AggieDave 6 #1 August 14, 2008 So businesses can't legally hire them, but they have to provide for them? http://www.knbc.com/news/17183208/detail.html QuoteLOS ANGELES -- Big-box, home-improvement stores in Los Angeles will have to set aside space for day laborers under an ordinance passed by the City Council on Wednesday. When the ordinance takes effect -- the mayor has to sign it, and most city laws take effect 30 days afterward -- it will apply to stores such as The Home Depot that have 100,000 square feet or more, or any structure where 250,000 square feet or more of warehouse floor area is added. The shelters must be easily accessible and include drinking water, bathrooms, tables, seating and trashcans. The stores may be required to work with Los Angeles police in developing a security plan, according to the unanimous vote by the 15-member lawmaking body. People who live near Home Depot stores have complained of day laborers drinking beer, urinating in yards or other unseemly behavior. The National Day Laborer Organizing Network, a nonprofit group started in Northridge in 2001, supports the new requirements. "It provides for safe and dignified hiring locations where contingent workers can defend their basic rights. It carefully balances the interests of business, residents, day laborers and their employers," said the group's executive director, Pablo Alvarado. Francisco Uribe, senior manager of government relations for The Home Depot, said the corporation does not oppose the day laborer centers. "Although the complex challenges associated with the presence of day laborers are not specific to one industry nor one company, The Home Depot recognizes that some of our stores in the city of Los Angeles are impacted," Uribe said. "The Home Depot has and will continue to work with the city of Los Angeles and other key stakeholders in the various communities where The Home Depot operates to jointly address these challenges," Uribe said. City Councilman Richard Alarcon singled out The Home Depot for attracting day laborers, saying other big-box stores do not have the same kind of problems. "Lowe's doesn't have the problem. And you ask yourself 'why don't we see massive (numbers of) day laborers at Lowe's?' The reason is they target women. It's very clear that their marketing scheme is more focused on interior design-type customers," Alarcon said. The Community Development Department already operates 11 day-laborer sites in the city. Grant funding is used to maintain the facilities at an annual cost of $180,000.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #2 August 14, 2008 > So businesses can't legally hire them . . . They can legally hire day laborers, just not illegal aliens. As an addendum to the law, there should be a provision that requires free coffee and donuts be available to police and INS officers at these shelters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 August 14, 2008 What percentage of day laborers are legal? What would be your best guess? Basically I think its asinine that you have persons basically squatting a property for personal gain and now the property is having to provide for the squatters. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #4 August 14, 2008 Quote> So businesses can't legally hire them . . . They can legally hire day laborers, just not illegal aliens. As an addendum to the law, there should be a provision that requires free coffee and donuts be available to police and INS officers at these shelters. And tax auditors. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #5 August 14, 2008 Do these businesses receive any compensation from the day laborers?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 August 14, 2008 Shouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #7 August 14, 2008 > What percentage of day laborers are legal? What would be your best >guess? Down here around 40%. >Basically I think its asinine that you have persons basically squatting >a property for personal gain and now the property is having to provide >for the squatters. Around here, the city built a few shelters on public property for just that purpose - and most of them are legal because the INS does regular checks. That's probably a better solution than requiring stores to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 August 14, 2008 QuoteAround here, the city built a few shelters on public property for just that purpose. That's probably a better solution than requiring stores to do it. That makes your city better and provides for everyone in an equal manner. Now forcing businesses to do it, that is what is bothering me.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 August 14, 2008 Also, maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be providing facilities for ALL of their employees. Typically, what do these casual workers do for the companies? If they are doing a job that needs to be done then the people should be treated like any other human being that works for the company. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #10 August 14, 2008 >maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be >providing facilities for ALL of their employees. They're not employees. They are day laborers who simply use the parking lot as a way to recruit business since many people who go to Home Depot need yardwork done. It's like the panhandlers who hang out in front of Target because people come out with change. (You wouldn't consider them employees, would you?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #11 August 14, 2008 QuoteDo these businesses receive any compensation from the day laborers? Besides labor?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 August 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteAround here, the city built a few shelters on public property for just that purpose. That's probably a better solution than requiring stores to do it. That makes your city better and provides for everyone in an equal manner. Now forcing businesses to do it, that is what is bothering me. Well, the businesses certainly haven't done anything to improve the neighborhood on their own and without law requiring them to do so, why should they? To be nice? Seriously? Have you ever seen a business do anything even remotely like this without being forced? And it certainly shouldn't fall on the next door neighbors shoulders to bear the burden of the attractive nuisance that is the Home Depot parking lot. After all, if the Home Depot wasn't there certainly the day laborers wouldn't be there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #13 August 14, 2008 Quote>maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be >providing facilities for ALL of their employees. They're not employees. They are day laborers who simply use the parking lot as a way to recruit business since many people who go to Home Depot need yardwork done. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I didn't get that from the article.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #14 August 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo these businesses receive any compensation from the day laborers? Besides labor? The businesses don't receive any labor from them."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 August 14, 2008 Then I am mistaken... They are casuals but NOT for the companies whose car parks they are using. In which case the car park owners have no responsabiliy for them. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 August 14, 2008 QuoteAlso, maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be providing facilities for ALL of their employees. Typically, what do these casual workers do for the companies? If they are doing a job that needs to be done then the people should be treated like any other human being that works for the company. What goes on is that the day laborers/illegal immigrants loiter in the parking lots of the hardware stores. When contractors come in to buy supplies for a job, they often also need some temporary labor to help do that job. So the laborers swarm the trucks of contractors, all jockeying to get on board for some work. The laborers don't work for the hardware store at all - they're just loiterers to them. But while they hang out for hours in the parking lot, they're trashing the place, and frightening customers. Whatever you do when you drive in, try NOT to look like a contractor who's looking for day laborers, or they'll swarm like a hive of Mexican killer bees. I agree with AggieDave that the stores shouldn't have to provide facilities for people who are trespassing on their property. If the city is that concerned about this issue, they should build day labor centers for them, where laborers and contractors can come to match up with each other for services. Home Depot is not the place for this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 August 14, 2008 Thanks, that's much clearer now and I agree with your conclusions. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #18 August 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteAlso, maybe I'm missing something but the companies SHOULD be providing facilities for ALL of their employees. Typically, what do these casual workers do for the companies? If they are doing a job that needs to be done then the people should be treated like any other human being that works for the company. What goes on is that the day laborers/illegal immigrants loiter in the parking lots of the hardware stores. When contractors come in to buy supplies for a job, they often also need some temporary labor to help do that job. So the laborers swarm the trucks of contractors, all jockeying to get on board for some work. The laborers don't work for the hardware store at all - they're just loiterers to them. But while they hang out for hours in the parking lot, they're trashing the place, and frightening customers. Whatever you do when you drive in, try NOT to look like a contractor who's looking for day laborers, or they'll swarm like a hive of Mexican killer bees. I agree with AggieDave that the stores shouldn't have to provide facilities for people who are trespassing on their property. If the city is that concerned about this issue, they should build day labor centers for them, where laborers and contractors can come to match up with each other for services. Home Depot is not the place for this. Just out of curiosity, why don't these business call the cops and get these guys removed from their property? Is it because it benefits them to have their customers have an available supply of labor right there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 August 14, 2008 That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.... They all need to prove they have the documents to WORK in this country.. and should all be picked up if they dont. THEN have the police run stings on the slimebags who hire them KNOWING they are illegal.. No papers.. no work. That is the fastest way to solve the illegal immigration issue.. put the people that hire them in jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 August 14, 2008 Quote Well, the businesses certainly haven't done anything to improve the neighborhood on their own and without law requiring them to do so, why should they? To be nice? Seriously? Have you ever seen a business do anything even remotely like this without being forced? If the Home Depot voluntarily built out a center for illegal aliens to find work, they'd be castigated as unAmerican. Nevermind the large homeless contingent that would swarm on the facilities. Since they at least want to seem willing to cooperate with the directive from the city, it works better for both sides that the government mandates it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 August 14, 2008 Quote That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.... They all need to prove they have the documents to WORK in this country.. and should all be picked up if they dont. THEN have the police run stings on the slimebags who hire them KNOWING they are illegal.. No papers.. no work. That is the fastest way to solve the illegal immigration issue.. put the people that hire them in jail You ever stopped at a car wash fundraiser thing? Did you check the papers of the people who washed your truck to ensure they were legal to work? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #22 August 14, 2008 QuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? You sound like a Republican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #23 August 14, 2008 QuoteDo these businesses receive any compensation from the day laborers? Indirectly. It's real convinenent to be able to get materials, a truck, and manual labor all in one location. When installing new vinyl I'd pickup my levelling compound and manual labor to scrape off the old stuff at Home Depot before I drove some place for the materials and some place else for the help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #24 August 14, 2008 Quote Quote Shouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? You sound like a Republican. Not sure if that's an insult or not .... so I'll just accept it as one - Thanks (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #25 August 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteShouldn't the Police be removing the squatters/illegals so that Legal casual workers can get the jobs? You sound like a Republican person who obeys the law and uses logic and reasoning. Fixed it for you."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
