Barack admits he doesn't know what he's doing

[jcd11235 0]

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Sorry he's not willing, like Clinton, to cook the books into showing a surplus that is as genuine as Clinton's angry insistence that he didn't get the blowjob.

What a crock of shit. The books were not "cooked." The budget surplus was real, by any acceptable accounting techniques. The fact of the matter is that Clinton oversaw the most fiscally responsible federal government since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Sorry he's not willing, like Clinton, to cook the books into showing a surplus that is as genuine as Clinton's angry insistence that he didn't get the blowjob.

What a crock of shit. The books were not "cooked." The budget surplus was real, by any acceptable accounting techniques. The fact of the matter is that Clinton oversaw the most fiscally responsible federal government since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.

That's absolutely correct.
Bill got himself those blowjobs the old-fashioned way: he earned them.

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The economic stimulus package is not a regular occurance, nor did it do much for the economy.

What qualifies as “much” for the economy?

While I agree that the economic stimulus that the on-line porn industry saw may not reflect the goals behind the Economic Stimulus Act (ESA) of 2008 nor qualifies as “much” for the overall US economy, the reported benefits to the lagging construction industry are harder to discount.

As to the “much” factors: the ESA has also been credited as largely being responsible for the small increase in growth over the quarter, 1.9%, compared to the previous quarter, 0.9%, (& some assert preventing a quarter of negative growth, one of the customary preliminary indicators of recession).

Do I think the ESA was the best choice in the long run? No. That doesn’t, however, mean that one disregards the impact that it had. Was it as successful as Secretary Paulson had hoped? No; economists were looking for >2.4% increase due to the ESA (only got 1.9%).

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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ignoring actual details, I believe that being governor of a large state like Texas or California is more significant, relevant experience than being a Senator for the same 4 year term.

Hmmmm ... not sure. Would be interesting to pursue more robustly -- & am confident someone/scholar/wonk has -- both, as well as substantive successful private sector experience, seem desirable.

State executive experience seems to appeal to evidence of leadership experience as the archetypal focal point of large government bureaucracy. Otoh, federal legislative experience may afford tacit understanding of how to get things done on the federal level that one can't easily assimilate from the outside.

Attribute it partially as an artifact of the US government system, which one doesn’t see in parliamentary style systems (get other adversarial relationships and artifacts in those systems).

More than 1/3 of the US Presidents previously served as US Senators, some more notable ones: Presidents John Q Adams, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. Slightly more State governors have gone on to serve as President.

VR/Marg

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[Lucky... 0]

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You could use some serious anger management counseling. In another recent thread, you discuss your various difficulties interacting with others at work. I'm beginning to understand. My experience is that the intense, humorless, and slightly scary guy in the other cubicle, who takes, well...odd umbrage at collegial humor is best just avoided, for everyone's sake.

Counselor, you feel some need to make this about me, perhaps you need some help to prevent from projecting onto others. Perhaps you need to some direction on how to focus on the issues in threads instead of ad hominem and spelling/grammar. I understand that conservatives really don't want to talk about the performance of their 3 stooges, but don't worry, when the left gets in, they will fuck up too, so it's kind of a trade off for the side in power; you get to have your side in power, just have to ride the waves.

Now let's be real, no one will seriously address the post above because they can't. They make throw a piece of misdirected crap out there as you did, but no real answer.

The recent thread where there was a workplace bully, not only was he fired shortly after cnflicting with me, but he was fired once before for the same thing from the same facility, just different ownership; the management should have been fired and was probably getting worried. As well, he was fired for a conflict with a girl, relating a story told by another worker there that she has a smelly pussy. Not to mention I never reported the scum, just ignored and waited for him to fuck himself, so your point is void, care to address the thread?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My experience is that the intense, humorless, and slightly scary guy in the other cubicle, who takes, well...odd umbrage at collegial humor is best just avoided, for everyone's sake.

You don't even know me, how do you claim to know my humor, intensity, etc? My experience is the anal attorney, always correcting spelling and nitpicking, addressing nothing important, just hanging around trying to rally people for them and against others not a good person to follow.

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Sorry he's not willing, like Clinton, to cook the books into showing a surplus that is as genuine as Clinton's angry insistence that he didn't get the blowjob.

What a crock of shit. The books were not "cooked." The budget surplus was real, by any acceptable accounting techniques. The fact of the matter is that Clinton oversaw the most fiscally responsible federal government since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.

Right, Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Spending Bill raised taxes slightly on the middle, extremely on the rich. As time went on and the deficit turned to a surplus, that was relieved. The debt and the deficit fell every year of Clinton's 8 years, the deficit turned to a surplus. As well he cut military spending.

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Sorry he's not willing, like Clinton, to cook the books into showing a surplus that is as genuine as Clinton's angry insistence that he didn't get the blowjob.

What a crock of shit. The books were not "cooked." The budget surplus was real, by any acceptable accounting techniques. The fact of the matter is that Clinton oversaw the most fiscally responsible federal government since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.

That's absolutely correct.
Bill got himself those blowjobs the old-fashioned way: he earned them.

Still can't stay on line, can you? But why not be the Reight wing's representative here, was it about the BJ or about the lie? Or is it interchangeable based upon need?

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The economic stimulus package is not a regular occurance, nor did it do much for the economy.

What qualifies as “much” for the economy?

While I agree that the economic stimulus that the on-line porn industry saw may not reflect the goals behind the Economic Stimulus Act (ESA) of 2008 nor qualifies as “much” for the overall US economy, the reported benefits to the lagging construction industry are harder to discount.

As to the “much” factors: the ESA has also been credited as largely being responsible for the small increase in growth over the quarter, 1.9%, compared to the previous quarter, 0.9%, (& some assert preventing a quarter of negative growth, one of the customary preliminary indicators of recession).

Do I think the ESA was the best choice in the long run? No. That doesn’t, however, mean that one disregards the impact that it had. Was it as successful as Secretary Paulson had hoped? No; economists were looking for >2.4% increase due to the ESA (only got 1.9%).

VR/Marg

And after that, we get to tack on 1/5th or 1/6th of a billion $ to the debt.

[Andy9o8 2]

You are one seriously angry dude. I'm glad you don't live in my neighborhood. For your neighbors' sake, I hope you don't own weapons.

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Sorry he's not willing, like Clinton, to cook the books into showing a surplus that is as genuine as Clinton's angry insistence that he didn't get the blowjob.

What a crock of shit. The books were not "cooked." The budget surplus was real, by any acceptable accounting techniques. The fact of the matter is that Clinton oversaw the most fiscally responsible federal government since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.

SOME of them were.

And, as you may know, Enron and Global Crossing used "acceptable accounting techniques," as well.

p.s. - why did the leaders of Global Crossing avoid the same fate as the leadership of Enron? Because Gary Winnick lavished money on the Dems while his co-chairman, Lowdrick Cook, gave plenty of money to Republicans.

A brilliant business model - grease both sides.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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SOME of them were.

Such as?

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[billvon 3,107]

>I never said I was for giving tax breaks to the rich, i.e. letting them get
>away with not paying a fair share of taxes. But I think it ought to be a flat
>tax. I don't believe that if you can manage to make more money, the
>penalty should increase as a percentage.

A progressive tax is, simply, the best way to get lots of money out of a population with minimal economic impact.

Would it be better to spend less on government and reduce everyone's taxes, so you don't need tricks like a progressive tax to make it affordable? Absolutely. But you have to reduce spending FIRST - THEN reduce taxes. Doing it the opposite way leads to what we have now - runaway debts, a falling dollar and out-of-control spending.

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2. The uneducated

- I think they feel drawn to follow an ideology, probably based upon family ritual.

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You nailed the Obama followers (who are joined by the, as billvon explained the term, ignorant)

I had no idea you were so well informed!

I listed the uneduated and the educated, can't remember which I wrote with you in mind .

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You nailed the Obama followers (who are joined by the, as billvon explained the term, ignorant)

Bill didn't refer to Obama followers as ignorant, he referred to the exremes of both parties as such.

Kinda funny to read a statement calling me ignorant by someone that voted for Bush twice.

I did not say billvon called BHO ignorant nor did I call you that. Please refer to billvons definition for clarification.

Oh, and using billvons definintion (or probably better stated, context of the word) given the choices and what he has done I would vote for him again, given the choices. (not saying that is good)

You would vote for Bush again knowing he would

- handle Katrina the way he didI cant beleive anyone would still think this is the case. You buy the media Dem spin on this one

- create the largest deficit / debt in world history thru his tax / spend policiesIn part I gotta agree with you hear. He/they had a great chance and pissed it away

- commute Scooter Libby after criminal conviction for the same things Clinton was impeached in a political trial (full pardon comming)He should be pardoned. The whole thing is a travisty and a dam joke. I would support that one intotal. Did you complain about Clintons pardons too?

- engage in a war that has now become common knowledge that it was entered on false premiseStop with the old tire "common knowlege" type bs statements. Keep hanging your hat on the WMD "ONLY" line. It is funny

- legislate privatization of medical prescriptions, costing seniors money they don't haveFunny twist on it but I dont like it either. For different reasons I will agree with you here

- kill stem cell research, a move that even the Nancy Reagan's despiseHe killed "embrionic" stem cell research. Big difference. I thought even you would get that right. Got to go with Bush on this one

- I could go on

So you then INFER what Gore or Kerry MIGHT have done as they would be faced with these decisions and you further infer they would have fucked it up worse? You guys just can't make a case, just make baseless assertions
/ predictions.

Like you just did here?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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