What annual income puts you among "The Rich"?

[AggieDave 6]

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>>It's a fact of life that you have to pay back what you borrow.

>Not true.

A lot of people thought as you did a few years back; many of them are now losing their homes. No matter how good the deal sounds, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Did you see my rant? The thing people are doing now is renting thousands of dollars worth of furniture and electronics from Rent-a-Center and the like. Not paying a bill one and moving so the company can't find them. Basically stealing all of that stuff by not paying their bills.

That's their free lunch. Someone pays at some point, but its not those dirtbags.

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>>It's a fact of life that you have to pay back what you borrow.

>Not true.

A lot of people thought as you did a few years back; many of them are now losing their homes. No matter how good the deal sounds, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Did you see my rant? The thing people are doing now is renting thousands of dollars worth of furniture and electronics from Rent-a-Center and the like. Not paying a bill one and moving so the company can't find them. Basically stealing all of that stuff by not paying their bills.

That's their free lunch. Someone pays at some point, but its not those dirtbags.

My best friend is (was, too much stress) a regional manager for ROC. That fucker will skip trace you and find you where ever and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Fucker would hang out in the hood all night and put his foot in your door the min. you opened it. Surprised he's still alive. Balls of steel.

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[rushmc 23]

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... this stupid thread

Feel free NOT to participate, or NOT even to read it.

Way too much fun, so why would I skip it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

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My 3 Daughters told me they love me! My wife kissed me! I have a Warm bed to sleep in ! Great friends to skydive with! I'm rich!

So true!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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... this stupid thread

Feel free NOT to participate, or NOT even to read it.

Way too much fun, so why would I skip it?

First you complain about it, then you say it's stupid, now it's fun. Having a hard time being a "decider"?

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... it won't kill you to be honest.

I disagree.

Now we know the truth ...being honest will kill kallend.

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Anybody who thinks 100K/yearly is rich, is probably a looser with low asperations. I am sure there are plenty of them to go around

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Thats hilarious considering that I have a Bachelours in Mathematics and have taken math classes that you probably could never dream of understanding.

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Now although I have impressed myself with my blackberry, I am done typing in this tiny keyboard.

Holy crap. Your ego is absolutely staggering. So far, it's the only thing that's even remotely impressive about you.

Sheesh.

It would be more impressive if he was posting from his iphone and had a PhD in Applied Mathematics but he only has a Bachelors in Math... and a BB.

feh. how common.

See when I read the ego statement, I didn't understand the logic in it, so I just took it to mean, "I am lost in this conversation but wanted to add the PA", and hence ignored it.

But since its clear that some feelings were hurt because of my degree and blackberry, let me do some damage control here. I didn't mention my degree to make the swooperboy or anybody feel like I accomplished more in life than him or them. I mentioned it because it was funny that somebody actually told me, a mathematician, that *I* should take a math class.

Just as well, I didn't mention my blackberry to rub it in to the same group that I had a toy they probably didn't have. As a matter of fact, I HATE my blackberry. I really dispise it. My company pays for it so that they could keep me on a virtual leash. That is, if they have a problem after business hours or during the weekend they can email me, and they expect me to put everything else aside. I only mentioned it because, I really was tired of typing into the small keyboard and was going to therefore back off of the conversation. But for those of you whose feelings may be hurt (Ian), its ok. Trust me, my blackberry is not really a perk.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[ianmdrennan 2]

That's ok Bruno, you didn't hurt my feelings at all. No apologies necessary on that.

I don't need to get in a pissing match with you about salary, degrees, life accomplishments to make myself feel better. I'm quite secure in what I have, what I own, and what I've done.

It appears the same cannot be said for you. Typically people who toot their own horn, at every opportunity, really are trying hard to convince themselves, and others, at how special they really are. You have quite a history my friend, both online and offline.

Most of us see through that crap.

Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

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That's ok Bruno, you didn't hurt my feelings at all. No apologies necessary on that.

I don't need to get in a pissing match with you about salary, degrees, life accomplishments to make myself feel better. I'm quite secure in what I have, what I own, and what I've done.

It appears the same cannot be said for you. Typically people who tote their own horn, at every opportunity, really are trying hard to convince themselves, and others, at how special they really are. You have quite a history my friend, both online and offline.

Most of us see through that crap.

Ian

I can totally agree with this statement but I will add this. Insecure people can also read into comments in passing the wrong way. That is when somebody mentions use of a blackberry or a degree, they might think the person was bragging when indeed it was just part of the conversation.

I won't address the salary issue, because I have never posted my salary and don't intend to. I have posted what I think about somebody who thinks 100K is rich and I stand by that. I have nothing against somebody who lives of a 50k or less salary. However, in my opinion this person is foolish if they think that somebody who makes 100K is "rich".

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[kallend 2,148]

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... it won't kill you to be honest.

I disagree.

Now we know the truth ...being honest will kill kallend.

Selective snipping is not "the truth" except in your mind.

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[TomAiello 26]

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...if a republican is elected, your kids will see their taxes raised far more than that. Money is not free; it's a fact of life that you have to pay back what you borrow.

That's a pretty sweeping generalization. Ron Paul is a republican, and I'd expect a Paul presidency to cut spending, taxes and debt.

As far as McCain and Obama, I think they're both likely to keep the government living beyond it's means. They'll just spend our children's money on different things. I personally prefer McCain by a hair because wars generally end at some point, but entitlement programs go on forever, growing bigger and more bloated all the time.

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[kallend 2,148]

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I mentioned it because it was funny that somebody actually told me, a mathematician, that *I* should take a math class.

A "bachelours" (sic) in mathematics does not make anyone a mathematician. Maybe you should take some graduate classes to learn the difference between a function and its derivative .

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I mentioned it because it was funny that somebody actually told me, a mathematician, that *I* should take a math class.

A "bachelours" (sic) in mathematics does not make anyone a mathematician. Maybe you should take some graduate classes to learn the difference between a function and its derivative .

I have always been of the understanding that having a degree in math makes one a mathematician. However, if I am wrong and you prove it I will give you that. I am not one to stubbornly hold on to an opinion based on an error in fact.

I'll grant that being a practicing physics professor you are keeping up with your math skills better than I am, being that I graduated in 97 and have not had any working use of abstract or advanced mathematics of any kind since.
However, I am still well aware of a function and its derivative. The National Debt being the function and is derivative being the the deficit and the derivative of that being the change in the deficit. Just as the derivative of position with repect to time, is velocity with respect to time, and the derivative of that is accelartion with respect to time and the derivative of that is a jerk with respect to time.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[kallend 2,148]

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I mentioned it because it was funny that somebody actually told me, a mathematician, that *I* should take a math class.

A "bachelours" (sic) in mathematics does not make anyone a mathematician. Maybe you should take some graduate classes to learn the difference between a function and its derivative .

I have always been of the understanding that having a degree in math makes one a mathematician. However, if I am wrong and you prove it I will give you that. I am not one to stubbornly hold on to an opinion based on an error in fact.

I'll grant that being a practicing physics professor you are keeping up with your math skills better than I am, being that I graduated in 97 and have not had any working use of abstract or advanced mathematics of any kind since.
However, I am still well aware of a function and its derivative. The National Debt being the function and is derivative being the the deficit and the derivative of that being the change in the deficit. Just as the derivative of position with repect to time, is velocity with respect to time, and the derivative of that is accelartion with respect to time and the derivative of that is a jerk with respect to time.

My wife is a mathematician. She has a PhD in mathematics and is a college professor of mathematics. YOU, my friend, are NOT a mathematician any more than someone with a BA in journalism is a journalist, or someone with a BA in business is a businessman.

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I mentioned it because it was funny that somebody actually told me, a mathematician, that *I* should take a math class.

A "bachelours" (sic) in mathematics does not make anyone a mathematician. Maybe you should take some graduate classes to learn the difference between a function and its derivative .

I have always been of the understanding that having a degree in math makes one a mathematician. However, if I am wrong and you prove it I will give you that. I am not one to stubbornly hold on to an opinion based on an error in fact.

I'll grant that being a practicing physics professor you are keeping up with your math skills better than I am, being that I graduated in 97 and have not had any working use of abstract or advanced mathematics of any kind since.
However, I am still well aware of a function and its derivative. The National Debt being the function and is derivative being the the deficit and the derivative of that being the change in the deficit. Just as the derivative of position with repect to time, is velocity with respect to time, and the derivative of that is accelartion with respect to time and the derivative of that is a jerk with respect to time.

My wife is a mathematician. She has a PhD in mathematics and is a college professor of mathematics. YOU, my friend, are NOT a mathematician any more than someone with a BA in journalism is a journalist, or someone with a BA in business is a businessman.

I really, really don't care about titles. For that reason, I specified that what I have is any undergrad. If I look up mathematician as I have, I get this:
math·e·ma·ti·cian Audio Help (māth'ə-mə-tĭsh'ən) Pronunciation Key
n. A person skilled or learned in mathematics.
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I think that having taken Calculas 1 through 5, Abstract Algebra, Graph Theory, Combinatorix, Math Models, Linear Algebra, and I don't remember what else, will certainly make me skilled in mathematics.

But if you have a source that says, that those who do not have atleast a Phd don't make the cut, I am fine with that.

Actually, if I was just out of college again, and wanted to get into math-related work, I still probably would not go to graduate school. I think I would focus my energy on passing the Actuarial exams. I can't remember what they call people who passed 7 exams. But I know I would rather be that than a Phd holder.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[kallend 2,148]

Oooh - now we're all impressed.

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Oooh - now we're all impressed.

Impressed why, because I went to dictionary.com and pulled up the definition of mathematician, which did not fit your interpretation? Or because I named a few math classes that as a physics professor you should already know?

Or is it that you just ran out of attacks because your definition didn't fit dictionary.com, so the default is to make a meaningless attack?

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[wmw999 2,588]

This is a funny thread. It's trying to take a word that's full of connotation (rich) and come up with a specific definition of it. But the connotation is going to override the denotation every time.

And they wonder why scientists make up new words for stuff sometimes -- the old ones have too many commonly-used meanings!

In some ways, rich is being able to look down your nose at "the little people." My current income and lifestyle would place me among Steel's loosers (sic), but among the wealthiest in a number of countries. So does that make me rich or a loser? Of course, I don't have a blackberry to tie me to work like a dog. Does that make me rich or unimportant.

We pretty much all have enough to argue about self-realization. We're close to the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Since a huge portion of the world doesn't care about that part because of where they are, I'd have to say that on a global plane, we're all pretty rich. We're only arguing about who's the richest of the rich.

Well, either that or the definition of a mathematician

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Oooh - now we're all impressed.

eeeehhhhh hhhhaaawwwwww

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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I personally prefer McCain by a hair because wars generally end at some point,

The current administration has set this one up to go on forever.... the war that keeps on giving far into the future.. ensuring a steady income for those who have benefited most from all that raiding of our treasury...why... because they have the contracts to prove it.

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My current income and lifestyle would place me among Steel's loosers (sic), but among the wealthiest in a number of countries.
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Steel's definition of a looser never said anything about the income one earns. It stated the perception that one has about what is rich.
I don't believe a six figure salary is so difficult to attain that only the very lucky ones can have it. If one feels so powerless about their earning potential that they can sit back and say, "oh I could never be one of the very lucky rich ones making six figure incomes", then I do describe that individual as a looser with very low asperations.

Even if you can't attain a 6 figure salary and could only get 50K, you should know the extra $961. weekly after taxes will not elevate your your lifestyle to the level of the very wealthy.

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No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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I am still well aware of a function and its derivative. The National Debt being the function and is derivative being the the deficit and the derivative of that being the change in the deficit.

Not quite. For example, Clinton showed a budget surplus (aka negative deficit) for the last three years of his administration. However, the debt still increased. Using your definition, a negative derivative of the function caused positive growth of the function.

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Actually, if I was just out of college again, and wanted to get into math-related work, I still probably would not go to graduate school. I think I would focus my energy on passing the Actuarial exams.

I would recommend obtaining a better grasp of the application of mathematics than you have demonstrated in this thread before registering to sit for any of those examinations.

Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

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I am still well aware of a function and its derivative. The National Debt being the function and is derivative being the the deficit and the derivative of that being the change in the deficit.

Not quite. For example, Clinton showed a budget surplus (aka negative deficit) for the last three years of his administration. However, the debt still increased. Using your definition, a negative derivative of the function caused positive growth of the function.

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It seems like you are the one that is not understanding. Either that or you are just trying to confuse the issue. The reason for which I said velocity is the derivative of position and not speed, is because velocity has direction, whereas speed doesn't.

That being said as usual, this is turning to the silly game of gotcha. The bottomline, is that what mattered to me in this case was the DEBT when Clinton took office and what it was it when they left. That is what he accomplished. The Debt went up all the way through because even during time in which he had "surplus". The surplus was so small that it did not even cover the interest that was already being accured.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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I don't need to get in a pissing match with you about salary, degrees, life accomplishments to make myself feel better.............It appears the same cannot be said for you.....

that's some great pissing

in fact, with all the pissing from all directions, I can't tell who is the one that had asparagus lately - either way, it stinks

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