Gawain 0 #1 August 12, 2008 I just heard this conversation on the Glenn Beck radio program this morning. The context of the conversation was around the Russian/Georgian conflict. The timing was perfect, Olympics, US Congress in recess, and Europe is just sitting and watching. So, in the context of "right now", out of the three, who would you vote for?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #2 August 12, 2008 I wasn't aware Cheney was running. That changes everything! Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 August 12, 2008 Quote I wasn't aware Cheney was running. That changes everything! And what's scarier, one person here would vote for him. I knew skydivers were a strange bunch but I never pegged them for "insane". Hopefully it's only temporary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #4 August 12, 2008 All three circles give the same result should I wiggle the mouse with my eyes closed and see which one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #5 August 12, 2008 You forgot Chuck Norris. I'd like to vote for him. Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 August 12, 2008 Quote And what's scarier, one person here would vote for him. NEVER underestimate the amount of fringe right dead enders we have in the skydiving world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 August 12, 2008 Isn't it ironic how... When America invades Iraq to overthrow a murderous tyrannical despot, the liberals scream bloody murder in protest. And at the same time, when Russia invades the sovereign democratic nation of Georgia, none of those same people give a shit. The whole nation can be slaughtered, and nobody will lift a finger to help. It's too bad they weren't a member of NATO, so we could watch the member nations dance to avoid fulfilling their self-defense responsibilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,133 #8 August 12, 2008 >When America invades Iraq to overthrow a murderous tyrannical >despot, the liberals scream bloody murder in protest. >And at the same time, when Russia invades the sovereign democratic >nation of Georgia, none of those same people give a shit. 1) You are responsible for what you do, not what others do. 2) Not wanting to kill 100,000 people does not equate to not giving a shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #9 August 12, 2008 QuoteNEVER underestimate the amount of fringe right dead enders we have in the speakers corner! fixed it."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #10 August 12, 2008 QuoteIsn't it ironic how... When America invades Iraq to overthrow a murderous tyrannical despot, the liberals scream bloody murder in protest. And at the same time, when Russia invades the sovereign democratic nation of Georgia, none of those same people give a shit. How's your anti-Sudanese genocide campaign coming along? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #11 August 12, 2008 QuoteIsn't it ironic how... When America invades Iraq to overthrow a murderous tyrannical despot, the liberals scream bloody murder in protest. Isn't it strange how... ...you seemingly must psychologicaly hang on to the idea that your government invaded Iraq to overthrow a bad guy and you are a good guy. Are 'liberals' screaming bloody murder OR are things like undeniable empirical data about how you destroyed an entire country and killed people's children. Speaking of irony how about hanging Saddam for things he did while you were feeding him? Including gassing people. Quote And at the same time, when Russia invades the sovereign democratic nation of Georgia, none of those same people give a shit. Because one is an international act and the 'supreme crime of aggression' and the other is a domestic dispute where both Georgia and Russia are shooting up a bunch of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 August 12, 2008 Quote The whole nation can be slaughtered, and nobody will lift a finger to help. What do you suggest, declare war on Russia? Send in 'advisors' in an undeclared police action? Send them a stern diplomatic note? (I think we did that). I find a lot of Americans have a problem with the concept that they are not omnipotent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,133 #13 August 12, 2008 >What do you suggest, declare war on Russia? Clearly we should apply right winger logic and attack Turkey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #14 August 12, 2008 QuoteQuote The whole nation can be slaughtered, and nobody will lift a finger to help. What do you suggest, declare war on Russia? Send in 'advisors' in an undeclared police action? Send them a stern diplomatic note? (I think we did that). I find a lot of Americans have a problem with the concept that they are not omnipotent. Not all of us ... really. His statement also ignores (or possibly is just unaware) of a lot of the history and international community efforts, (i.e., such statements reflect what some might call historical revisionism). Just a few examples: Agreement on a Cease-Fire and Separation of Forces, 14 May 1994 Declaration on Measures for a Political Settlement of the Georgian/Abkhaz Conflict, 4 April 1994 UN Security Council Resolution 876: Abkhazia, Georgia, 19 October 1993 UN Security Council Resolution 881: Abkhazia, Georgia, 4 November 1993 UN Security Council Resolution 892: Abkhazia, Georgia, 22 December 1993 UN Security Council Resolution 896: On Possible Establishment of Peacekeeping Force in Abkhazia, Georgia and on Political Settlement of the Abkhazia Conflict, 31 January 1994 UN Security Council Resolution 906: On Extension of the Mandate of the UN Observer Mission in Georgia and on Political Settlement of the Situation in Abkhazia, Georgia, 25 March 1994 UN Security Council Resolution 993: On Extension of the Mandate of the UN Observer Mission in Georgia and Settlement of the Conflict in Abkhazia, Georgia, 12 May 1995 Also must have missed, more recently, these: (1) Released today “Washington, DC – House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) Statement on the Situation in Georgia” “Russian President Medvedev’s order to end Russia’s military operations against Georgia is a positive development, but this step must be followed by the withdrawal of Russian troops to the positions held before the conflict and by successful international mediation to restore peace to the region. The invasion of a small neighboring country closely allied with the United States does not serve Russian interests and is not in line with Russia’s announced intentions. Such aggressive behavior only increases tension and raises suspicion about Russian goals, while also creating a humanitarian crisis in an already volatile region. The United States, working with our allies in Europe and in the region, must send a message to Russia that its actions against Georgia are unacceptable.” (2) Released Saturday, 9 August Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi Statement on Russian Action in Georgia: “The future of Georgia should be decided by the Georgian people. “The sooner Russian military action ceases, Russian forces are withdrawn, and Georgia's borders are respected, the sooner a settlement of Georgia's internal disputes can be achieved and regional security enhanced.” Those are strong statements, moreso when one recognizes that the State Dept and the Executive Branch is the official voice of the US federal government overseas, i.e., see from Monday “President Bush’s Discusses Situation in Georgia,” which says essentially the same thing as Sen Skelton and Rep Pelosi’s statements. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #15 August 12, 2008 Ya know, I'm gonna need a little more evidence if you want me to believe all that stuffReally, how do you do it? I know some people are good at searching the internet, but you really take it to a whole new level! Just how do you find all your sources anyway? Google? Tons of time spent surfing the web? I just gotta know... Really, thats awesome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #16 August 12, 2008 Quote Really, how do you do it? I know some people are good at searching the internet, but you really take it to a whole new level! Just how do you find all your sources anyway? Google? Tons of time spent surfing the web? I just gotta know... Really, thats awesome Thanks. There's no single algorithm or method that I apply -- beyond trying to get the widest views possible and a passionate obsession with primary data. Altho' I am intrigued by Mike's hypothesis. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #17 August 12, 2008 QuoteIsn't it ironic how... When America invades Iraq to overthrow a murderous tyrannical despot, the liberals scream bloody murder in protest. And at the same time, when Russia invades the sovereign democratic nation of Georgia, none of those same people give a shit. I believe what you're doing here is referred to as "poisoning the well." I honestly haven't heard enough information to form an opinion on who was right and who was wrong in the Russia/Georgia thing, but that doesn't mean I don't care. Right now it's a lot of he said/she said that'll likely take at least a few weeks to sort out. Regardless, it seems terrible to me that both sides appear to be killing civilians, and I'm glad I don't have to feel guilty over voting for someone who caused these innocents to die. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
