Forcing businesses to provide for illegal workers

[millertime24 8]

Problem is that just "shipping them back" doesnt solve the illegal immigration issue (ie. they just come right back and try again). Something must be done to deter them from coming over illegaly in the first place.

Muff #5048

[Amazon 7]

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Yeah that is very sensible

I knew you would see the light eventually.

[masterrig 1]

True story! That's why I said, fine the hell out of those who employ illegals. I mean stiff fines. No jobs... no illegals. Take that fine money and pay more Border Patrol Agents. Also, rather than having our National Guard in Iraq... put them on our borders and give them 'real' bullets, this time. We just lost another Patrol agent recently, gunned-down by illegals.

[millertime24 8]

Fuck that. People cost money. I say just build 2 really large fences on the boarder with about 50yds between them. Line the entire fence with razor wire. Also, put razor wire in the gap along with land mines. Post signs every 25-30ft along the fence in spanish (see I'm not cruel) saying "CAUTION MINES!!". And that doesnt cost anything to maintain. Just the initial start up.

If the bastards still get across then I would say let them stay they have a trade.

Muff #5048

[shropshire 0]

That'll start a whole new evening entertainment... Throwing rocks over the fence top watch the fireworks .... OOOOOOOO, Aggggghhhhhh

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[millertime24 8]

Typical AP mines have to have a certain amount of preasure exerted before arming. Usually its in the range of 50-60lbs. I damn sure cant throw a 50lb rock over a 12' fence.

Comon. Im an "idea" guy.

Muff #5048

[masterrig 1]

I like your style! Seriously, we really do need to clamp-down on our borders. There was supposed to have been a fence from the Gulf to the New Mexico line along the border of Texas, comprised of 3 rows of fence. Our illustrious governor here, wants only 1 row of fence. We are selling-off this country more and more each day. I guess, it's the old adage... money talks and...


Chuck

[millertime24 8]

Problem is eveyone wants to pay as little as possible for the most ammount of work they can get out of that person, and when it comes to illegals you pretty much cant beat em'. Just one more nail in the coffin of what we like to call our economy.

BTW, I remember when Canada's dollar was worth LESS than ours.

Muff #5048

[akarunway 1]

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Also, maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be providing facilities for ALL of their employees. Typically, what do these casual workers do for the companies? If they are doing a job that needs to be done then the people should be treated like any other human being that works for the company.

What goes on is that the day laborers/illegal immigrants loiter in the parking lots of the hardware stores. When contractors come in to buy supplies for a job, they often also need some temporary labor to help do that job. So the laborers swarm the trucks of contractors, all jockeying to get on board for some work. The laborers don't work for the hardware store at all - they're just loiterers to them. But while they hang out for hours in the parking lot, they're trashing the place, and frightening customers. Whatever you do when you drive in, try NOT to look like a contractor who's looking for day laborers, or they'll swarm like a hive of Mexican killer bees.

I agree with AggieDave that the stores shouldn't have to provide facilities for people who are trespassing on their property.

If the city is that concerned about this issue, they should build day labor centers for them, where laborers and contractors can come to match up with each other for services. Home Depot is not the place for this.

Agreed. Stopped in a Popeys chicken place awhile back (for food). 20 sombitches jumped in the back of the S-10 and put it on the ground. Good reason to have a gun.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[masterrig 1]

Some of them are down-right craftsmen. Then too, i've seen a lot of their work that was'nt worth a hoot. I'll tell ya'... if, we don't get after it and do something about the problem, here in about 25-30 years, we'll be singing a different anthem at athletic events.


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

Stopped in a Popeys chicken place awhile back (for food). 20 sombitches jumped in the back of the S-10 and put it on the ground. Good reason to have a gun.

Awwwwwww, man! You had a chopped chort, Dude!


Chuck

[JohnRich 4]

Let's say that a homeless man decides to camp out on your front lawn, defecating in your grass, and spreading trash all around.

Do you think the state should require you to let the man inside daily for a shower and hot meal, provide him with a port-john, and make you pick up his trash?

Or would you just call the police and have the unwanted bum removed from your property?

[quade 4]

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Let's say that a homeless man decides to camp out on your front lawn, defecating in your grass, and spreading trash all around.

Do you think the state should require you to let the man inside daily for a shower and hot meal, provide him with a port-john, and make you pick up his trash?

Or would you just call the police and have the unwanted bum removed from your property?

Your scenario isn't quite the same thing as is going on here though.

Suppose it was your next door neighbor and he was feeding feral cats. Suppose further that the cats crapped on YOUR lawn and were a general nuisance.

I certainly wouldn't expect YOU to have to deal with the cats and I also wouldn't hold the government accountable. There seems to me to be only one entity that should have to either clean up the mess or deal with the issues caused by it; the guy that IS the thing that attracts them to begin with.

That "guy" needs to either; shoo them off (which in this case is going to be bad for his business) or provide for certain amenities so they don't annoy the neighbors.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[mnealtx 0]

Um, no.

The guy isn't feeding the cats - they showed up uninvited.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>The guy isn't feeding the cats - they showed up uninvited.

He's not leaving food out for the cats - but he is providing food in his backyard where the cats can get to it. And cats being what they are, they eat it.

[mnealtx 0]

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>The guy isn't feeding the cats - they showed up uninvited.

He's not leaving food out for the cats - but he is providing food in his backyard where the cats can get to it. And cats being what they are, they eat it.

No. HE isn't providing food at all. Other people are leaving food in the backyard.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>HE isn't providing food at all. Other people are leaving food in the backyard.

Fair enough. His friends are bringing him food; he likes to have lots of barbecues and he just leaves everything out when he's done. Whose fault is it that lots of cats end up there?

[Amazon 7]

That is obvious.. its all CLintons fault..

[mnealtx 0]

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>HE isn't providing food at all. Other people are leaving food in the backyard.

Fair enough. His friends are bringing him food; he likes to have lots of barbecues and he just leaves everything out when he's done. Whose fault is it that lots of cats end up there?

Nope - try again.

HE isn't leaving anything out. The cats are on his property hoping to catch mice, so explain to me why HE has to provide kennel space for them instead of animal control taking them to the pound?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>HE isn't leaving anything out. The cats are on his property hoping to catch mice . . .

Ah. So the parallel would be that the Home Depot is closed, and the people are there just rooting around the parking lot for loose nails or whatever. In that case, I agree - Home Depots that are closed have no responsibility for what happens in their parking lots.

[mnealtx 0]

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>HE isn't leaving anything out. The cats are on his property hoping to catch mice . . .

Ah. So the parallel would be that the Home Depot is closed, and the people are there just rooting around the parking lot for loose nails or whatever. In that case, I agree - Home Depots that are closed have no responsibility for what happens in their parking lots.

Nope - but nice misdirect.

No parellel. Prove why he should have to build kennels and feed the cats instead of Animal Control taking them to the pound.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[masterrig 1]

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>HE isn't providing food at all. Other people are leaving food in the backyard.

Fair enough. His friends are bringing him food; he likes to have lots of barbecues and he just leaves everything out when he's done. Whose fault is it that lots of cats end up there?

Nope - try again.
HE isn't leaving anything out. The cats are on his property hoping to catch mice, so explain to me why HE has to provide kennel space for them instead of animal control taking them to the pound?

Maybe if, the guy stood-up and did something about the 'cats' that are causing others grief, might be more appreciated for having a 'pair'. Make sense?


Chuck

[billvon 3,111]

>Nope - but nice misdirect.

Just using your example. If the neighbor does nothing in his yard that draws cats (if Home Depot does nothing that draws day laborers) then he has no responsibility.

If the neighbor does things that are known to attract cats (if Home Depot draws lots of customers and provides pickup trucks) then they have a responsibility to deal with the results. Doesn't mean they have to house them, but it does mean they bear some responsibility for the environment they've created.

>Prove why he should have to build kennels and feed the cats instead of
>Animal Control taking them to the pound.

He shouldn't - but he is partly responsible for the problems they cause, if his actions draw them to the area. A good first step would be talking to the neighbors to see what sort of problems need to be dealt with.

[mnealtx 0]

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>Nope - but nice misdirect.

Just using your example. If the neighbor does nothing in his yard that draws cats (if Home Depot does nothing that draws day laborers) then he has no responsibility.

NOW you're getting it. Home Depot isn't saying "come here and wait for work".

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If the neighbor does things that are known to attract cats (if Home Depot draws lots of customers and provides pickup trucks) then they have a responsibility to deal with the results. Doesn't mean they have to house them, but it does mean they bear some responsibility for the environment they've created.

So, because his property just happens to be on a travel path for the mice, he's responsible for sheltering the cats? I don't think so.

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A good first step would be talking to the neighbors to see what sort of problems need to be dealt with.

A better first step would be for Animal Control to take the cats to the pound - you know, do their JOB??

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Lindsey 0]

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Problem is that just "shipping them back" doesnt solve the illegal immigration issue (ie. they just come right back and try again). Something must be done to deter them from coming over illegaly in the first place.

Hey, what ever happened to those killer bees that were coming here from Mexico a while back? Did they die off or did they go back home?

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