Forcing businesses to provide for illegal workers

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You guys are starting to make my head hurt.

[billvon 3,114]

>Home Depot isn't saying "come here and wait for work".

Correct. Nor is the neighbor telling the cats "come here and eat." If Home Depot provides the customers, materials and pickup trucks, workers will arrive as surely as the cats will arrive if you let people at your parties leave food around.

>So, because his property just happens to be on a travel path for the
>mice, he's responsible for sheltering the cats?

It's time, I think, to stop doing the deliberate ignorance thing and have a beer. It is Friday, after all.

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It's time, I think, to stop doing the deliberate ignorance thing and have a beer. It is Friday, after all.

Yeah, the analogy, while useful, was starting to get a little strained.

Enjoy your beer - none here for me!

Mike
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It's time, I think, to stop doing the deliberate ignorance thing and have a beer. It is Friday, after all.

Yeah, the analogy, while useful, was starting to get a little strained.

Enjoy your beer - none here for me!

A beer doesn't sound like a bad option when put up next to SC...lol.

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[birdlike 0]

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So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them?



So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this?

No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order.

I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers.

What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot?

How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported!

Ah, your same old end of civilization as we know it argument. OK, carry on.

No, my point is that if legal businesses are forced by the law to cater specifically to those who are clearly breaking the law, on top of having no legal right to gather and loiter on private property, then the law is completely upside-down. And if we can't have laws that punish the lawbreakers instead of taking from the law abiders to reward the lawbreakers, things are truly fucked up.

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Problem is that just "shipping them back" doesnt solve the illegal immigration issue (ie. they just come right back and try again). Something must be done to deter them from coming over illegaly in the first place.

You mean, like, they could maybe put some of the effort they put into sneaking here into FIXING THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY?!

How many people can pile into a lifeboat before the lifeboat becomes useless to all of them?

The U.S.A. is being treated like a lifeboat by illegal immigrants. It will only float for so long if people keep jumping into it. Eventually it will sink just like the boat they jumped out of.

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[birdlike 0]

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>Home Depot isn't saying "come here and wait for work".

Correct. Nor is the neighbor telling the cats "come here and eat." If Home Depot provides the customers, materials and pickup trucks, workers will arrive as surely as the cats will arrive if you let people at your parties leave food around.

The Home Depot is not a party to what shoppers and contractors who make purchases at their store do when they leave. They cannot stop those contractors from agreeing to employ the illegal immigrants (or legal ones) who linger around the store. They are not doing anything but selling stuff inside the store, and providing a place for customers to park.

I am with mnealtx, the police should be called, and they should do their job and cart off the squatters.
You can't say that The Home Depot is "causing" this, or even aiding/abetting it. They are simply in business to sell items.

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[shropshire 0]

Or get animal control to get rid of the mice, then the cats wont come either.... in theory.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Or get animal control to get rid of the mice, then the cats wont come either.... in theory.

Are we losing track of who the mice and cats are in this analogy, hmm?

I think it started out that the cats are the illegals who show up to pick up whatever there is to "eat". The mice are the meal-ticket (the folks who decide to employ the lackadaisical loitering laborers lavished upon us by liberals' largesse).

If that's the case, then you're talking about getting rid of the customers (contractors, etc.) who shop at the store. Hardly a worthy goal here.

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[shropshire 0]

You could be right. my mistake.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Andy9o8 2]

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I remember when Canada's dollar was worth LESS than ours.

Still is, despite the current exchange rate. You just need to think globally, and strategically.

[Andy9o8 2]

There's a concept in the law called an "attractive nuisance". It usually applies to children (like fence-in your construction site or be held liable if a kid gets hurt when - predictably - he enters the site on Sunday to play with all the cool stuff), but there are some apt parallels here. Home Depot type places attract day laborers, and they (company owners/managers) are well aware of it. So they can't simply turn a blind eye to it and wash their hands of the problem - they're members of the local community, and they have a social responsibility to the neighborhood - at least to the extent that the store's presence affects that neighborhood.

Arguably, the store benefits, in that sales may be boosted by contractors coming to do 1-stop shopping (like the "leveling compound & laborers" example cited above.) On the other hand, I imagine there's also a detriment to the store, from some other customers staying away from the store for dislike of walking the gauntlet in the parking lot. So the store needs to weigh it in the balance and figure out where its net benefit lies: allowing the laborers on site, or keeping them off? If it's a net loss to the store have them on site, then take the responsibility to keep them off. If it's a net benefit to the store, then take the responsibility to accommodate them enough so they're not a public nuisance. Don't want to do either? Fine - just don't set up your big-box store there.

[masterrig 1]

You can argue cats and mice all day long. 25 -30 yrs. from now, the cats will be the majority. Those statistics are from our own census bureau. What are you going to do then? We should have done something 40-yrs. ago. All the talking won't stop the population increase we are seeing. Think about it.


Chuck

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You can argue cats and mice all day long. 25 -30 yrs. from now, the cats will be the majority. Those statistics are from our own census bureau. What are you going to do then? We should have done something 40-yrs. ago. All the talking won't stop the population increase we are seeing. Think about it.
Chuck

I wasn't even addressing the xenophobia angle.

[masterrig 1]

Are you saying I'm a xenophobe? I was just stating a fact.


Chuck

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Fuck that. People cost money.

That's the price we'd pay for ignoring the problem for the last forty years! We've had our head in the sand for so long and sympathizing with them that we never looked ahead to the future. Well, the future is here.


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[Andy9o8 2]

Well, all I know is you don't hear people bitching a-boot all those droves of spindly, flannel-wearing Canucks pouring to Minnestoa and the Dakotas: "Oh, just wait - in another 20 years we'll all be drinking Moosehead and playing baseball with brooms." No sirree.

[masterrig 1]

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Well, all I know is you don't hear people bitching a-boot all those droves of spindly, flannel-wearing Canucks pouring to Minnestoa and the Dakotas: "Oh, just wait - in another 20 years we'll all be drinking Moosehead and playing baseball with brooms." No sirree.

I can at least understand those folks... eh! Molson's ain't all that bad.


Chuck

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Well, all I know is you don't hear people bitching a-boot all those droves of spindly, flannel-wearing Canucks pouring to Minnestoa and the Dakotas: "Oh, just wait - in another 20 years we'll all be drinking Moosehead and playing baseball with brooms." No sirree.

I can at least understand those folks... eh! Molson's ain't all that bad.


Chuck

The Mexicans have some good beer too and they pick the shit outta veggies for cheap. So when they meet in the middle (somewhere, say Colorado) we call em Cannuksacans or Mexinuks and the beer Molsxxxs? They can all pick hops and barley.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[masterrig 1]

That there's funny... I don't care who you are!


Chuck

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You can argue cats and mice all day long. 25 -30 yrs. from now, the cats will be the majority. Those statistics are from our own census bureau. What are you going to do then? We should have done something 40-yrs. ago. All the talking won't stop the population increase we are seeing. Think about it.
Chuck

I wasn't even addressing the xenophobia angle.

Is it really called "xenophobia" to be concerned that your way of life, your quality of life, and your own culture are under threat of being subsumed by a population that are not even in your country legally? Hardly. If it were any other culture, and it was white Americans loading into the place and demanding English be printed everywhere, etc. etc., there would be an outcry that we were destroying the indigenous culture.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Is it really called "xenophobia" to be concerned that your way of life, your quality of life, and your own culture are under threat of being subsumed by a population that are not even in your country legally?

The push-poll style of your question notwithstanding:
Yes.

[masterrig 1]

I meet 'strangers' every day and they don't 'frighten' me. If, what birdlike is saying is what you call 'xenophobia' then, I guess, I am one. We are letting this country go to the highest bidder. We are letting intruders change our lifestyle. You talk about an invasion! The way we have allowed illegals into this country is a damned shame. I'm tired of saying that if, they want to come here legally... great! If, they want to come here illegally and benefit from what we have to offer, to me, that's flat stealing! The very sad part about it is we don't do anything to stop it. We just go along with it. I'm concerned about our very soveriegnty! I've heard all the claims about what wonderful workers they are. Great! Let them be 'legal' wonderful workers. To be honest, I don't think you really care. To me, defending 'criminals' just isn't right. Those who do care, are given '$5.00 word' labels and we're the ones out of line. I just don't see the logic there. I care about this country and where it's headed. If, that's being a xenophobe... count me in!


Chuck

[billvon 3,114]

>Is it really called "xenophobia" to be concerned that your way of life,
>your quality of life, and your own culture are under threat of being
>subsumed by a population that are not even in your country legally?

Yes. One sees the same sort of fear when black families start moving into a neighborhood of provincial white families. "What will happen to our schools? You know, they all do illegal drugs; our neighborhood is going to go down the shitter! It's not unamerican to protect our property values and our way of life!"

A better solution would be to enforce the laws against drug use (and illegal immigration) and let people live however they want to live - whether it involves a new language, new kinds of food, a different culture or different architecture. Change is both good and necessary; that which stagnates dies.

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A better solution would be to enforce the laws against drug use . . . and let people live however they want to live . . .

Hmm, there is something wrong with this sentence.