gonzalesna 0 #1 August 12, 2008 Of the many people in this world, those that believe in a higher power feel this world was created. Others have the big bang theory, as well as many more thoughts and theories. Regardless of your faith or belief, you probably have some idea as to how it all began. Science has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. Where do you feel it all came from?Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #2 August 12, 2008 QuoteOf the many people in this world, those that believe in a higher power feel this world was created. Others have the big bang theory, as well as many more thoughts and theories. Regardless of your faith or belief, you probably have some idea as to how it all began. Science has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. Where do you feel it all came from? I don't know and I think it is probably unknowable, at least in my lifetime, so I don't worry about it much. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #3 August 12, 2008 No say. I look at the evidence, while recognizing that I really don't understand what the physicists are saying, and come to the conclusion that it is a good question. On the other hand I think that the explanation given by a bunch of bronze age tribesmen sitting in their tents has about as much chance of being correct as any one of the other hundreds of creation myths that have been spun around the camp fire over the centuries; basically zero. The Yaweh myth is on par with the Odin and the Titans myth which is on par with the Algonquin Glooscap myth and Richard Dawkins' "flying teacup" story. Childish foolishness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 August 12, 2008 QuoteScience has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. You are ignoring the fact matter can be converted into energy."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #5 August 12, 2008 QuoteOf the many people in this world, those that believe in a higher power feel this world was created. Others have the big bang theory, as well as many more thoughts and theories. Regardless of your faith or belief, you probably have some idea as to how it all began. Science has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. Where do you feel it all came from? Well matter and energy are two of the same thing according to Einstein. Matter came from energy, but as to where energy came from....well...I have no clue.... According to quantum mechanics atom parts (which is essentially energy), are a wave until they are observed. Only then do they become particles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc. Matter comes about through observation. I will argue that if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it make a noise, then it doesn't make any noise. For oise to occur, it must be observed (heard).7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 August 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteScience has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. You are ignoring the fact matter can be converted into energy. I guess he's never heard of a proton smasher either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #7 August 12, 2008 You call it child foolishness, but say it's a good question to ask where it all comes from. I don't understand. Do you believe in some sort of higher power that created things, but don't believe in the organized religions? Is it that you don't believe in anything other than what science has proven and shown you? Or, are you saying you don't really care and have nothing to add to this thread other than breaking down organized religion to caveman stories? Please elaborate.Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #8 August 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteScience has proven long ago that matter cannot be created, nor destroyed. It can be broken apart into the smallest pieces of matter: protons, neutrons and electrons, but it never goes away. You are ignoring the fact matter can be converted into energy. Ok, we'll add energy to the list. It, as well, is not created or destroyed, it is transferred.Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #9 August 12, 2008 QuoteYou call it child foolishness, but say it's a good question to ask where it all comes from. I don't understand. Do you believe in some sort of higher power that created things, but don't believe in the organized religions? Is it that you don't believe in anything other than what science has proven and shown you? Or, are you saying you don't really care and have nothing to add to this thread other than breaking down organized religion to caveman stories? Please elaborate. I do believe in higher power. We are part of something much bigger . Much like a cell in a kidney would have a hard time understanding its world beyond the human body (given that it could understand), we have a hard time comprehending what is bigger than this universe. I do not believe in organized religions. They are man made and cause separation among us. The initial spark of whatever this whole thing is cannot come from absolutly nothing (by nothing I mean not even empty space). The big bang I beleive was created, and not just came about out of that nothingness, but the rest of of this universe's history is a mere progression within our sense of time and space.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #10 August 12, 2008 QuoteYou call it child foolishness, but say it's a good question to ask where it all comes from. I don't understand. Do you believe in some sort of higher power that created things, but don't believe in the organized religions? Is it that you don't believe in anything other than what science has proven and shown you? Or, are you saying you don't really care and have nothing to add to this thread other than breaking down organized religion to caveman stories? Please elaborate. It is a good question, but the bearded fellow in the clouds stories are foolishness. I am intrigued by the possible explanations, but am only concerned with the ones that have some evidence. The big bang theory has some evidence to support it, the Glooscap tale does not. Yes, organized religion is just that, caveman stories. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #11 August 13, 2008 Quote A well-known scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!" Another excellent application of infinity. (It's an old story, repeated in many different varieties.) Religious people look at the complexity of the world and believe that it must have a creator. Non-religious people point to the complexity of a creator and ask how the creator came into being. At some point, both accept the infinite existence of something. The universe has just always been here. No magic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #12 August 13, 2008 Needing a beginning and end to something as infinite as the universe is the sort of limited capacity for understanding that starts all the religious Dogma to being with. There doesn't need to be a beginning or end just to satisfy the banal whims of hairless apes on a tiny planet at the edge of an average galaxy. Look up Boson and Fermion, and you might find particles that are even smaller than protons, electrons and neutrons.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #13 August 13, 2008 Quote*** The universe has just always been here. No magic. I really dont get why people struggle to accept thatYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #14 August 13, 2008 QuoteQuote*** The universe has just always been here. No magic. I really dont get why people struggle to accept that How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has?Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #15 August 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote*** The universe has just always been here. No magic. I really dont get why people struggle to accept that How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has? Empirical evidence, and scientific observation, not all things are explained YET by science but that in noway means that they wont be at some time in the Future. I have no time for a "GOD OF THE GAPS" theoryYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #16 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote *** The universe has just always been here. No magic. I really dont get why people struggle to accept that How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has? Empirical evidence, and scientific observation, not all things are explained YET by science but that in noway means that they wont be at some time in the Future. I have no time for a "GOD OF THE GAPS" theory But if you're wrong, you could have an eternity to go, "oops..."Edit to add: Then again, if you're right, I'll never know and won't be able to say, "oh well." But you've got nothing to worry about. That brings up another good question... How many people believe in some kind of God "just in case." Probably quite a few, because they don't want to be someone that says, "there's no God," and then die and go, "ahhh, shit!"Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #17 August 13, 2008 QuoteWhere do you feel it all came from? I don't know. And, for now, I don't feel that I know enough to even make an educated guess about it. But I see no reason to credit it to some sort of divine creator whose origin/existence also has no explanation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #18 August 13, 2008 Quote How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has? There's a rather large amount of evidence that matter and energy exist...the computer screen I'm staring at right now is pretty convincing. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote That brings up another good question... How many people believe in some kind of God "just in case." Probably quite a few, because they don't want to be someone that says, "there's no God," and then die and go, "ahhh, shit!" There's an old saying "there are no atheists in Foxholes"You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #20 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote That brings up another good question... How many people believe in some kind of God "just in case." Probably quite a few, because they don't want to be someone that says, "there's no God," and then die and go, "ahhh, shit!" There's an old saying "there are no atheists in Foxholes" Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote That brings up another good question... How many people believe in some kind of God "just in case." Probably quite a few, because they don't want to be someone that says, "there's no God," and then die and go, "ahhh, shit!" There's an old saying "there are no atheists in Foxholes" I've been pretty sure of my impending death on a few occasions, and religion/god was the furthest thing from my mind. Embarassment, regret, and guilt over the stupid decisions I'd made to put myself in those positions were front and center. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 August 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I've been pretty sure of my impending death on a few occasions, and religion/god was the furthest thing from my mind. Embarassment, regret, and guilt over the stupid decisions I'd made to put myself in those positions were front and center. Blues, Dave I have been close a few times too. but why would you have thing of embarassing, regret or guilt on your mind. the last couple of times I have been close my wife and friends and family have been at the forefront. Certainly not any concept of a GODYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #23 August 13, 2008 QuoteQuote I've been pretty sure of my impending death on a few occasions, and religion/god was the furthest thing from my mind. Embarassment, regret, and guilt over the stupid decisions I'd made to put myself in those positions were front and center. Blues, Dave I have been close a few times too. but why would you have thing of embarassing, regret or guilt on your mind. the last couple of times I have been close my wife and friends and family have been at the forefront. Certainly not any concept of a GOD The emotions were directly related to my loved ones, i.e. feeling shame over leaving my daughter fatherless, my mom heartbroken, etc.. In other words, guilt over the pain I was about to cause others. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #24 August 13, 2008 Quote How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has? I see evidence that matter exists here and now. I see no such evidence that a "higher power exists", but just in case, I pray to Joe Pecsi."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #25 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I have been close a few times too. but why would you have thing of embarassing, regret or guilt on your mind. the last couple of times I have been close my wife and friends and family have been at the forefront. Certainly not any concept of a GOD The emotions were directly related to my loved ones, i.e. feeling shame over leaving my daughter fatherless, my mom heartbroken, etc.. In other words, guilt over the pain I was about to cause others. Blues, Dave Cool, I get that You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
livendive 8 #23 August 13, 2008 QuoteQuote I've been pretty sure of my impending death on a few occasions, and religion/god was the furthest thing from my mind. Embarassment, regret, and guilt over the stupid decisions I'd made to put myself in those positions were front and center. Blues, Dave I have been close a few times too. but why would you have thing of embarassing, regret or guilt on your mind. the last couple of times I have been close my wife and friends and family have been at the forefront. Certainly not any concept of a GOD The emotions were directly related to my loved ones, i.e. feeling shame over leaving my daughter fatherless, my mom heartbroken, etc.. In other words, guilt over the pain I was about to cause others. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #24 August 13, 2008 Quote How is it you can believe matter is and has always been, but it's so hard to believe a higher power exists and always has? I see evidence that matter exists here and now. I see no such evidence that a "higher power exists", but just in case, I pray to Joe Pecsi."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #25 August 13, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I have been close a few times too. but why would you have thing of embarassing, regret or guilt on your mind. the last couple of times I have been close my wife and friends and family have been at the forefront. Certainly not any concept of a GOD The emotions were directly related to my loved ones, i.e. feeling shame over leaving my daughter fatherless, my mom heartbroken, etc.. In other words, guilt over the pain I was about to cause others. Blues, Dave Cool, I get that You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
