councilman24 37 #1 August 14, 2008 Okay, Hillary gets to have a roll call vote. Obama doesn't have enough 'pledged' delegates to win the nomination with out a substantial majority of super delegates. Super delegates can vote how they want. Delegates needed - 2,118 Obama Clinton Total - 2229.5 1896.5 Super Delegates - 823 463 257 Pledged Delegates - 3434 1766.5 1639.5 Enough super delegates jump ship, Clinton could be nominated. Shoot, we don't even know how many super delegates will be there. Kwami in Detroit may be on an electronic tether and not be able to go. Ted K.'s health may not allow him. The numbers are soft. Vast left wing conspiracy or wild musings of someone bored at work? No I don't really believe this. All hell would break loose and guarentee McCain's election. But, hmmmmmmm. I bet Bill want's to work on this.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #2 August 14, 2008 This is one of the things wrong with the democrats. "If it's close, we don't trust you, so we'll let the Washington insiders decide." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #3 August 14, 2008 I think there is slim to no chance that Hillary would be nominated. I also agree with Dick Morris that the Clintons do want McCain to win so Hillary can run in '12. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #4 August 14, 2008 Quote Okay, Hillary gets to have a roll call vote. Obama doesn't have enough 'pledged' delegates to win the nomination with out a substantial majority of super delegates. Super delegates can vote how they want. Delegates needed - 2,118 Obama Clinton Total - 2229.5 1896.5 Super Delegates - 823 463 257 Pledged Delegates - 3434 1766.5 1639.5 Enough super delegates jump ship, Clinton could be nominated. Shoot, we don't even know how many super delegates will be there. Kwami in Detroit may be on an electronic tether and not be able to go. Ted K.'s health may not allow him. The numbers are soft. Vast left wing conspiracy or wild musings of someone bored at work? No I don't really believe this. All hell would break loose and guarentee McCain's election. But, hmmmmmmm. I bet Bill want's to work on this. I think it's more about Clinton keeping her word to her supporters so that the more reluctant among them will support Obama rather than staying home or supporting McCain. It might also be a way to help Obama (publicly) justify choosing Clinton as a running mate. In other words, I think it's symbolic only, not a real attempt to get the nomination. Personally, I see it as a good thing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #5 August 14, 2008 Just heard a report that it was Hillary that didn't want a roll call with him name in nomination. but gotta stir the pot I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 August 14, 2008 QuoteI think there is slim to no chance that Hillary would be nominated. I also agree with Dick Morris that the Clintons do want McCain to win so Hillary can run in '12. Even if Senator Obama wins, the "Clinton Machine" will still try to position the "need" for a new nominee in 2012.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #7 August 14, 2008 QuoteJust heard a report that it was Hillary that didn't want a roll call with him name in nomination. Link?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 August 14, 2008 QuoteIn other words, I think it's symbolic only, not a real attempt to get the nomination. It would appear so. Some of her supporters are still pretty bitter. There's no chance she'll get the nomination this way. She would have to refuse it were it to play out that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 August 14, 2008 Didn't we discuss this like a week ago? It's SYMBOLIC. There is no way in hell she's actually trying to grab the nomination.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #10 August 14, 2008 Ooooooooh I hope so. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 August 14, 2008 QuoteDidn't we discuss this like a week ago? It's SYMBOLIC. There is no way in hell she's actually trying to grab the nomination. Even less so. It's a sham. It's an effort by the Dems to show how apart they were, and then they'll come together. A few of the superdelegates pledged to Hillary will find out they lost and then make rousing speeches about unity and moving forward as one party to defeat the evil Republicans. I don't think Hillary wants to be POTUS anymore. I think she'll be Health Czar. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 August 14, 2008 I think, Hillary has been brow-beating and bribing Obama to be V.P. By bribing, I refer to her inferrence that she could swing 'super-dooper' deligates to his side. Under the guise of 'party unity'. If, Obama does chose 'her royal cuntness', I think, it would be political suicide on his part. JMO Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 August 15, 2008 QuoteIf, Obama does chose 'her royal cuntness', I think, it would be political suicide on his part. Again, not going to happen. I can ONLY think of one reason to choose Hilary, but it does not outweigh the negative aspects of her being on the ticket so it's a lose/lose situation. Obama knows this.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf, Obama does chose 'her royal cuntness', I think, it would be political suicide on his part. Again, not going to happen. I can ONLY think of one reason to choose Hilary, but it does not outweigh the negative aspects of her being on the ticket so it's a lose/lose situation. Obama knows this. You're probably right and I can appreciate your confidence. It's just that I've found, when it comes to politicians, you just never know what might be up their sleeve. In support of your thinking, I would like to think that Obama is smarter than to chose her. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #15 August 15, 2008 Quote I would like to think that Obama is smarter than to choose her. Does Senator Obama have any viable alternative(s) that will strengthen the Democratic bid for office? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,466 #16 August 15, 2008 Hi Terry, I find your posting interesting. Something about like minds thinking alike?????? I've been 'playing' with the same thoughts since I found out earlier today that her name will be placed in nomination. She (and BillyBoy) is one person that I simply do not trust. JerryBaumchen PS) If I remember correctly Lincoln got the nomination on the 4th ballot after a deadlocked convention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuote I would like to think that Obama is smarter than to choose her. Does Senator Obama have any viable alternative(s) that will strengthen the Democratic bid for office? I hope to God he does! Certainly, there has to be 'someone' he can chose. That woman is just plain evil!!! I would like to think for once, there is actually a candidate who really wants to try to do some good for this country. Hillary, on the other hand, has her own 'agenda' and couldn't care less about 'we the people'. Just my feeling. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #18 August 15, 2008 Quote Does Senator Obama have any viable alternative(s) that will strengthen the Democratic bid for office? Yes, including but not limited to -- Senator Sam Nunn (Georgia, former chair Senate Armed Services Committee, offered SecDef twice by President Bush before Mr. Rumsfeld) -- Governor Bill Richardson (New Mexico, former Ambassador, former Sec of Energy) -- Governor Tim Kaine (Virginia) -- Senator Evan Bayh (Indiana, currently on SASC) -- Governor Kathleen Sebelius (Kansas) -- Senator Joe Biden (Delaware, currently chair Senate Foreign Relations Committee) VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 August 15, 2008 Nunn certainly stands out as a ticket strengther. Provided they get along. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #20 August 18, 2008 QuoteNunn certainly stands out as a ticket strengther. Provided they get along. Nunn ? As in Sam "Nobdy Can Beat George HW Bush in '92" Nunn ? Isn't that guy dead YET ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #21 August 18, 2008 I think Gov. Richardson would be the best choice for the democrats...let's hope he chooses someone else! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #22 August 18, 2008 QuoteNunn certainly stands out as a ticket strengther. Provided they get along. It's my understanding that Sen Nunn has been advising Sen Obama regularly since March of 2007. Sen Nunn endorsed Sen Obama in April. Last Saturday, Sen Obama cited Sen Nunn as "particularly wise advisor." My speculation is Sen Nunn would accept a VP spot out of sense of duty but would strongly prefer Secretary of State. Even George Will likes him. Others are also speculating about how/if a VP Nunn would impact Georgia in the electoral votes. Although I doubt Sen Obama ranks it high on his priorities, Sen Saxby Chambliss -- who previously was thought to be completely "safe" -- may not be. In a recent poll, former State Senator (& veteran) Jim Martin is trailing Sen Chambliss by only 6 points, as opposed to 11 points before the Democratic run-off election. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 August 18, 2008 To paraphrase something I saw online: I'll believe Hillary's campaign is over when I see it lying in a pool of holy water with a garlic-coated stake through it's heart.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 August 18, 2008 Quote To paraphrase something I saw online: I'll believe Hillary's campaign is over when I see it lying in a pool of holy water with a garlic-coated stake through it's heart. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
