pop 0 #1 August 1, 2008 If an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 August 1, 2008 How about the jurors that found the person guilty in the first place? Should they be put to death as well?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #3 August 1, 2008 QuoteHow about the jurors that found the person guilty in the first place? Should they be put to death as well? It took a team to kill an innocent person. Go team effort. Sounds like the entire team is guilty. Their actions left an innocent person dead...DEAD! Kinda scary when the goverment haas the right to kill.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 August 1, 2008 The death penalty is something prosecuted by society, not the functionaries of that society. If the judge and prosecutor are responsible, then all judges, prosecutors and jurors must be personally responsible for all other incorrect convictions. What about the future crimes of the incorrectly acquitted? On the other hand, if a prosecutor or cop can be shown to deliberately present false evidence to the court, I think they should be criminally responsible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #5 August 1, 2008 The jurors have to show up and the prosecutor only represents the bigger problem... but the judge? There is accountability in that role. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #6 August 1, 2008 QuoteIf an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly. Well by that logic add the executioner that actually does the killing, the cop doing the initial arresting, the person doing the initial accusing, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 August 1, 2008 QuoteOn the other hand, if a prosecutor or cop can be shown to deliberately present false evidence to the court, I think they should be criminally responsible. QFTMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 August 1, 2008 That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #9 August 1, 2008 Quote That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment Amen!7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 August 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly. Well by that logic add the executioner that actually does the killing, the cop doing the initial arresting, the person doing the initial accusing, etc. Why leave out the defense attorney who failed so badly? And what happens if after all these people are killed, we find out the guy really was guilty? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 August 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly. Well by that logic add the executioner that actually does the killing, the cop doing the initial arresting, the person doing the initial accusing, etc. Why leave out the defense attorney who failed so badly? And what happens if after all these people are killed, we find out the guy really was guilty? Then it all starts over again.... it's really just an elaborate plot to "first, kill all the lawyers" (paraphrased).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 August 1, 2008 Well, then you execute the people who executed the people responsible for executing the guy.... Easy huh? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #13 August 1, 2008 Yeah, but then you'd have to execute the. . . sorry. I'll get me coat. . . Still, Ash wood's good if you can find it. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 August 1, 2008 Quote Still, Ash wood's good if you can find it. Pluck yew!!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #15 August 1, 2008 Quote Quote Still, Ash wood's good if you can find it. Pluck yew!!! You be solly! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 August 1, 2008 QuoteWell, then you execute the people who executed the people responsible for executing the guy.... Easy huh? How about the parents of the executioner? Then the doctors that cared for him so he could grow up and kill for the state? Well, then we can't leave out the people that hired those doctors and their schools where they got their medical degree either. How about the people that voted for the politicians that allows this to go on? At some point there will be one person left, he lives in a shack in Montana and mails bombs to people...wait, no, we got that guy, so I guess there's no one left in the world.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #17 August 1, 2008 Quote Quote That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment Amen! According to Amnesty International, 137 countries have abolished the death penalty. During 2007, 24 countries, 88% in China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United States alone, executed 1,252 people compared to 1,591 in 2006. Nearly 3,350 people were sentenced to death in 51 countries. More than 20,000 prisoners are on death row across the world. Now notice the other countries that practice the death pentalty as much as the US. NOT something for us to brag about. I think the death penalty is wrong either way. We were taught as kids that two wrongs do not make a right!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 August 1, 2008 QuoteWe were taught as kids that two wrongs do not make a right! Well, since we're talking about kids, now... we were also taught "Don't do bad things" and "Actions have consequences" - or at least I was.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #19 August 1, 2008 QuoteIf an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly. You're pretty darned quick to want to go out and kill a bunch of people. The correct answer should be: "It depends". The only people that should be thus punished would be those that KNEW he was innocent or WITHHELD evidence of his innocence. But if everyone was acting in good faith on all the evidence available at the time, and that evidence pointed towards guilt, then they should not be blamed if something else turns up later to exonerate him. Then it would have been an unfortunate mistake, but not caused by anyone intentionally trying to frame him, knowing all along he wasn't guilty. So hang your rope back up in the garage, and tell the posse to stand down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #20 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf an innocent man is put on death row and later executed, should the judge and the prosecutor be also put to death for killing an innocent man? I'd say hell yeah if I agreed with the death penatly. Well by that logic add the executioner that actually does the killing, the cop doing the initial arresting, the person doing the initial accusing, etc. No. You're wrong. You'd have to show that they did something that amounts to malfeasance. A cop doing the initial arrest, and the initial accuser, do not convict the accused, nor do they pass sentence. They just do the job of getting the guy into the system by which guilt or acquittal are determined. I do agree that if someone in the system can be proved to have acted with malfeasance--that is, deliberately doing wrong under color of their authority, like falsifying evidence, destroying or concealing exculpatory evidence--then yeah, I think they themselves should face execution. But if the law was applied in good faith, no one connected to the execution that was done in error should be held to account for honest mistakes, or things they couldn't have known. And for whoever said that the jury should be held accountable--why? The jury just weighs what the court tells it are the facts. They are under strict rules and guidance by the judge. They get told what the official facts they are allowed to consider are. They are told the definitions of the law as it applies to the case they are judging. There really is a limited scope of decisions they are allowed to make. And certainly, all of their decisions derive from what the prosecution tells them, so if there were to be blame, it would fall on the prosecution team.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #21 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment Amen! According to Amnesty International, 137 countries have abolished the death penalty. During 2007, 24 countries, 88% in China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United States alone, executed 1,252 people compared to 1,591 in 2006. Nearly 3,350 people were sentenced to death in 51 countries. More than 20,000 prisoners are on death row across the world. Now notice the other countries that practice the death pentalty as much as the US. NOT something for us to brag about. I think the death penalty is wrong either way. We were taught as kids that two wrongs do not make a right! The world got together to award the Olympics to China. Not something to brag about, but look at how many nations had a hand in that decision. I do not think the death penalty is wrong. I think it is a viable, legitimate way for the good elements in society to rid themselves of the dangers posed to them by the bad elements of society. Society owes that to itself. And, um, I want to remind you that just because a lot of those anti-death penalty nations don't use capital punishment, that doesn't mean that people are not dying wrongfully in those countries in droves. It doesn't take capital punishment to have wide-scale wrongful killing. For your information, Cambodia, Rwanda, Namibia and Kenya have all outlawed capital punishment. Real paradises, those. No one gettin' killed extralegally there, no sir! source: this websiteSpirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #22 August 4, 2008 Quote That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment And civilized people don't commit capital offenses. You're WAAAY overthinking this thing...heh. Just GO with it. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 August 4, 2008 yeap, you is right (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #24 August 4, 2008 Quote That's why civilised countries dont have capital punishment I read that and just thought "you're right. You just send them to Australia!" (I know it's a pop off comment... but it amused me.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #25 August 4, 2008 and I think that we got the raw end of that deal... Crims go sun them selves in Oz and our lot stayed here in the rain .... perverse sort of logic that (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
