Yet another looney with a gun

[kelpdiver 2]

Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

This contributed substantially to the emergence of the homeless population in the 80s. However, I don't believe these are the mentally ill that purchase expensive handguns from dealers and then commit shootings. So it seems like yet another red herring from the fishmonger from Illinois.

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So it seems like yet another red herring from the fishmonger from Illinois.

Oh, say it isn't so!!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,107]

>What a crock of shit - if it's THAT easy to do, why couldn't he just take
>it back, Bill?

Perhaps you could ask this cop:

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CHICAGO - A veteran Chicago police officer was killed Wednesday by a woman who grabbed his gun during a struggle and shot him in the head, authorities said.

Officer Richard Francis, 60, was pronounced dead at Illinois Masonic Medical Center a little over an hour after the 2 a.m. shooting, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.
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He must have been a complete idiot, since he forgot to "just take it back." Maybe you should talk to local cops who don't know about your technique! It could save their lives.

>For that matter, if it's that easy, why aren't all the victims taking the
>gun away from the criminals?

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2:24 PM PDT, July 26, 2008

A would-be bank robber was shot with his own gun this afternoon during a botched heist attempt in Van Nuys, police said.

The gun-toting man walked into a branch of Wells Fargo bank in the 6800 block of Van Nuys Boulevard around 12:30 p.m. and tried to pull off a one-man caper, said Officer Kate Lopez, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department.

A security guard confronted the man and "a struggle ensued," Lopez said. The robber, whose identity has not been released, was shot as the two wrestled for control of the weapon.
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I can find several instances where 'blue ice' from airliners have killed people - that doesn't mean it happens every time, or is even common.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,107]

> I can find several instances where 'blue ice' from airliners have killed
>people - that doesn't mean it happens every time, or is even common.

Agreed. It is rare for a criminal to get a gun away from a legal gun owner/user and use it against him. Then again, it is also rare for people to be injured or killed due to a lack of a gun.

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The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

And how would you "work towards that" exactly?

- door to door search and confiscation?
- aircraft mounted with giant magnets to suck them all up?

You're right, the 2nd amendment was the opening of the pandora's box. But here we are today, and there's more guns than people out there.

Got any productive suggestions for solving the gun crime problem other than taking them away from non-criminals?

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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Maybe you could show me how it was such a problem before 1968, when ANYONE could walk into the local hardware store and buy a gun?

It's a CRIMINAL/societal problem, not a gun problem. Every day, hundreds of millions of gun owners commit NO crimes.

It was after 1968 that Reagan emptied the asylums.

Wow... Reagan emptied asylums all over the country in 68?

Weak - try again.

Yet again you hit "Post" without reading what was written. It's getting to be a bad habit with you (or maybe you just need to get your reading glasses prescription updated).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,146]

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Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

This contributed substantially to the emergence of the homeless population in the 80s. However, I don't believe these are the mentally ill that purchase expensive handguns from dealers and then commit shootings. So it seems like yet another red herring from the fishmonger from Illinois.

Who said they have to be expensive? Your herring is as redder than mine.

Fascinating reading.

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[kallend 2,146]

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Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

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I think you are forgetful. As Prez he cut back on federal assistance to the states for support of the mentally ill, resulting in many ending up on the streets throughout the country (depending on whether the states could afford to take up the slack).
www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Maybe you could show me how it was such a problem before 1968, when ANYONE could walk into the local hardware store and buy a gun?

It's a CRIMINAL/societal problem, not a gun problem. Every day, hundreds of millions of gun owners commit NO crimes.

It was after 1968 that Reagan emptied the asylums.

Wow... Reagan emptied asylums all over the country in 68?

Weak - try again.

Yet again you hit "Post" without reading what was written. It's getting to be a bad habit with you (or maybe you just need to get your reading glasses prescription updated).

What bad habit is that? Calling bullshit on your lame reasons for crime?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[mnealtx 0]

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Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

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I think you are forgetful. As Prez he cut back on federal assistance to the states for support of the mentally ill, resulting in many ending up on the streets throughout the country (depending on whether the states could afford to take up the slack).
www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html

I was unaware that Reagan was President in 1968, as you inferred above.

Also bullshit is the inferrence that the homeless/mentally ill will have the several hundred dollars to walk into a gun store and buy a weapon, not to mention valid identification (or the probability of passing a NICS check)

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[mnealtx 0]

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> I can find several instances where 'blue ice' from airliners have killed
>people - that doesn't mean it happens every time, or is even common.

Agreed. It is rare for a criminal to get a gun away from a legal gun owner/user and use it against him. Then again, it is also rare for people to be injured or killed due to a lack of a gun.

Several millions in Germany, Soviet Russia, China, Cambodia, Rwanda, etc.
Columbine
VA Tech
Appalachian Law School
Pearl High School
Several church and mall shootings
x number of others from this page that could have gone the other way, if unarmed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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You're right, the 2nd amendment was the opening of the pandora's box. But here we are today, and there's more guns than people out there.

Got any productive suggestions for solving the gun crime problem other than taking them away from non-criminals?

Have an amnesty for illegal guns and offer cash for them?

Stop sales of ammunition from outlets such as wal mart, and have higher restrictions on pirchasing ammunition?

Increase the penalties for carrying an illegal weapon?

increase the prerequesates of owning a firearm.

Produce new calibres and stop the production of old ammunition, this would disable many firarms and all old models over time? probably an extreme method but would be affective over time.

I havn't thought about it much as it will probably never happen. Whatever I say or think, there will be a pro gun creature to oppose me or anyine else so it is not really worth the time, It is funny watching some of you guys get fired up over the subject though.

I really wonder if some of you guys wank yourselves while stroking your guns? It is quite disturbing how pasionate you are about them, they are only a tool remember.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Stop sales of ammunition from outlets such as wal mart, and have higher restrictions on pirchasing ammunition?

I reload thousands of rounds every couple of months. More reliable that way. And cheaper.

Muff #5048

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Have an amnesty for illegal guns and offer cash for them?

Only the law abiding follow it.

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Stop sales of ammunition from outlets such as wal mart, and have higher restrictions on pirchasing ammunition?

That would have more of an effect on the law-abiding owners than the criminals (black market)

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Increase the penalties for carrying an illegal weapon?

They already have that - it hasn't seemed to have any effect.

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increase the prerequesates of owning a firearm.

Only affects the law-abiding - Joe Gangbanger isn't buying his guns from the local gunstore.

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Produce new calibres and stop the production of old ammunition, this would disable many firarms and all old models over time? probably an extreme method but would be affective over time.

Possible solution, but doubtful it would ever come to pass, to be honest. This would affect military and police more than anyone else, I would think (9mm).

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I havn't thought about it much as it will probably never happen. Whatever I say or think, there will be a pro gun creature to oppose me or anyine else so it is not really worth the time, It is funny watching some of you guys get fired up over the subject though.

Agreed, but in reverse.

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I really wonder if some of you guys wank yourselves while stroking your guns? It is quite disturbing how pasionate you are about them, they are only a tool remember.

Do you wank off thinking of all the innocents that are killed by the criminals? I'd tell you where you could stuff your presumptions and projections, but that be a PA.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,107]

>Several millions in Germany, Soviet Russia, China, Cambodia, Rwanda, etc.

True. And I guess there are a few tens of thousands of Iraqis who did not have sufficient firepower to defend themselves against the US troops who (intentionally or unintentionally) killed them. For some reason, though, I suspect you're happy about that.

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>Several millions in Germany, Soviet Russia, China, Cambodia, Rwanda, etc.

True. And I guess there are a few tens of thousands of Iraqis who did not have sufficient firepower to defend themselves against the US troops who (intentionally or unintentionally) killed them. For some reason, though, I suspect you're happy about that.

I don't believe that I've ever said anything even approaching that. Projecting again, Bill?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kelpdiver 2]

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Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

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I think you are forgetful. As Prez he cut back on federal assistance to the states for support of the mentally ill, resulting in many ending up on the streets throughout the country (depending on whether the states could afford to take up the slack).
www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html

Briefly scanning the beginning of this article, I see it confirm that these changes began in the 70s, while Reagan completed the deal. Blaming him entirely for it is politically motivated mistruth.

As for expensive or not, the cheapest gun you'd buy at an FFL are out of reach for crazy homeless people. The nuisance fees alone (DROS, mandatory trigger lock purchase) are considerable. In your state, add the bullshit application process. No, they're going to get a cheap low quality gun from the guy at the corner.

so....when do we get an answer on Americans' right to private medical records? Ever?

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Reagan did contribute to this trend as governor of California, but it was also done nationally throughout the 70s before he became President. So some of the attribution of this to him is unfair, but it would also be false to say he was uninvolved.

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I think you are forgetful. As Prez he cut back on federal assistance to the states for support of the mentally ill, resulting in many ending up on the streets throughout the country (depending on whether the states could afford to take up the slack).
www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html

Briefly scanning the beginning of this article, I see it confirm that these changes began in the 70s, while Reagan completed the deal. Blaming him entirely for it is politically motivated mistruth.

As for expensive or not, the cheapest gun you'd buy at an FFL are out of reach for crazy homeless people. The nuisance fees alone (DROS, mandatory trigger lock purchase) are considerable. In your state, add the bullshit application process. No, they're going to get a cheap low quality gun from the guy at the corner.

so....when do we get an answer on Americans' right to private medical records? Ever?

Nothing's private any more. But you know that.

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[billvon 3,107]

>I don't believe that I've ever said anything even approaching that.

Sorry! I assumed that when you mentioned all the innocents who might have been spared death if they had had guns, I thought you meant ALL the innocent civilians, rather than just the ones you wanted to use as an example. My bad.

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>I don't believe that I've ever said anything even approaching that.

Sorry! I assumed that when you mentioned all the innocents who might have been spared death if they had had guns, I thought you meant ALL the innocent civilians, rather than just the ones you wanted to use as an example. My bad.

Quite the snark today, Bill - have a bad weekend, or did someone piss in your Wheaties at work?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,107]

>Quite the snark today, Bill - have a bad weekend . . .

Had a great weekend! I just forget the sort of logic you use sometimes, sorry.

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so....when do we get an answer on Americans' right to private medical records? Ever?

Nothing's private any more. But you know that.

so translating - you advocate a process by which all medical records with possible threat of gun violations should be flagged and entered into a database that can be accessed by the InstaCheck process (as well as by airlines and cops doing a traffic stop)?

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>Quite the snark today, Bill - have a bad weekend . . .

Had a great weekend! I just forget the sort of logic you use sometimes, sorry.

Ah, the veiled insult - how about you actually refute what I said?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,107]

>how about you actually refute what I said?

OK. #1 -Spent the weekend with my family in New York and saw the nieces and nephews, and a great time was had by all. And no one could possibly piss in my wheaties since I have no wheaties.

#2 - if you are going to count all the innocent people who could have used a gun to defend themselves against people you don't like, you have to count all the innocent people who could have used a gun to defend themselves against people you DO like. Cops, US soldiers etc.