losing it. What I have noticed is it appears to me that he has gone on the defensive since the polls have tightened up and McCain seems more on the offensive.

Picking Biden as his running mate was a smart choice IMO. With the DNC starting, he will receive a bump in the polls. How big that bump will be, I don't know. Whether that bump will last, I don't know. A lot can happen between now and the elections.

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Chris

[rushmc 23]

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No, I don't believe Obama is losing it. What I have noticed is it appears to me that he has gone on the defensive since the polls have tightened up and McCain seems more on the offensive.

Picking Biden as his running mate was a smart choice IMO. With the DNC starting, he will receive a bump in the polls. How big that bump will be, I don't know. Whether that bump will last, I don't know. A lot can happen between now and the elections.

As good an answer as any. As for Biden? I think this choice will bite him badly in the end. I was hoping he would pick him.

As you say, a lot can (and will) happen between now and Nov.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[christelsabine 1]

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As you say, a lot can (and will) happen between now and Nov.

What might that be??

Convention of dems will be by end of Aug., of Reps begin of September.

What "a lot" could happen???

Willing to learn from an insider.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[mnealtx 0]

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With the DNC starting, he will receive a bump in the polls. How big that bump will be, I don't know. Whether that bump will last, I don't know. A lot can happen between now and the elections.

With all the fawning over him that the 'msm' is CURRENTLY doing, I don't see how much more of a bump he can get.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Muenkel 0]

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As you say, a lot can (and will) happen between now and Nov.

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What might that be??

Convention of dems will be by end of Aug., of Reps begin of September.

What "a lot" could happen???

Willing to learn from an insider.

Christel,

The key to this election are the independent voters. They tend to make their decision very late in the game, primarily after the debates. Recent history has shown our presidential elections to be quite tight and this one appears at this point to be no different.

Some factors to consider this year:

-Angry Clinton supporters who feel disenfranchised and are willing to vote for McCain.
-Angry Conservatives who believe McCain is not conservative enough and are willing to not vote.
-Both candidates have not been able thus far to secure complete support from their respective parties.

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Chris

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Some factors to consider this year:

-Angry Clinton supporters who feel disenfranchised and are willing to vote for McCain.
-Angry Conservatives who believe McCain is not conservative enough and are willing to not vote.
-Both candidates have not been able thus far to secure complete support from their respective parties.

When will the (independent ?) "key" holders show their decisions? What kind of voting will it be and when? Are there fixed (latest) dates? There are only few weeks left!

Thank you for explanation,

Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105