livendive 8 #26 August 14, 2008 QuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? It doesn't seem to me that this law prevents that. It's AggieDave's assertion that the casual workers/laborers are illegals. I'm quite certain the law doesn't say that Home Depot must provide for illegal workers. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 August 14, 2008 Nope... and if I thought I could go to jail.. I sure as hell would check.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #28 August 15, 2008 I'm just referencing my personal experience in terms of groups of day labor persons standing around waiting for work. The ability or inability to speak English isn't a factor in my determination. Its from talking to a lot of these guys and finding out their legal status.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #29 August 15, 2008 Quote What percentage of day laborers are legal? What would be your best guess? Basically I think its asinine that you have persons basically squatting a property for personal gain and now the property is having to provide for the squatters. I live right next to a Home Depot in SoCal. I go there frequently. I'd say 99.99%.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #30 August 15, 2008 Quote Just out of curiosity, why don't these business call the cops and get these guys removed from their property? Is it because it benefits them to have their customers have an available supply of labor right there? the city has made it pretty much impossible to do that, and forbids the police from doing any checks. They pretty much can't be arrested, even if caught red handed committing a crime.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #31 August 15, 2008 So why doesn't Home Depot engage volunteers to check the work credentials of those wishing to enter the shelter. No papers, must not be a day labourer, no entry. Contractors who hire from the shelter, no problem. Contractors who hire outside, INS has probable cause (maybe). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #32 August 15, 2008 > So why doesn't Home Depot engage volunteers to check the work > credentials of those wishing to enter the shelter. Because here's what would happen: "Let me see your papers." "I don't have any papers, I'm a US citizen." "Well, then, you can't come in." "OK, fine. I'll just stand here by the exit lane." And nothing changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,465 #33 August 15, 2008 Hi Aggie, I'm with you; this kind of stuff is as looney as it gets. Now tie that in with the news tonight that 'minorities' will be over 50% of the US population by 2050 and just take a couple of guesses what type of legislation you will be seeing.JerryBaumchen PS) Now I suppose I'll get arrested because the Latino who mows my lawn is illegal; good thing my son is an attorney. Paying for his law school might just turn out to be the best investment I ever made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #34 August 15, 2008 Quote So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? That's what is so truly fucked up about advocates for illegal workers. They have to contort into paradoxes just to get what they want for people who have no right to even be here. Quote The shelters must be easily accessible and include drinking water, bathrooms, tables, seating and trashcans. The stores may be required to work with Los Angeles police in developing a security plan, according to the unanimous vote by the 15-member lawmaking body. People who live near Home Depot stores have complained of day laborers drinking beer, urinating in yards or other unseemly behavior. The National Day Laborer Organizing Network, a nonprofit group started in Northridge in 2001, supports the new requirements. "It provides for safe and dignified hiring locations where contingent workers can defend their basic rights. It carefully balances the interests of business, residents, day laborers and their employers," said the group's executive director, Pablo Alvarado. So at their own expense, these businesses have to provide safety and dignity to people who are criminals just for being there. They have to give up their control of their own private property, and by extension give up control of a portion of their own fortune to give this stuff for free to the laborers. What the fuck is this guy talking about regarding "dignity"?! These are people who have given up their dignity willingly. Or are the neighbors who complain about them pissing and drinking beer and fighting and stuff all lying? What a sickening state of affairs. If I were the owner of such a business, I'd tell the legislators to fuck themselves, I'd call the cops and swear out trespassing complaints on the illegals on a daily basis, and if they wanted to haul me into court, I'd say, "I'll see you before Justice Alito, motherfuckers!" Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #35 August 15, 2008 Quote > So businesses can't legally hire them . . . They can legally hire day laborers, just not illegal aliens. As an addendum to the law, there should be a provision that requires free coffee and donuts be available to police and INS officers at these shelters. You are just evil enough that I'm starting to like you, Billvon. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #36 August 15, 2008 QuoteThanks, that's much clearer now and I agree with your conclusions. Stick with JohnRich. I don't think I've ever known him to end up wrong about things. At least, not in the threads I've read. The guy just doesn't open his mouth unless he knows what the fuck he's talking about.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #37 August 15, 2008 Quote Quote Shouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? You sound like a Republican. So did Amazon. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #38 August 15, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Shouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? You sound like a Republican person who obeys the law and uses logic and reasoning. Fixed it for you. "Can you dig it?! I knewwww thatcha coulllld! Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #39 August 15, 2008 QuoteNope... and if I thought I could go to jail.. I sure as hell would check.. Sort of like if you were going to sell a gun to someone as a private seller at a gun show. The law (what some call the "loophole") does not obligate you to do a background check but will hold you accountable if the person you sell your gun to is prohibited from buying firearms. Now, is there a law that mandates employers (of anyone) checking to see that they have legal status, or is it just like with the guns, where nobody makes you check, but making a mistake can get you into trouble?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 August 15, 2008 Quote Now I suppose I'll get arrested because the Latino who mows my lawn is illegal; good thing my son is an attorney. Paying for his law school might just turn out to be the best investment I ever made. It may be. He'll probably weigh the cost of preventive action vs. the expense - and your chances of prevailing in - "remedial" action, and tell you, "Dad, this is illegal, and if you get cited, you're probably going to lose. Maybe you should quit while you're ahead." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #41 August 15, 2008 QuoteSo businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #42 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this? No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order. I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers. What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot? How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #43 August 15, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this? No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order. I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers. What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot? How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported! Ah, your same old end of civilization as we know it argument. OK, carry on. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #44 August 15, 2008 New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut recently joined the ranks of sanctuary cities. In these sanctuary cities, the police are not allowed to ask anyone their immigration status so how do you expect anyone to determine whether these casual laborers are legal to work?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #45 August 15, 2008 I agree with you! What is so wrong with asking a person for proof that they are a citizen? I can recall, back when I was a kid applying for a job, I had to have proof (birth certificate, Social Security card, driver's license and etc.), that I was who I said I was and a citizen of this country. I never had a problem with that. I wanted the damned job! Now days, asking for 'proof' that someone is a citizen is offensive and a personal affront and against their civil rights, to the person being asked. It seems, we haven't learned a thing from 9/11. Forcing businesses to provide shelter is total crap! The way I see it is, if, laborers are supplied with shelter, let them pay for it. Charge a daily fee. If, they don't have the money... they don't stay. Allow the police or Border Patrol to check each one of them for citizenship. If, they start trouble, arrest them. It ain't rocket science. I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #46 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? It doesn't seem to me that this law prevents that. It's AggieDave's assertion that the casual workers/laborers are illegals. I'm quite certain the law doesn't say that Home Depot must provide for illegal workers. Blues, Dave\ This sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #47 August 15, 2008 QuoteThis sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals. I don't know what "just as" means: the companies are guilty of hiring illegals the people are guilty of breaking residency laws different crimes - need to be treated as such I don't see how some treat it as an either/or kind of thing. Makes no sense. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #48 August 15, 2008 Quote I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant. I have traveled a bit to other countries... and just going as a tourist.. I had to jump thru a MYRIAD of hoops. I also applied for a couple jobs in the past that were out of the country.. and SHIT.. it was so much of a pain in the ass with paperwork in those countries I said screw it and found other jobs here at home in the US. Bottom line.. I cant think of ANYPLACE else in the world with immigration laws as LAX and unworkable as they are here. If we need laborers SOOO badly to replace all the F@#$@# dregs we have on welfare who will NOT work.... then there needs to be a system to do that for employers. I have NO sympathy whatsoever for those who are breaking our laws. They need to go home.. PERIOD.. to THEIR countries... and if they want to come to America.. let them get in line with the other people who ARE coming here that way. I have even LESS tolerance for employers who flaunt our own laws and profit from it. Last time I checked that makes them criminals and they need to be dealt with accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #49 August 15, 2008 Quote That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.... They all need to prove they have the documents to WORK in this country.. and should all be picked up if they dont. THEN have the police run stings on the slimebags who hire them KNOWING they are illegal.. No papers.. no work. Even with massive "illegal" influx you want to prosecute them hardest over having pursued regular labour work (aka non-violent contribution). Quote That is the fastest way to solve the illegal immigration issue.. put the people that hire them in jail Yeah that is very sensible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #50 August 15, 2008 Once again, I agree with what you say!!! Other countries have immigration laws and they enforce them. We have some very good immigration laws on the books but, because of bought-off politicians and 'big business', those laws aren't enforced. Like everything else in this country, our politicians do just enough to smoothe-over the citizens but, it's not enough. It just pisses me off, that anybody and everybody can just come into this country and do whatever they want. You and I know, they aren't all coming here to do 'menial' labor! Many of them join gangs here and get into the drug business and many of them are criminals to begin with. On the other side of the coin, you have honest folks who like you said, get in line to become citizens. If, they want to go about it 'legally'... great. If, they don't... sack 'em up and send 'em home! They are breaking our laws. They just thumb their noses at us as they stroll across our border. The Mexican govt. for example, prints pamphlets on the safest and best way for illegals to come to this country. It's mind boggling! Then, we have the bleeding-hearts in this country who want to give the illegals sanctuary, amnesty and actually help 'illegals' settle in this country. Bull-shit! This country is just too damned soft. I say, fine the hell out of employers who hire illegals and close our borders. We need to get serious about it. What really gets me is, those politicians in Washington sit back and say; 'We don't have a problem on our border!' They need to get off their fat pratts and come down here and see for themselves... we got a problem!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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birdlike 0 #42 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this? No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order. I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers. What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot? How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #43 August 15, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this? No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order. I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers. What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot? How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported! Ah, your same old end of civilization as we know it argument. OK, carry on. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #44 August 15, 2008 New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut recently joined the ranks of sanctuary cities. In these sanctuary cities, the police are not allowed to ask anyone their immigration status so how do you expect anyone to determine whether these casual laborers are legal to work?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #45 August 15, 2008 I agree with you! What is so wrong with asking a person for proof that they are a citizen? I can recall, back when I was a kid applying for a job, I had to have proof (birth certificate, Social Security card, driver's license and etc.), that I was who I said I was and a citizen of this country. I never had a problem with that. I wanted the damned job! Now days, asking for 'proof' that someone is a citizen is offensive and a personal affront and against their civil rights, to the person being asked. It seems, we haven't learned a thing from 9/11. Forcing businesses to provide shelter is total crap! The way I see it is, if, laborers are supplied with shelter, let them pay for it. Charge a daily fee. If, they don't have the money... they don't stay. Allow the police or Border Patrol to check each one of them for citizenship. If, they start trouble, arrest them. It ain't rocket science. I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #46 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? It doesn't seem to me that this law prevents that. It's AggieDave's assertion that the casual workers/laborers are illegals. I'm quite certain the law doesn't say that Home Depot must provide for illegal workers. Blues, Dave\ This sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #47 August 15, 2008 QuoteThis sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals. I don't know what "just as" means: the companies are guilty of hiring illegals the people are guilty of breaking residency laws different crimes - need to be treated as such I don't see how some treat it as an either/or kind of thing. Makes no sense. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #48 August 15, 2008 Quote I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant. I have traveled a bit to other countries... and just going as a tourist.. I had to jump thru a MYRIAD of hoops. I also applied for a couple jobs in the past that were out of the country.. and SHIT.. it was so much of a pain in the ass with paperwork in those countries I said screw it and found other jobs here at home in the US. Bottom line.. I cant think of ANYPLACE else in the world with immigration laws as LAX and unworkable as they are here. If we need laborers SOOO badly to replace all the F@#$@# dregs we have on welfare who will NOT work.... then there needs to be a system to do that for employers. I have NO sympathy whatsoever for those who are breaking our laws. They need to go home.. PERIOD.. to THEIR countries... and if they want to come to America.. let them get in line with the other people who ARE coming here that way. I have even LESS tolerance for employers who flaunt our own laws and profit from it. Last time I checked that makes them criminals and they need to be dealt with accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #49 August 15, 2008 Quote That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.... They all need to prove they have the documents to WORK in this country.. and should all be picked up if they dont. THEN have the police run stings on the slimebags who hire them KNOWING they are illegal.. No papers.. no work. Even with massive "illegal" influx you want to prosecute them hardest over having pursued regular labour work (aka non-violent contribution). Quote That is the fastest way to solve the illegal immigration issue.. put the people that hire them in jail Yeah that is very sensible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #50 August 15, 2008 Once again, I agree with what you say!!! Other countries have immigration laws and they enforce them. We have some very good immigration laws on the books but, because of bought-off politicians and 'big business', those laws aren't enforced. Like everything else in this country, our politicians do just enough to smoothe-over the citizens but, it's not enough. It just pisses me off, that anybody and everybody can just come into this country and do whatever they want. You and I know, they aren't all coming here to do 'menial' labor! Many of them join gangs here and get into the drug business and many of them are criminals to begin with. On the other side of the coin, you have honest folks who like you said, get in line to become citizens. If, they want to go about it 'legally'... great. If, they don't... sack 'em up and send 'em home! They are breaking our laws. They just thumb their noses at us as they stroll across our border. The Mexican govt. for example, prints pamphlets on the safest and best way for illegals to come to this country. It's mind boggling! Then, we have the bleeding-hearts in this country who want to give the illegals sanctuary, amnesty and actually help 'illegals' settle in this country. Bull-shit! This country is just too damned soft. I say, fine the hell out of employers who hire illegals and close our borders. We need to get serious about it. What really gets me is, those politicians in Washington sit back and say; 'We don't have a problem on our border!' They need to get off their fat pratts and come down here and see for themselves... we got a problem!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jenfly00 0 #43 August 15, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? So, chicken little, you see significant problems resulting from this? No, not really--just the breakdown of law and order. I mean, they're being ordered to provide services to people who are lawbreakers. What's next, homeowners being ordered to give milk and cookies to burglars? To provide pillowcases for carrying stolen loot? How do you get around the obvious absurdity of this? If they are known to be these illegal immigrant laborers in the first place, they should be being rounded up and deported, not SUPported! Ah, your same old end of civilization as we know it argument. OK, carry on. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #44 August 15, 2008 New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut recently joined the ranks of sanctuary cities. In these sanctuary cities, the police are not allowed to ask anyone their immigration status so how do you expect anyone to determine whether these casual laborers are legal to work?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #45 August 15, 2008 I agree with you! What is so wrong with asking a person for proof that they are a citizen? I can recall, back when I was a kid applying for a job, I had to have proof (birth certificate, Social Security card, driver's license and etc.), that I was who I said I was and a citizen of this country. I never had a problem with that. I wanted the damned job! Now days, asking for 'proof' that someone is a citizen is offensive and a personal affront and against their civil rights, to the person being asked. It seems, we haven't learned a thing from 9/11. Forcing businesses to provide shelter is total crap! The way I see it is, if, laborers are supplied with shelter, let them pay for it. Charge a daily fee. If, they don't have the money... they don't stay. Allow the police or Border Patrol to check each one of them for citizenship. If, they start trouble, arrest them. It ain't rocket science. I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #46 August 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? It doesn't seem to me that this law prevents that. It's AggieDave's assertion that the casual workers/laborers are illegals. I'm quite certain the law doesn't say that Home Depot must provide for illegal workers. Blues, Dave\ This sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 August 15, 2008 QuoteThis sounds like a fair punishment on the comanies that hire them in the first place. These comanies are just as guilty as the illegals. I don't know what "just as" means: the companies are guilty of hiring illegals the people are guilty of breaking residency laws different crimes - need to be treated as such I don't see how some treat it as an either/or kind of thing. Makes no sense. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #48 August 15, 2008 Quote I'm tired of people just waltzing into this country and setting-up house keeping without citizenship. We need stricter enforcement of our immigration laws. The days of an 'open door' are long gone and trying to keep it is nuts. I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes to close and protect our borders. Sorry, for the rant. I have traveled a bit to other countries... and just going as a tourist.. I had to jump thru a MYRIAD of hoops. I also applied for a couple jobs in the past that were out of the country.. and SHIT.. it was so much of a pain in the ass with paperwork in those countries I said screw it and found other jobs here at home in the US. Bottom line.. I cant think of ANYPLACE else in the world with immigration laws as LAX and unworkable as they are here. If we need laborers SOOO badly to replace all the F@#$@# dregs we have on welfare who will NOT work.... then there needs to be a system to do that for employers. I have NO sympathy whatsoever for those who are breaking our laws. They need to go home.. PERIOD.. to THEIR countries... and if they want to come to America.. let them get in line with the other people who ARE coming here that way. I have even LESS tolerance for employers who flaunt our own laws and profit from it. Last time I checked that makes them criminals and they need to be dealt with accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #49 August 15, 2008 Quote That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.... They all need to prove they have the documents to WORK in this country.. and should all be picked up if they dont. THEN have the police run stings on the slimebags who hire them KNOWING they are illegal.. No papers.. no work. Even with massive "illegal" influx you want to prosecute them hardest over having pursued regular labour work (aka non-violent contribution). Quote That is the fastest way to solve the illegal immigration issue.. put the people that hire them in jail Yeah that is very sensible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #50 August 15, 2008 Once again, I agree with what you say!!! Other countries have immigration laws and they enforce them. We have some very good immigration laws on the books but, because of bought-off politicians and 'big business', those laws aren't enforced. Like everything else in this country, our politicians do just enough to smoothe-over the citizens but, it's not enough. It just pisses me off, that anybody and everybody can just come into this country and do whatever they want. You and I know, they aren't all coming here to do 'menial' labor! Many of them join gangs here and get into the drug business and many of them are criminals to begin with. On the other side of the coin, you have honest folks who like you said, get in line to become citizens. If, they want to go about it 'legally'... great. If, they don't... sack 'em up and send 'em home! They are breaking our laws. They just thumb their noses at us as they stroll across our border. The Mexican govt. for example, prints pamphlets on the safest and best way for illegals to come to this country. It's mind boggling! Then, we have the bleeding-hearts in this country who want to give the illegals sanctuary, amnesty and actually help 'illegals' settle in this country. Bull-shit! This country is just too damned soft. I say, fine the hell out of employers who hire illegals and close our borders. We need to get serious about it. What really gets me is, those politicians in Washington sit back and say; 'We don't have a problem on our border!' They need to get off their fat pratts and come down here and see for themselves... we got a problem!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
