klingeme 1 #76 August 5, 2008 Does the bible mention the "other side of the coin"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #77 August 5, 2008 WOW!!!! do you ever have a way of twisting the truth of God. Yes, HE DID CREATE IT ALL. Science is the thought of man in the world. CONSCIENCE is the thought of God in the world. It depends on which one you wish to follow. Science, the voice/thought of the world will bring you closer alright, but not to God. Jesus said, that he who loves the world and the things of the world do not have the love of God in him. Those who receive Science over CONSCIENCE are those who worship the things of the world that science holds so dear. ______________________________________________ The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God ; for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them, for they are Spiritually discerned ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ). But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the ( self styled ) wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty ( things of importance and Spiritually discerned) ( 1st Corinthians 1:27) Both man and beasts were created on the sixth day of creation, which is the time in which the world still exists ( Genesis 1:24-25 ). Man was created in the image of God ( with a soul, that "can" live eternally. The animals do not have a soul, and perish completely when they die. Those who donot believe in Jesus Christ, and do not have Spiritual guidance from God Almighty, are like the beasts that perish. God created man and woman on the sixth day of creation ( Genesis 1:26 to 28 )., and man became a living soul ( Genesis 2:7 ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #78 August 5, 2008 >God created man and woman on the sixth day of creation I am afraid you are incorrect! The Bible clearly states that the heavens and earth were made on the second day: "Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day." It also quite clearly states that God created Man on the same day, before he created plants: "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #79 August 5, 2008 Quote WOW!!!! do you ever have a way of twisting the truth of God. Yes, HE DID CREATE IT ALL. Science is the thought of man in the world. CONSCIENCE is the thought of God in the world. It depends on which one you wish to follow. Science, the voice/thought of the world will bring you closer alright, but not to God. Jesus said, that he who loves the world and the things of the world do not have the love of God in him. Those who receive Science over CONSCIENCE are those who worship the things of the world that science holds so dear. ______________________________________________ The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God ; for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them, for they are Spiritually discerned ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ). But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the ( self styled ) wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty ( things of importance and Spiritually discerned) ( 1st Corinthians 1:27) Both man and beasts were created on the sixth day of creation, which is the time in which the world still exists ( Genesis 1:24-25 ). Man was created in the image of God ( with a soul, that "can" live eternally. The animals do not have a soul, and perish completely when they die. Those who donot believe in Jesus Christ, and do not have Spiritual guidance from God Almighty, are like the beasts that perish. God created man and woman on the sixth day of creation ( Genesis 1:26 to 28 )., and man became a living soul ( Genesis 2:7 ) wait, if he created it all, did he NOT create "the thought of man in the world"? If that's something we made up...then it means God did NOT create everything, as you say. so which is it? Where in the bible does it say i have to choose between using my God-given FREE WILL and my God-given conscience? NOWHERE. because free will is one of God's gifts to us. You are very proud, Bill, to claim to know without a doubt the mind and plan of God. Once again i repeat some verses that perhaps you and many like you should take to heart: Job 38:4-7 "4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone- 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?" Where were you, Bill? Surely YOU know the mind of God, since you seem so eager to tell us...Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #80 August 5, 2008 Quote Are you even reading what I'm writing? I doubt it because I'm not the one confusing fact and theory and their relationship. No, you are. Evolution is both fact and theory. Micro/macro is misleading and irrelevant, and if you think only one of them is fact and only one of them theory then you are, again, quite wrong.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck.reilly 0 #81 August 5, 2008 There is no "other" side, only superstition and mythology. Evolution is science, intelligent design is an attempt to put lipstick on the pig that is religion. I cannot believe that in the 21st century people are still so ignorant as to believe that some mumbo jumbo deity thought the universe into existence. I tell all of those intelligent design folks, keep you mythology out of my school and I'll keep my science out of your church.----------------------------------- "There are two kinds of skydivers in this world, the kind that skydive to enrich their lives and the kind that skydive to define their lives. Don't be the latter." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #82 August 5, 2008 Quote Does the bible mention the "other side of the coin"? If you mean evolution, of course not. If you mean leaving open the possibility (the surety, in my mind) that there is no way for humans to fully understand God or his plans, then yes, that sentiment is everywhere. This, of course, leaves open all manner of scientific possibilities. Check my quote from Job for an example. Heck, God is even a little bit sarcastic there Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #83 August 5, 2008 There you go again;;;twisting the WORD of God to suit your needs . Yes, God gave man His freewill, but that gives us the right to choose to follow the world ( Satan and the things of the world) or to follow God. One is science and the other is Conscience. Follow the world and you will perish like the beasts without a soul. Follow God and have life eternal. That is the choice God has offered you. Twist it any way you like, but the end result is going to be the same. The person who is wrapped up in the world cannot have the Spirit of God in him, because the things of God are Spiritually discerned. Take your pick...its one or the other.!!!! Give yourself to the world and you are lost eternally Give yourself to God and you have life eternally. You, Bikerbabe, are just like all the other lost souls in this website.....confused and " like the beasts that perish."...if you do not repent and accept Christ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #84 August 5, 2008 wait, so you're saying science was made by satan? I see. I thought God was the only creator? Here is where we differ, Bill. I BELIEVE that science is a "thing of God", since God created everything. You do not, you think it is a thing of satan. So the fact that you are using science for your personal benefit doesn't kinda sit badly with you? I mean, it IS a thing of the world, and thus of Satan. So perhaps you'd best destroy your computer, move out to a lean-to in the woods, eat food you only grow and gather for yourself, never see a doctor, write a letter, read a book, or use a flush toilet again. All those things came from science. So you are not only proud and apparently KNOW without a doubt the mind of God, you are also a hypocrite. good to know. By the way, Bill, i have repented and accepted Christ. Fortunately, Christ loves everyone equally. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #85 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Are you even reading what I'm writing? I doubt it because I'm not the one confusing fact and theory and their relationship. No, you are. Evolution is both fact and theory. Micro/macro is misleading and irrelevant, and if you think only one of them is fact and only one of them theory then you are, again, quite wrong. Micro and macro is not misleading or irrelevant because it is the micro that is fact and the macro that is theory (currently). Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #86 August 5, 2008 >Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? I don't think you do! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #87 August 5, 2008 Quote Micro and macro is not misleading or irrelevant because it is the micro that is fact and the macro that is theory (currently). Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? The very fact (pun not intended) that you put (currently) in brackets implies that you think the theory could become a fact, which would mean that you did not understand the difference between fact and theory. Read the link I provided. the nice Mr Gould will explain everything.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #88 August 5, 2008 Quote The person who is wrapped up in the world cannot have the Spirit of God in him, because the things of God are Spiritually discerned. Take your pick...its one or the other.!!!! Now this would be where I disagree most. Why do you have to choose? Why would God not approve of his/her/its creation using its God given highly developed brain to explore the vast intricacies of God's creations? It seems odd that a powerful God would prefer that a marvelous creation should ignore its cognitive capabilities and instead, walk around beating itself in the head with a book and chanting, never questioning, only faithfully repeating verse and vowing loyalty and commitment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #89 August 5, 2008 Quote One is science and the other is Conscience. Is that a Freudian slip? Yes, one is science and the other is against science. So far, chuteless' argument is scoring a 0.000001 on the Marg scale of reasoning.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #90 August 5, 2008 Quote Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? No, that's why I asked you to explain the difference.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #91 August 5, 2008 How do you creationists overlook evidence such as what is pointed out my post on the last page about the evolution of Birds, but continue to rant about god and his creations? You choose to argue against things that you think you know about but ignore stuff that you cannot understand because it does not fit in your theories. How do birds with no wings make it to a place that didn't have birds before, did they swim? Do you believe in Dinosaurs, the Jurassic period, other planets or other realms of our universe? These subjects were basically not known to man when the bible was written; this is why is there no mention of such things in the bible. If the bible is the word of God then why did he not explain or mention these things? These are the type if things that sway me away from religion, I have asked all those that have come to my house to try to convert me; I have asked those that preach in the street. I do have an open mind but why are Christians and others stumped by such questions? Come on play the game, where does this stuff fit in with your beliefs?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #92 August 5, 2008 Quote Now this would be where I disagree most. Why do you have to choose? Why would God not approve of his/her/its creation using its God given highly developed brain to explore the vast intricacies of God's creations? It seems odd that a powerful God would prefer that a marvelous creation should ignore its cognitive capabilities and instead, walk around beating itself in the head with a book and chanting, never questioning, only faithfully repeating verse and vowing loyalty and commitment. well said, and what i've been trying to communicate, as well. And actually, God DOES prefer that we use our brains...it's why He gave us free will. Honestly, what value would forced belief have? How much more valuable is the worship of those who CHOOSE to believe in Him freely, which is why free will is His greatest gift to us. Coming to God because you're told to is much less powerful and meaningful than coming to God because you choose to.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #93 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? No, that's why I asked you to explain the difference. A reptile losing it's legs would be micro. A reptile becoming a mammal would be macro."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #94 August 5, 2008 Another thought in this discussion is how long is a day to God? Time is not as constant as we believe, because as we get older, time goes by faster. When you are 5 years old, 1 month is 1/60th of forever as far as you are concerned because it is 1/60 of your existence. 1 month to me (33) is 1/396th of forever. My perception of 1 hour and the perception of a 5 year old who is told to wait one hour are completely different. Multiply this by infinity and you have God's perspective. Who is to say that 1 day to God was not several million years? Who's to say he didn't create animals at 5:00 am (his time, because he's an early riser) and got around to making man at around 8:00 pm (His time)? So how long was this in My time? Could be 100 Million years. Just another perspective on the discussion. Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #95 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? No, that's why I asked you to explain the difference. A reptile losing it's legs would be micro. A reptile becoming a mammal would be macro. You just made that up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #96 August 5, 2008 Quote How do you creationists overlook evidence such as what is pointed out my post on the last page about the evolution of Birds, but continue to rant about god and his creations? You choose to argue against things that you think you know about but ignore stuff that you cannot understand because it does not fit in your theories. How do birds with no wings make it to a place that didn't have birds before, did they swim? Do you believe in Dinosaurs, the Jurassic period, other planets or other realms of our universe? These subjects were basically not known to man when the bible was written; this is why is there no mention of such things in the bible. If the bible is the word of God then why did he not explain or mention these things? These are the type if things that sway me away from religion, I have asked all those that have come to my house to try to convert me; I have asked those that preach in the street. I do have an open mind but why are Christians and others stumped by such questions? Come on play the game, where does this stuff fit in with your beliefs? I'm sorry that you think i'm a creationist. the creation story is not, nor will it EVER be, science. Nowhere in my posts have i said that evolution is wrong, in fact, every word i have posted has argued to the contrary. Please reread. I said i believe God created everything. I did NOT say i believe that God didn't create evolution as well, as a means to His end. I never once said that the Genesis story isn't more than a metaphor given to a people over 5000 years ago to attempt to assuage their fears by trying to explain the unexplainable. If god had said "well, abraham, what really happened was this:" then launched into a lengthy discussion of evolutionary biology...really...do you think they would have "got it"? The purpose of the Bible, as a book of FAITH, is to outline, examine, and describe that faith. It's not a science book. It's people like Bill who try to make it into one. Your post should be directed at chuteless. I do NOT believe that science and faith are mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, the more science we know, the more they become mutually INclusive. in short, evolution happened as the fossil records, Darwin, and whoever else you wish to quote have proven it did. I also happen to believe that all of it is created by God. I am not trying to convert you. I am not stumped by the questions. However, you may choose to hear what you want to hear in my responses...that i cannot change.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #97 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? No, that's why I asked you to explain the difference. A reptile losing it's legs would be micro. A reptile becoming a mammal would be macro. Those are anecdotal examples. Please, explain the difference. What are the definitive characteristics that make macro-evolution different from micro-evolution?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #98 August 5, 2008 Quote Another thought in this discussion is how long is a day to God? Ah, the old "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" argument, which arises periodically here. It's a bunch of BS, but your whack at it wasn't half-bad. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #99 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Micro and macro is not misleading or irrelevant because it is the micro that is fact and the macro that is theory (currently). Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? The very fact (pun not intended) that you put (currently) in brackets implies that you think the theory could become a fact, which would mean that you did not understand the difference between fact and theory. The bracket implies that I think the theory could become a fact given future discoveries, technology, etc.... The very fact (pun not intended) that you don't understand how theories can become facts means you do not understand what a fact or theory is."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #100 August 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Do you understand the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution? No, that's why I asked you to explain the difference. A reptile losing it's legs would be micro. A reptile becoming a mammal would be macro. Those are anecdotal examples. Please, explain the difference. What are the definitive characteristics that make macro-evolution different from micro-evolution? Micro evolution occurs within a species. Macro evolution occurs when a species becomes a completely different species (that is incapable of interbreeding)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
