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PS: I also find it interesting that you condemn others for advocating (or using) torture while advocating torture (being raped on a daily basis) yourself ... way to go!

You have NO FUCKING clue how I come to my feelings about rapists and those who prey on innocents.

I dont believe they should warrent ANY kind of mercy whatsoever. The crimes they do affect people for their whole lives.. I feel its fitting for them to suffer for as long as physically possible and a quick death is far to easy of a way out for scum like that.

Karma is one big FUCKING BITCH.


Torture is a completely different form of state sponsored abuse against people who may or may not deserve it.. if you cant make the distinction.. I truely feel sorry for you.

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PS: I also find it interesting that you condemn others for advocating (or using) torture while advocating torture (being raped on a daily basis) yourself ... way to go!

You have NO FUCKING clue how I come to my feelings about rapists and those who prey on innocents.

I dont believe they should warrent ANY kind of mercy whatsoever. The crimes they do affect people for their whole lives.. I feel its fitting for them to suffer for as long as physically possible and a quick death is far to easy of a way out for scum like that.

Karma is one big FUCKING BITCH.

Torture is a completely different form of state sponsored abuse against people who may or may not deserve it.. if you cant make the distinction.. I truely feel sorry for you.

You believe that innocent people get convicted and sent to prison and advocate rape in prison ... think about it.

PS: Rape in prison is torture. Prison is part of the state. You don't believe the state should do anything to stop rape in prison. Thus, you advocate state sponsored abuse against people who may or may not deserve it.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Prison is what prison is..if you are such a bleeding heart.. go do something about the conditions in the prisons..
ITs not a case of ADVOCATING rape in prison....BUTT..... it is what it is.
Better to have the abusive sort of people in one place where they do not affect MOST people.
If someone does not like being locked up with people incapable of living in a civilized manner.. then perhaps they should use what few brain cells they have to not be there in the first place.
If someone considers that preying on other people is the way they want to live their life... then let them suffer the consequences...

I just do not believe in killing them.... but I also believe they should NEVER get out..period.

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I would posit that MOST of the people who go to prison... really do belong there for crimes against other people.

Ok, you believe that only a few innocent people get convicted.

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GO .. by all means and take the place of the innocent man who is convicted of murder for a crime he really did not commit.. and sit on Death Row for 20 years waiting to be executed for that crime.

Ok, you don't believe in the death penalty because of the few innocent people that you believe get convicted.

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On the other hand.. I do believe this guy was guilty of the crime... I would rather him spend 60 years or so contemplating his crimes in Federal Pound Him in the ASS Prison... where he gets more meaningfull punishment on a daily basis.

Wait, you care that the few innocent people that you believe are convicted don't receive the death penalty but you don't care that they are raped on a daily basis?

PS: I also find it interesting that you condemn others for advocating (or using) torture while advocating torture (being raped on a daily basis) yourself ... way to go!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok, you believe that only a few innocent people get convicted.


What's a few innocent people here or there, right?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok, you don't believe in the death penalty because of the few innocent people that you believe get convicted.

What's a few innocent people here or there, right?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wait, you care that the few innocent people that you believe are convicted don't receive the death penalty but you don't care that they are raped on a daily basis?

PS: I also find it interesting that you condemn others for advocating (or using) torture while advocating torture (being raped on a daily basis) yourself ... way to go!

I agree with you here, denouncing the DP while advocating anal rape..... truth is she is trying to appease the pro-DP guys by assuring them these monsters will be ass raped. I say we do away with DP and prison ass-raping. EVERY sociaety will have their fucked up people, we just have to deal wit it and the sadness they bring with their fucked up acts.

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Prison is what prison is..if you are such a bleeding heart.. go do something about the conditions in the prisons..
ITs not a case of ADVOCATING rape in prison....BUTT..... it is what it is.
Better to have the abusive sort of people in one place where they do not affect MOST people.

What about Guantanamo Bay and what has gone on there? After all, it is what it is ...

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If someone does not like being locked up with people incapable of living in a civilized manner.. then perhaps they should use what few brain cells they have to not be there in the first place.

What about the innocent people you were concerned about?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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No one is " playing God" just because they excute a murderer. Are you really that uneducated?

I'm probably more educated than you, but this is not a contest of education, nor should it become an ad mominem, it should be an argument weighing the good of the DP by ridding us of people that need to be gone versus the bad of killing innocent people. I find in the corner of the innocent.

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yea...we've NEVER had innocent people confess and end up on death row before.

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What's a few innocent people here or there, right?

As far as the death penalty. I think it should only be used when there is indisputable evidence (apprehended while committing crime, confession, etc...). Thus, severely limiting the possibility of executing an innocent individual.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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...not a flawed justice system that sends innocent people to their deaths...

Read the story again - he confessed. Thus, there is no flaw in this case. The death penalty was fully justified.

Where is your concern for justice for the victims?

Look at those innocent faces in the attached photo. Then imagine the horror they endured being beaten, raped and strangled to death. Tell me that these two innocent little girls don't deserve this justice.

And that's the strategy of the DP, dangle pictures of the dead to invoke emotion. I don't need to see pictures of dead kids to feel the pain. I voted in this poll that this POS deserved it, considering his acts and the wording of the poll, how could anyone vote he didn't? Am I gald we killed him, paving the way for innocent people to be executed? No.

I never hear about the people accidentally murdered by the state being metioned by DP advocates, just victims of crimes. It really undermines your argument when you don't refer to them, just ignore as if it hasn't happened. Whereas DP opponents constantly mention both the victims of crimes and the victims of the overzealous DP system.

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What's a few innocent people here or there, right?

As far as the death penalty. I think it should only be used when there is indisputable evidence (apprehended while committing crime, confession, etc...). Thus, severely limiting the possibility of executing an innocent individual.

Yea, that would be a start, but there is still that circular argument of more careful - still making errors - more careful - etc... as well as the discretion of who decides what is indisputable, not to mention the slippery slope and emotion of dangling pictures of the dead.

The bottom line is that if we execute, we will make errors, so do we punish the scum or protect the few innocent. Amazing the countries that have decided their ways, the USSR quit n the 70's, we ramped things up then and call them the axis of evil..... and let's not even talk about healthcare..... how long will it take before Americans figure it out?

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It also says " thou shalt NOT kill",

But who is "thou?" And who should not be killed?

Clearly our government is not a "thou", since it beleives it has the right to execute.

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I agree with you here, denouncing the DP while advocating anal rape..... truth is she is trying to appease the pro-DP guys by assuring them these monsters will be ass raped. I say we do away with DP and prison ass-raping.

Nope.. not trying to appease the stupid fuckers who THRIVE on thier bloodlust for the ultimate revenge... in thier minds it is at least. To me the DP is a realease from their fucked up existence. I want to prolong that existence for as long as one could ever hope for.

As I said before.. if some fucknugget feels they can prey on people I want them to know that no matter how badass they think they are.. that this is ALWAYS someone more badass than themselves.

In the case of rapists and pedophiles.. I dont think there is a dark enough hole that we can throw them into that truely makes up for their crimes.

Letting them off easy by putting them on death row....and getting around to killing them in 20 years is stupid.

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I agree with you here, denouncing the DP while advocating anal rape..... truth is she is trying to appease the pro-DP guys by assuring them these monsters will be ass raped. I say we do away with DP and prison ass-raping.

Nope.. not trying to appease the stupid fuckers who THRIVE on thier bloodlust for the ultimate revenge... in thier minds it is at least. To me the DP is a realease from their fucked up existence. I want to prolong that existence for as long as one could ever hope for.

As I said before.. if some fucknugget feels they can prey on people I want them to know that no matter how badass they think they are.. that this is ALWAYS someone more badass than themselves.

In the case of rapists and pedophiles.. I dont think there is a dark enough hole that we can throw them into that truely makes up for their crimes.

Letting them off easy by putting them on death row....and getting around to killing them in 20 years is stupid.

Let your true colors shine ... you would rather torture someone endlessly than execute them instantly.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Do you want the U.S. to give up it's national sovereignty and turn it over to a few people in Holland to tell us how to run our country?

This case has absolutely nothing to do about national sovereignty. It simply has to do with the US living up to agreements they signed.

Really no different from anybody living up to following an agreement they signed.

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Do you want the U.S. to give up it's national sovereignty and turn it over to a few people in Holland to tell us how to run our country?

This case has absolutely nothing to do about national sovereignty. It simply has to do with the US living up to agreements they signed.

Really no different from anybody living up to following an agreement they signed.

Shhh....that's apparently not to be discussed.

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Dave

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In certain peoples case... you betcha


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I never hear about the people accidentally murdered by the state being metioned by DP advocates, just victims of crimes. It really undermines your argument when you don't refer to them, just ignore as if it hasn't happened. Whereas DP opponents constantly mention both the victims of crimes and the victims of the overzealous DP system.

I seem to remember reading recently that, at least in most states, evidence is sealed upon completion of the execution. This dramatically reduces the odds of showing where states have executed the wrong person. I don't know if this is true or not, but I'm inclined to believe it.

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the poll should have had a third option - retry with the consular support.

The question really isn't about should this guy get executed, but how do we feel about Americans getting arrested and executed in other nations? Are we ok with kangaroo courts there?

You can't pretend that the FAIR TRIAL he got--albeit not with the "consular support" he was "supposed" to be due--was anything like a "kangaroo court."

Attempting to pull a fast one like that just shows how disingenuous you are willing to be in this discussion.

It's not a choice of, "If we do this to him here, we deserve our citizens to be tried by kangaroo courts abroad," since we did NOT subject him to an unfair trial.

He was convicted by a jury. Just think of him as though he had been any other native of the U.S., and you'll realize he got all that anyone need be entitled to as far as defense, and a fair trial. So what if he didn't get this stupid technical provision given to him.

You (and quite a few others) can't look at this in a non emotional manner. And you ignore the big picture. Civil rights and due process really aren't about the obvious cases. It's about the ones where evidence is scant, yet ANGRY people want to make sure someone pays for the crime that happened, and often care far less that the right person pays.

As someone who travels in other countries a couple times a year (this year I'll have gone through two banana republics and 6 in Eastern Europe), I want to know if I get caught up in some BS police dragnet that I'll have the State Department involved in getting me out of there. I don't want to be left to figure it out myself in a foreign country with language I can't read, with cops trying to coerce me into signing a confession.

The SCOTUS would probably give their copout, "harmless error" and uphold this verdict, but there's no good reason for us to cheat. Not if we want our citizens treated as well as the legal system of the other country allows (often it's bad enough for the defendant even if they follow their own laws).

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What amazes me is that when a US soldier tries to get out of serving, many people on these boards say that the soldiers should live up the the contract he/she signed. Which I fully agree with.

Many of the same posters who tend to be very vocal in those threads, now say that the US doesn't have to live up to agreements/contracts it signed.

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It also says " thou shalt NOT kill",

But who is "thou?" And who should not be killed?

Clearly our government is not a "thou", since it beleives it has the right to execute.

It also belived it had the right to snatch Noriega and detain people in G. Bay, Cuba, which it did not have. Perhaps that explains the hate people have for the US, invoking powers it does not have.

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I agree with you here, denouncing the DP while advocating anal rape..... truth is she is trying to appease the pro-DP guys by assuring them these monsters will be ass raped. I say we do away with DP and prison ass-raping.

Nope.. not trying to appease the stupid fuckers who THRIVE on thier bloodlust for the ultimate revenge... in thier minds it is at least. To me the DP is a realease from their fucked up existence. I want to prolong that existence for as long as one could ever hope for.

As I said before.. if some fucknugget feels they can prey on people I want them to know that no matter how badass they think they are.. that this is ALWAYS someone more badass than themselves.

In the case of rapists and pedophiles.. I dont think there is a dark enough hole that we can throw them into that truely makes up for their crimes.

Letting them off easy by putting them on death row....and getting around to killing them in 20 years is stupid.

Agreed...... I just don't advocate anal-rape, or any assualt in prison. What the gov allowed to happen to Dahmer was criminal, even if it was a good thing. We can't logically clean the streets while we allow/advocate crime in prison.

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Let your true colors shine ... you would rather torture someone endlessly than execute them instantly.

As has been said, having criminals in for life has the advantage that at least SOME of an innocent's life could be salvaged. Chalk up one great reason to ban the DP.

Do you feel that the collateral damage we tolerate today is worth continuing the DP? I do not.

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I never hear about the people accidentally murdered by the state being metioned by DP advocates, just victims of crimes. It really undermines your argument when you don't refer to them, just ignore as if it hasn't happened. Whereas DP opponents constantly mention both the victims of crimes and the victims of the overzealous DP system.

I seem to remember reading recently that, at least in most states, evidence is sealed upon completion of the execution. This dramatically reduces the odds of showing where states have executed the wrong person. I don't know if this is true or not, but I'm inclined to believe it.

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Great point. I guess the evidence is sealed anyway, since all you can ever see are the case filings, but a judge can unseal what they have to/want to. But I’ve asked the question endlessly; why can’t a family appeal a case after execution? The SCOTUS has constantly rejected posthumous cases as being moot for obvious reasons. But the rub here is that a prosecutor can appeal a criminal case where the defendant was acquitted and cannot be retried with or w/o appeal, but for procedural reasons not the particular case outcome itself. But a person’s family or estate cannot appeal a posthumous DP case? Why? Because the gov is afraid that the people will realize we have killed innocent people? Every corrupt gov defends itself, if even by illegal means.

Well, they must have heard me, because about 2 years ago the SCOTUS, for the first time, cherry-picked a posthumous DP case and reaffirmed it. Therefore, we must not execute innocent people, ever. However they did give posthumous exoneration to a case in the 50’s: a black woman was accused of killing a white man, she had a white male attorney, white male judge and an all white male jury. She was executed in short order. It would have been difficult to bring evidence and witnesses back, but they didn’t even review the case, just exonerate here which really isn’t justice and ignores the question as to whether we execute innocent people.

At the end of the day, we can rest assured that the gov and all proponents that are honest realize we do kill innocent people with our perfect system and have decided that it’s a fair trade-off. Really contradictory; we’re going to kill people, innocent or guilty, to dissuade people from killing other innocent people. Most of what the US does make as much sense; virtually match the world dollar-for-dollar in military spending, yet deny most citizens true medical care.

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Let your true colors shine ... you would rather torture someone endlessly than execute them instantly.

As has been said, having criminals in for life has the advantage that at least SOME of an innocent's life could be salvaged. Chalk up one great reason to ban the DP.

Do you feel that the collateral damage we tolerate today is worth continuing the DP? I do not.

To all you winers out there. The DP deters ignorant criminals from following the same foot steps as the dead guy! If you dont like our laws in Texas, then PLEASE dont come

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You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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The DP deters ignorant criminals from following the same foot steps as the dead guy!

So to you, the deterrent value is worth executing some innocents?

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