kelpdiver 2 #101 August 18, 2008 Quote "Pigmentally challenged" implies inferiority do you prefer "cancer magnet" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #102 August 18, 2008 Quote Quote I bet you're not really white anyway, more like a pinkish tan if you're like me. If it bugs you, ask people not to call you that. If they insist, then put them in your "politically incorrect" category and never speak to them again. Problem solved. KEWL.....I can see it now.. a boogie picture of Jeffrey....and brainy Bill Labled.. Pinkie and the Brain. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #103 August 18, 2008 Quote At least "African-American" is more accurate than "black", just as "European-American" is more accurate than "white". Any anthropoligist will tell you there are no distinct & separate "races" or other ethnic groups that can be properly designated as "blacks" or "whites". The whole black/white thing has been bullshit from the start. They never existed. Still trying to convince us you're white? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #104 August 20, 2008 QuoteNone the less, I think your arguements were completely spinning circles going no where. If Oriental can refer to objects from Southeast Asia, it would be logical to assume that it refers to people from Southeast Asia too. When you can find me an advertisement for an Oriental rug that was not built in a Southeast Asian country, then your arguement might make sense. For the record once again, India is not in Southeast Asia, and is therefore not Oriental. On the Oriental rug theme: (1) Jacobsen Oriental Rugs: Weaving in Pakistan “Bokhara production is centered around the city of Lahore. The name for this type comes from the city of Bukhara in Uzbekistan. A century ago rugs in designs like modern Bokharas were woven by Turkomans north of present day Afghanistan. Turkomans bartered rugs for goods they could not produce themselves, and many of their weavings accumulated in bazaar cities like Bokhara. Eventually the name of the city became associated with the rugs themselves, and this historical misnomer continues today.” (2) Egyptian Oriental Rugs “Solomon's Egyptian Sample Pieces From Egypt - Produced By Original and Authentic Solomon Sources, where only Solomon's has only the finest original Egyptian rugs at superior luxury value. Please note that these are only a sample of the fine Solomn Egyptian rugs available at our showroom and online store.” (3) Rugs Direct Oriental “The origin of most modern Oriental rugs are: Iran, India, China, Turkey, Nepal/Tibet, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Republic of Azerbaijan, Republic of Turkmenistan, Romania. “The origin of the majority of antique Oriental rugs are: Persia, India, China, Turkey, France, (assume those are second hand pieces, as opposed to indigenous weavers of Chamonix) Afghanistan and the Caucasus Region which includes Azerbaijan, Armenia. Georgia and Turkestan.” (4) Rugs of India Advertising links to “Fine Orientals” “Lifestyle Orientals” and “Budget Orientals” “We are the trusted wholesale dealers and manufacturers for Indian handmade rugs, oriental carpets, area rugs, decorative rugs & home textiles. Discover the beauty, quality and variety in our exclusive collections. The magic is in the weave.” (5) Iran Oriental Rug Company “Iran Oriental Rug Company is the oldest as well as the only Oriental rug cleaning company in Augusta, Georgia and has served the area for over 57 years.” (6) Turkish Oriental Rugs “In our site you will find the finest handmade Turkish oriental rugs, decorative pillows, kilim pillows, soumak pillows, patchwork cushions and kilims. We provide a useful and informative guide about handmade oriental rugs & kilims and offer online shopping facility for ordering all these items.” (7) Oriental Rugs History “During the past century, the Oriental rug has become valued throughout the world as a work of art. With its rich history and color, the Oriental rug often is called the aristocrat of carpets. Although the Oriental rug of today may not soar through the air like the magic carpet of Arabian legend, the Oriental rug does perform magic, transforming interior spaces into extraordinary spaces. “Historically, the great carpet-producing areas include Turkey, Persia, the Caucasus and Turkestan. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, India and China also must be added to the list. And under Arab influence, Spain, too, has produced hand-knotted rugs of distinction. “Although there are references to carpets by early Greek and Arab writers, just when the first Oriental rug was woven is unknown. In 1949, a Russian archaeological expedition to the Altai mountains in southern Siberia excavated a royal burial mound that contained a miraculously preserved frozen carpet, Known as the Pazyryk carpet, it was used as a saddle cover for a horse interred in the burial mound. Beautifully designed, the rug dates from the 4th or 5th century B.C. and is the earliest-known surviving example of a hand-knotted carpet. “One theory is that the technique of knotting carpets was begun by the nomadic tribes of Central Asia. The wandering nomads are credited with spreading the art of carpet-making to new lands and peoples. “Some of the greatest carpet-making centers developed in Persia and Turkey. “Carpet-making probably has been taking place in Turkey at least as long as in Persia. After his visit in 1271 to the Turkish region known as Anatolia, Italian traveler Marco Polo described the area's carpets, with their geometric designs and animal figures, as the most beautiful in the world. “It was primarily through Italian merchants that the Oriental rug became recognized and valued in Europe. Venice early established itself as a major trading trader with the East. Venetians spread Oriental rugs along their narrow streets, hung the rugs from windows and used them to decorated their gondolas. By the early 16th century, Oriental rug collections could be found in the great courts of Europe, including those of Catherine de Medici and Charles V. The Lord Chancellor of England, Cardinal Wolsey, is reported to have purchased 60 Turkish carpets from a Venetian dealer to furnish his palace at Hampton Court. Remarkably there are few references to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Laos, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam) or much of the East Asia (Japan, the Koreas, Taiwan), the geographic areas and diverse ethnic groups to which you so stubbornly want to assign the term “Oriental.” /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #105 August 20, 2008 Nice one, Marg. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #106 August 20, 2008 Thanks … in thinking about oriental rugs, something about which I have never invested much squishy gray matter, from a Jared Diamond-esque perspective it makes complete sense that oriental rugs would *not* originate from Southeast Asia or even most of Japan (except perhaps higher altitude areas of Hokkaido). Two reasons: climate & prevalence of domesticatable animals. Climate: Very rarely are heavy, wool rugs useful in hot, humid areas. I’m confident that others can attest better than I to the climate of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Philippines, Singapore, etc and how inappropriate a thick, heavy, water-logged carpet would be. There is no significant history of any kind of rugs within most of Japan. Tatami (bamboo) & goza (grass) mats are traditional floor coverings. Wool rugs are useful in hot, dry areas or in cold areas. Sheep: They were domesticated in the Middle East. Sheep are less common and more recent introductions to hot humid areas (like most of Japan & Southeast Asia). Japan, in particular, has had problems with sheep being susceptible to tropical diseases to which they don’t have natural resistance (to tie in one more Diamond-esque theme ). VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #107 August 20, 2008 Quote Nice one, Marg. A little better than a mathematician must have a Phd because I say so, regardless of what webster says, ehhIf I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #108 August 20, 2008 OK Marg, who are you and where do you come from? You are entirely too intelligent to be human. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #109 August 20, 2008 Quote OK Marg, who are you and where do you come from? You are entirely too intelligent to be human. I think "Marg" is just a pseudonym she uses so she can keep her real identity secret.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #110 August 20, 2008 Quote Quote OK Marg, who are you and where do you come from? You are entirely too intelligent to be human. I think "Marg" is just a pseudonym she uses so she can keep her real identity secret. The dedicated T3 line and Cray cluster for her searches doesn't hurt either, eh Marg? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #111 August 20, 2008 Quote OK Marg, who are you and where do you come from? You are entirely too intelligent to be human. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think "Marg" is just a pseudonym she uses so she can keep her real identity secret. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The dedicated T3 line and Cray cluster for her searches doesn't hurt either, eh Marg? I could have a dedicated T3 line and Cray cluster, but I still would not be able to post the info Marg does. People excel in different areas, but Marg seems to excel in every area. I do mean that as a compliment to you Marg. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psychoswooper 2 #112 August 23, 2008 QuoteSo how do the Brits refer to "African-Americans" then? The only Brit I ever really knew called them "sooties" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #113 August 24, 2008 Quote Quote I was thinking about this as I read the newspaper recently. I was reading an article that could not refer to blacks as "African-Americans" because the blacks were, I think, Canadian. I was under the impression the term "black" was the preferred adjective for news reporting. I was just about to look it up when I decided instead to eat a bunch of caramels. Ya done the right thing. Ya done good.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #114 August 24, 2008 Quote So I've made peace with the fact that I am, and will always be, just an all American boy from New York City . . . NickD Yeah, but, ("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?") Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #115 August 24, 2008 Quote meaning of Ding Dong- Black on the outside White inside.. and another term Twinkie= asian on the outside and white inside.... Is there one for white on the outside, black on the inside? I see folks who'd fit that description all the time. Never heard a "funny term for it," though.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #116 August 24, 2008 Wiggers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #117 August 24, 2008 Quote Wiggers *tsk* Besides that!! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
