Yet another looney with a gun

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Nope - I meant what I said. I wasn't terrified of school or anyone there, and nobody was terrified of me as I went to/from rifle team practice.

that is a bit different to 'packing a piece', you never mentioned it was a rifle and you wouldn't have been carrying a rifle around with you all day. it would have been in your car or in the range, skeet area.

We had rifle clubs at school too.

You gave the impression you were 'packing a piece' so to speak. that is a whole different ball park.

I am have never been afraid of someone killing me, but I live in a country where it is illegal to carry a loaded gun, even for police people most of the time.

If i saw drunken redneck yahoo fuckwits waving thier guns around.... then you i would be scared, Idiots shouldn't allowed to have guns.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Tell us again how the VA Tech shooter, known to the police to have mental stability problems, legally bought his guns in Virginia?

Tell us again how the "no guns on campus" rule stopped him?

One of the silliest cart-before-the-horse questions you've posted. He wouldn't have shot anyone if he hadn't had a gun in the first place.

The key to dealing with loonies is to prevent them getting guns, not to shoot them after they've already killed a bunch of people. Doing it YOUR way just raises the rank of the USA in the homicide table where it is already near the top (and at the top of nations we'd like to be compared with).

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Tell us again how the VA Tech shooter, known to the police to have mental stability problems, legally bought his guns in Virginia?

Tell us again how the "no guns on campus" rule stopped him?

One of the silliest cart-before-the-horse questions you've posted. He wouldn't have shot anyone if he hadn't had a gun in the first place.

The key to dealing with loonies is to prevent them getting guns, not to shoot them after they've already killed a bunch of people. Doing it YOUR way just raises the rank of the USA in the homicide table where it is already near the top (and at the top of nations we'd like to be compared with).

Perhaps you can FINALLY tell us EXACTLY what you would do to prevent this. No referring back to the CCW qualifications - I want to know EXACTLY how you would change the existing federal laws to make your fantasy come true.

As for the stats you post - how many of those are suicides and how many are criminal on criminal murders?

Mike
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Nope - I meant what I said. I wasn't terrified of school or anyone there, and nobody was terrified of me as I went to/from rifle team practice.

that is a bit different to 'packing a piece', you never mentioned it was a rifle and you wouldn't have been carrying a rifle around with you all day. it would have been in your car or in the range, skeet area.

We had rifle clubs at school too.

You gave the impression you were 'packing a piece' so to speak. that is a whole different ball park.

I am have never been afraid of someone killing me, but I live in a country where it is illegal to carry a loaded gun, even for police people most of the time.

If i saw drunken redneck yahoo fuckwits waving thier guns around.... then you i would be scared, Idiots shouldn't allowed to have guns.

NOW, you're starting to post a bit more rationally about the concept - except for the 'redneck yahoo fuckwit' bit - but that's to be expected, I suppose.

Mike
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If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO.

If you can look at what happened at Virginia Tech

The place where a guy with a history of mental problems used legally purchased guns (contrary to Mike's statement that loonies can't purchase guns) to massacre 33 people --- that is fact. The rest of your post is pure speculation and BS.

He massacred 32 people... Then he killed himself.

Why is it that you cannot recognize and acknowledge the utter failure of the "gun-free zone"?

Face the fact: Virginia Tech was a designated "gun-free zone" and the good little boys and girls had left their guns at home even if they were licensed to carry them. And all that accomplished was making them helpless.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
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If you can look at what happened at Virginia Tech and still believe that a "no guns" policy has the ability to save lives; that evil people will drop their guns at the boundary of a "no guns zone"; that good people are safest when they have no means of fighting back; I think you should consider the lobotomy for yourself.

pro gun morons thinking guns in school is a good idea, really don`t realise how stupid they sound.

but morons will be morons...............

If you want to analyze the beliefs of morons,
let's take a look at the "success" of your Virginia Tech "gun-free zone". Worked real well, didn't it.

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Again - PROVE IT. What loopholes would those be, professor? WHY haven't the heroic gun-grabbers closed them in the last , oh, 20 years?

Lautenberg-Reed Bill (S2577):

Senators Frank Lautenberg and Jack Reed introduced legislation [S. 2577] that would strengthen the criminal background check system by closing the gun show loophole. Currently, convicted felons, domestic violence abusers, and those who are dangerously mentally ill can walk into any gun show and buy weapons from unlicensed sellers without being stopped, no questions asked.

Actually, it's still illegal for them to "walk into any gun show and buy weapons.

It's also still illegal for anyone to sell them weapons.

It is the responsibility of anyone selling a gun to know the eligibility or ineligibility of the prospective buyer. Never finding out via a background check that your buyer is a prohibited person does not excuse a seller for selling to someone who is not eligible to purchase a firearm. There is no "loophole" here. There is still "legal" and "illegal."

Saying that the prohibited buyer "can" walk into a gun show and buy a weapon (after he illegally misrepresents himself as a non-prohibited buyer) is no different from saying that it's a "loophole" that enables me to walk into a bank, hand the teller a note demanding all the cash in her drawers, and walking out with it.

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So you don't agree thet there are redneck fuckwit yahoos that carry thier shooters and fire them off when they are drunk?

That never happens?

Those street signs with lots of holes in them are made by hunters with a bad aim?

I have nothing agains rifles(in the hands of rational people), in fact my country needs more people to use them on the introduced mammals that are destroying our ecology.

Hand guns on the other hand should have no place in society except for on a policemans belt.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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We're not discussing unconstitutional laws, we're discussing LOOPHOLES in laws that have already passed constitutional muster, and poor or non-existent implementation of those laws.

He was giving you a choice - if you want to insure that mentally suspect citizens won't violate the law and purchase handguns, you will need to eliminate any right to privacy with regards to medical records as most recently bolstered by HIPAA. This would also have a secondary effect of discouraging people from seeking care from mental health professionals, rightly fearing the records would damage their rights and their job.

It would appear that Virginia was not following their own guidelines for records and might have prevented the sale if they had.

And if he had been prevented from purchasing guns legally, who can say he would not have obtained some illegally? Who can say he would not have found a "friend" the way Dylan & Klebold did, to purchase weapons for him?

Who is to say he would not instead have poured gasoline and thrown matches, and killed 186 people instead of 32?

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Don't you mean;

I used to carry a gun at school 5 days a week - why was I so terrified of school?

only you can answer that question.

I am not afraid of tools made of metal, I am afraid of 'tools' with red necks carrying guns, these tools like to use their tools, which scares me.

The criminals who carry guns, they don't like to use their tools, too?

We carry ours in case we need to defend against their use of theirs. You worry about our use of our tools when we avow that we carry them strictly for defense. And yet you don't worry about their use of them, when they clearly carry them for offense?

I wish I would be around to see your face when/if you come to be victimized and have nothing to use to defend yourself. You are gonna have one fuck of a shocked look on your face.

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I have never wet myself.... well maybe when I was a baby....

I have fired pistols and go hunting from time to time, i don't oppose guns fully.

If I was the frightened little individual you make me out to be I wouldn't skydive, I wouldn'y fly a JVX 86, I wouldn't swoop, i wouldn't be a tandem instructor, I wouldn't snowboard off 30'+ rocks and I wouldn't travel the world. I would stay at home and practice using my gun just in case something happens to me.

Carrying a gun around, especiallhy at school is probably one of the most cowardly things you could do....

you calling me scared...punk... go ahead, make my day..

See, I am now convinced that you are just at the opposite extreme: you are such the fearless daredevil that you have fantasies of being the badass who with his bare hands can handle any group of inner city thugs who come at him.

That's a very amusing image. Good luck with that, toughguy.

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So you don't agree thet there are redneck fuckwit yahoos that carry thier shooters and fire them off when they are drunk?

That never happens?

Those street signs with lots of holes in them are made by hunters with a bad aim?

I have nothing agains rifles(in the hands of rational people), in fact my country needs more people to use them on the introduced mammals that are destroying our ecology.

Hand guns on the other hand should have no place in society except for on a policemans belt.

Your fault is that you equate ALL gun owners with 'redneck fuckwit yahoos'.

Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

And, before you start on the "well, if they're not sold they can't be misused" angle - tell me how well that's working with drugs, will you?

Here, keep a close eye on this one - let me know when it starts shooting up the place, will you?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Maybe you could show me how it was such a problem before 1968, when ANYONE could walk into the local hardware store and buy a gun?

It's a CRIMINAL/societal problem, not a gun problem. Every day, hundreds of millions of gun owners commit NO crimes.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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...they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Really? What was this one designed to do exactly? According to the guys who make them they are designed to win IPSC competitions.

http://www.jvdynamics.com/custom_guns/open_guns.php

And now that I'm on the topic of SPORT SHOOTING shouldnt we ban paintball markers as well? You know those things can kill people to if you shoot marbles out of them. Or how about pellet rifles. We HAVE to ban those. They can kill too.

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Again - PROVE IT. What loopholes would those be, professor? WHY haven't the heroic gun-grabbers closed them in the last , oh, 20 years?

Lautenberg-Reed Bill (S2577):

Senators Frank Lautenberg and Jack Reed introduced legislation [S. 2577] that would strengthen the criminal background check system by closing the gun show loophole. Currently, convicted felons, domestic violence abusers, and those who are dangerously mentally ill can walk into any gun show and buy weapons from unlicensed sellers without being stopped, no questions asked.

Actually, it's still illegal for them to "walk into any gun show and buy weapons.

It's also still illegal for anyone to sell them weapons.

It is the responsibility of anyone selling a gun to know the eligibility or ineligibility of the prospective buyer. Never finding out via a background check that your buyer is a prohibited person does not excuse a seller for selling to someone who is not eligible to purchase a firearm. There is no "loophole" here. There is still "legal" and "illegal."

Saying that the prohibited buyer "can" walk into a gun show and buy a weapon (after he illegally misrepresents himself as a non-prohibited buyer) is no different from saying that it's a "loophole" that enables me to walk into a bank, hand the teller a note demanding all the cash in her drawers, and walking out with it.

Ha ha - you really have to stretch and still you make no sense at all, Mr. Anonymous.

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>I wish I would be around to see your face when/if you come to
>be victimized and have nothing to use to defend yourself.

It would be even more of a treat to see your face as you stare down the barrel of your own gun in the hands of someone who got his hands on it first!

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Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Of course it's unusual in NZ - you only have 4 million residents scattered about. There are far more people than that living just within 100km of me, and we still hear about every shooting on the news/papers.

The difference is the number of criminals, not the number of guns. The number of guns continues to rise with no relation to the use of them in crime.

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If you can look at what happened at Virginia Tech and still believe that a "no guns" policy has the ability to save lives; that evil people will drop their guns at the boundary of a "no guns zone"; that good people are safest when they have no means of fighting back; I think you should consider the lobotomy for yourself.

pro gun morons thinking guns in school is a good idea, really don`t realise how stupid they sound.

but morons will be morons...............

If you want to analyze the beliefs of morons,
let's take a look at the "success" of your Virginia Tech "gun-free zone". Worked real well, didn't it.

It wasn't a gun-free zone, since weak laws and poorly implemented laws (courtesy of folks like YOU) allowed a nutcase to buy guns and go on a shooting spree. You, Ms No Name Entered, share some of the responsibility every time something like this happens, because you condone weak laws that allow people like Cho to obtain firearms so easily.

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>I wish I would be around to see your face when/if you come to
>be victimized and have nothing to use to defend yourself.

It would be even more of a treat to see your face as you stare down the barrel of your own gun in the hands of someone who got his hands on it first!

What a crock of shit - if it's THAT easy to do, why couldn't he just take it back, Bill? For that matter, if it's that easy, why aren't all the victims taking the gun away from the criminals?

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Mike
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If you can look at what happened at Virginia Tech and still believe that a "no guns" policy has the ability to save lives; that evil people will drop their guns at the boundary of a "no guns zone"; that good people are safest when they have no means of fighting back; I think you should consider the lobotomy for yourself.

pro gun morons thinking guns in school is a good idea, really don`t realise how stupid they sound.

but morons will be morons...............

If you want to analyze the beliefs of morons,
let's take a look at the "success" of your Virginia Tech "gun-free zone". Worked real well, didn't it.

It wasn't a gun-free zone, since weak laws and poorly implemented laws (courtesy of folks like YOU) allowed a nutcase to buy guns and go on a shooting spree. You, Ms No Name Entered, share some of the responsibility every time something like this happens, because you condone weak laws that allow people like Cho to obtain firearms so easily.

It absolutely WAS a gun-free zone, since the law abiding gun owners that COULD have prevented this tragedy weren't allowed to carry their self-defense weapon under pain of prosecutions. In that regare, YOU share the blame every time something like this happens, when people are disarmed as YOU support.

Gee, isn't blamestorming fun?

Still waiting on the reply, professor... HOW are you going to change the laws? Exact examples, please - and please show how those changes WONT be used against other rights, thx.

Mike
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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Maybe you could show me how it was such a problem before 1968, when ANYONE could walk into the local hardware store and buy a gun?

It's a CRIMINAL/societal problem, not a gun problem. Every day, hundreds of millions of gun owners commit NO crimes.

It was after 1968 that Reagan emptied the asylums.

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It wasn't a gun-free zone, since weak laws and poorly implemented laws (courtesy of folks like YOU) allowed a nutcase to buy guns and go on a shooting spree. You, Ms No Name Entered, share some of the responsibility every time something like this happens, because you condone weak laws that allow people like Cho to obtain firearms so easily.

of course it was a gun free zone - those are accurately defined as places where citizens cannot legally possess a gun.

You didn't answer my question - are you willing to eliminate medical privacy to ensure that people seeking help for mental issues can't directly purchase firearms?

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Tell us again how the VA Tech shooter, known to the police to have mental stability problems, legally bought his guns in Virginia?

Hhhmmm, maybe you should ask someone in the ACLU!

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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Please explain how your "no handguns" is going to do ANYTHING to reduce crime, thanks. Do you really think that Joe Gangbanger is going to say "well, gee, handguns are illegal now - I guess I'll go turn mine in at the police station" - be real.

Your beloved 2nd ammendment had put you in a sad position indeed.

Not having the guns in the first place would have been the real answer, if someone so much as fires a gun in NZ it is all over the news.....

...why? because it doesn't usually happen.

The US is in a position where there are millions of guns in circulation, what is the answer?

Fuck knows? but not having them would be the answer, it s a shame you cant work towards that due to people like you that love their guns so much they fail to see what they are really designed to do.

Maybe you could show me how it was such a problem before 1968, when ANYONE could walk into the local hardware store and buy a gun?

It's a CRIMINAL/societal problem, not a gun problem. Every day, hundreds of millions of gun owners commit NO crimes.

It was after 1968 that Reagan emptied the asylums.

Wow... Reagan emptied asylums all over the country in 68?

Weak - try again.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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