mnealtx 0 #26 August 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Don't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Were that true, all Americans would be dead by now. It's pretty clear here that those variables are not correlated. It may be clear to you, but not to professional epidemiologists. How they doing on the Koch postulate proofs on that, anyway? Another uninformed, irrelevant post from mnealtx, someone who admits to knowing sweet FA about statistics I take that as praise, coming from someone that thinks epidemiologists know more about gun crime than criminologists. Unlike some, I don't pretend to think I'm an expert on everything. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/ And an irrelevant link too. Perhaps you should look at the revised thread title, professor.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #27 August 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteBeheads 1 http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/31/canada.bus/index.html Excellent rebuttle john So a homicide in Canada "rebuts" a triple homicide in the USA? Strange logic there, Pop.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #28 August 2, 2008 Fascinating how you, JohnRich and others try to justify the USA having the highest homicide rate of all western industrial nations and brush a multiple shooting homicide under the rug, with a bunch of irrelevances. If yesterday was a typical day in the US, 33 people were killed in shooting homicides and all you do is justify it. Not one word of outrage from you guys about the event in WI, just excuses and justification. Yep, I bet the families of the shooting victims in Wisconsin are happy about how their loved ones died in your good cause.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 August 2, 2008 QuoteFascinating how you, JohnRich and others try to justify the USA having the highest homicide rate of all western industrial nations and brush a multiple shooting homicide under the rug, with a bunch of irrelevances. If yesterday was a typical day in the US, 33 people were killed in shooting homicides and all you do is justify it. Not one word of outrage from you guys about the event in WI, just excuses and justification. Yep, I bet the families of the shooting victims in Wisconsin are happy about how their loved ones died in your good cause. As I bet the families of the murder victims in Chicago, NYC and Washington DC are happy about how their loved ones died in YOUR good cause, John. Where is YOUR outrage over the bus beheading, or the suicide bombers? Tragedies happen - they happen regardless of the presence of a gun - something you conveniently ignore. Now - did you actually want to DISCUSS something? Or are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #30 August 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Were that true, all Americans would be dead by now. It's pretty clear here that those variables are not correlated. It may be clear to you, but not to professional epidemiologists. Too bad for them. When a couple million guns are sold to civilians every year, yet murder rates stay constant, the conclusion is pretty easy. Guns are durable items - my newest one was purchased 8 years ago and they all look and function as new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 August 3, 2008 QuoteOr are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? I don't think that's actually true. I think quite a few mental patients and criminals have purchased weapons via the loopholes that exist in current law and attempts at closing those loopholes have been sometimes stymied by various pro-gun factions in the US. To be fair, the NRA has sometimes supported such legislation, but it seems to have a mixed bag of support in doing so as does the ACLU against it. http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/1/123quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leapinglizardto 0 #32 August 3, 2008 Quote Yup and with a gun around in that case at MOST 2 people would have been dead. You are right, that is a much better tally isn't it..... Fixed it for ya With a gun in the hands of a good guy, the other dead person would have been the looney with the knife, so that one doesn't count. And that would have ensured that he couldn't continue to kill others. That would be a good thing, believe it or not, even though it would involve the use of a gun. I notice that you didn't bother to comment on the other two methods of mass murder mentioned. Didn't "bomb vests" and "arson" fare well enough for you in comparison with guns? Tsk tsk. Very Well Said Gentlemen! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #33 August 3, 2008 QuoteQuote Or are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? You need to read the news more (not heard about the VA Tech shooting massacre?). Madmen and criminals are not SUPPOSED to be able to buy guns, but thanks to the diligent efforts of folks like you the laws are totally ineffective.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #34 August 4, 2008 Quote You need to read the news more (not heard about the VA Tech shooting massacre?). Madmen and criminals are not SUPPOSED to be able to buy guns, but thanks to the diligent efforts of folks like you the laws are totally ineffective. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #35 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote Or are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? You need to read the news more (not heard about the VA Tech shooting massacre?). Madmen and criminals are not SUPPOSED to be able to buy guns, but thanks to the diligent efforts of folks like you the laws are totally ineffective. And if i recall VA Tech had a no gun policy like you like! That did alot of good on keeping crazy people from carrying. Now if only the other (law biding)people that go to school there could cary maybe he would not have killed anybody, or at least not as many.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #36 August 4, 2008 If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #37 August 4, 2008 Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #38 August 4, 2008 Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen?????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #39 August 4, 2008 Quote If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. I am sorry i thought the last time i checked VA Tech was a college not just a school. Being a college that would mean that young adults go there, ooh wait i thing young adults are also alowed to serve our coutry(and cary guns). I personally trust a young adult to carry resposiably if they meet the requirments. So were were you going with your comment?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #40 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them.A fact??? I await your sources. I do believe that you expressed your OPINION (which you cant back up with fact) was expressed here In the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. I still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #41 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #42 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. And the possibility that people like you could end up governing US citizens is the most important purpose of the 2nd Amendment. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #43 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #44 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #45 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people. Oh damn you dont beleive me?>????And we all beleive that you have a point to your post. Oh wait are you not going to reply????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #46 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. A less aggro reply: Would you consider forced reeducation camp attendance as an alternative? Lobotomies could be performed on poor students. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #47 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Who says that's a "fact"? Where is that established? It's a strange thing that you make that claim. Every year, approximately 1,000,000 more firearms go into private ownership in the U.S. Can you tell us why we've had years in recent memory when the murder rate and crime rate have dropped in this country? Surely, since there is never a break in the steady climb in privately owned guns, there should never be anything but a steady increase in the number killed with guns, by your claim. Obviously, your claim is flat FALSE. QuoteIn the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. No, in this case, it becomes clear that you actually place a value on the life of a murderer this depraved, this ...evil. What the hell do you think is bad about having a guy like this die from the risk he incurs by killing innocents? QuoteI still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution. You believe that the Canada Greyhound murderer is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? You actually believe that there is some reason to doubt that the guy who was found with the victim's blood all over his hands, face, mouth, and down his throat, has to be "proven guilty"? ...Wow. I mean, just... wow. Holy shit that is one fucked up way to look at things. A guy is caught in the act, the only living person aboard the bus, EATING the HUMAN REMAINS of his victim, and you want to stand there and pout about "innocent until proven guilty." That is just fuckin' amazing.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #48 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Don't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Were that true, all Americans would be dead by now. It's pretty clear here that those variables are not correlated. It may be clear to you, but not to professional epidemiologists. Well, I dare say that 250,000,000 guns and untold tens of billions of rounds of ammunition should be enough to kill 300,000,000 people, even if we need a little extra to handle a few million illegal aliens that haven't been factored into the count. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #49 August 4, 2008 QuoteFascinating how you, JohnRich and others try to justify the USA having the highest homicide rate of all western industrial nations ... Fascinating how in order to make the U.S. look as bad as you want it to look, you have to limit the scope of comparison to "western industrialized nations." What is it about non-industrialized nations like Mexico, South Africa, Jamaica that automatically implies that gun bans in place in those nations should not be expected to have worked to make them safer than the U.S.? I mean, why do you have to single out "western industrialized nations" at all? Surely you should be able to hold up the U.S., with liberal access to guns, even to an island nation with very limited manufacturing, like Jamaica with its ban on guns, and Jamaica should come out with a lower homicide rate than the U.S. I mean, a country WITH a total ban on civilian gun ownership ought to have little difficulty -- even if they can't totally eradicate homicide -- achieve a homicide rate even just a bit lower than a country like ours where anyone can get a weapon!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #50 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteOr are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? I don't think that's actually true. I think quite a few mental patients and criminals have purchased weapons via the loopholes that exist in current law and attempts at closing those loopholes have been sometimes stymied by various pro-gun factions in the US. To be fair, the NRA has sometimes supported such legislation, but it seems to have a mixed bag of support in doing so as does the ACLU against it. Hold the phone. What exactly are you calling a "loophole"? Just because a private sale does not legally require a background check, that does not make it legal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon or to someone with a prohibitive mental health history. Just because someone can choose to ignore the law, and sell to someone whose background he hasn't checked out (anyone can pay law enforcement agencies to get such a check done) does not make it LEGAL to sell the gun to such a person if he is a prohibited buyer. The term "loophole" should not be applied the way you are using it. It's meant to be a LEGAL way of maneuvering around the intent of a law. When someone drives 95 mph in a 55 zone, is he using a "loophole" in the law? No, he's simply breaking the law. When someone sells a gun to a person who would have been found to be a prohibited buyer if a not-legally-required background check had been run, is he exploiting a "loophole" in the law? No, he is breaking the law by selling a gun to a prohibited buyer; it's his responsibility to make sure the buyer is eligible.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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rhys 0 #34 August 4, 2008 Quote You need to read the news more (not heard about the VA Tech shooting massacre?). Madmen and criminals are not SUPPOSED to be able to buy guns, but thanks to the diligent efforts of folks like you the laws are totally ineffective. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #35 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote Or are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? You need to read the news more (not heard about the VA Tech shooting massacre?). Madmen and criminals are not SUPPOSED to be able to buy guns, but thanks to the diligent efforts of folks like you the laws are totally ineffective. And if i recall VA Tech had a no gun policy like you like! That did alot of good on keeping crazy people from carrying. Now if only the other (law biding)people that go to school there could cary maybe he would not have killed anybody, or at least not as many.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #36 August 4, 2008 If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #37 August 4, 2008 Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #38 August 4, 2008 Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen?????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #39 August 4, 2008 Quote If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. I am sorry i thought the last time i checked VA Tech was a college not just a school. Being a college that would mean that young adults go there, ooh wait i thing young adults are also alowed to serve our coutry(and cary guns). I personally trust a young adult to carry resposiably if they meet the requirments. So were were you going with your comment?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #40 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them.A fact??? I await your sources. I do believe that you expressed your OPINION (which you cant back up with fact) was expressed here In the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. I still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #41 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #42 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. And the possibility that people like you could end up governing US citizens is the most important purpose of the 2nd Amendment. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #43 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #44 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #45 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people. Oh damn you dont beleive me?>????And we all beleive that you have a point to your post. Oh wait are you not going to reply????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #46 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. A less aggro reply: Would you consider forced reeducation camp attendance as an alternative? Lobotomies could be performed on poor students. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #47 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Who says that's a "fact"? Where is that established? It's a strange thing that you make that claim. Every year, approximately 1,000,000 more firearms go into private ownership in the U.S. Can you tell us why we've had years in recent memory when the murder rate and crime rate have dropped in this country? Surely, since there is never a break in the steady climb in privately owned guns, there should never be anything but a steady increase in the number killed with guns, by your claim. Obviously, your claim is flat FALSE. QuoteIn the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. No, in this case, it becomes clear that you actually place a value on the life of a murderer this depraved, this ...evil. What the hell do you think is bad about having a guy like this die from the risk he incurs by killing innocents? QuoteI still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution. You believe that the Canada Greyhound murderer is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? You actually believe that there is some reason to doubt that the guy who was found with the victim's blood all over his hands, face, mouth, and down his throat, has to be "proven guilty"? ...Wow. I mean, just... wow. Holy shit that is one fucked up way to look at things. A guy is caught in the act, the only living person aboard the bus, EATING the HUMAN REMAINS of his victim, and you want to stand there and pout about "innocent until proven guilty." That is just fuckin' amazing.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #48 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Don't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Were that true, all Americans would be dead by now. It's pretty clear here that those variables are not correlated. It may be clear to you, but not to professional epidemiologists. Well, I dare say that 250,000,000 guns and untold tens of billions of rounds of ammunition should be enough to kill 300,000,000 people, even if we need a little extra to handle a few million illegal aliens that haven't been factored into the count. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #49 August 4, 2008 QuoteFascinating how you, JohnRich and others try to justify the USA having the highest homicide rate of all western industrial nations ... Fascinating how in order to make the U.S. look as bad as you want it to look, you have to limit the scope of comparison to "western industrialized nations." What is it about non-industrialized nations like Mexico, South Africa, Jamaica that automatically implies that gun bans in place in those nations should not be expected to have worked to make them safer than the U.S.? I mean, why do you have to single out "western industrialized nations" at all? Surely you should be able to hold up the U.S., with liberal access to guns, even to an island nation with very limited manufacturing, like Jamaica with its ban on guns, and Jamaica should come out with a lower homicide rate than the U.S. I mean, a country WITH a total ban on civilian gun ownership ought to have little difficulty -- even if they can't totally eradicate homicide -- achieve a homicide rate even just a bit lower than a country like ours where anyone can get a weapon!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #50 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteOr are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? I don't think that's actually true. I think quite a few mental patients and criminals have purchased weapons via the loopholes that exist in current law and attempts at closing those loopholes have been sometimes stymied by various pro-gun factions in the US. To be fair, the NRA has sometimes supported such legislation, but it seems to have a mixed bag of support in doing so as does the ACLU against it. Hold the phone. What exactly are you calling a "loophole"? Just because a private sale does not legally require a background check, that does not make it legal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon or to someone with a prohibitive mental health history. Just because someone can choose to ignore the law, and sell to someone whose background he hasn't checked out (anyone can pay law enforcement agencies to get such a check done) does not make it LEGAL to sell the gun to such a person if he is a prohibited buyer. The term "loophole" should not be applied the way you are using it. It's meant to be a LEGAL way of maneuvering around the intent of a law. When someone drives 95 mph in a 55 zone, is he using a "loophole" in the law? No, he's simply breaking the law. When someone sells a gun to a person who would have been found to be a prohibited buyer if a not-legally-required background check had been run, is he exploiting a "loophole" in the law? No, he is breaking the law by selling a gun to a prohibited buyer; it's his responsibility to make sure the buyer is eligible.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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rhys 0 #36 August 4, 2008 If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #37 August 4, 2008 Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #38 August 4, 2008 Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen?????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #39 August 4, 2008 Quote If you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. I am sorry i thought the last time i checked VA Tech was a college not just a school. Being a college that would mean that young adults go there, ooh wait i thing young adults are also alowed to serve our coutry(and cary guns). I personally trust a young adult to carry resposiably if they meet the requirments. So were were you going with your comment?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them.A fact??? I await your sources. I do believe that you expressed your OPINION (which you cant back up with fact) was expressed here In the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. I still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #41 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #42 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. And the possibility that people like you could end up governing US citizens is the most important purpose of the 2nd Amendment. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #43 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #44 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #45 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hi John Deere. Have you had a talk with DeVoll yet about who employs whom? No need to. I know who works for who! These new fandangeld Computers have this neat option to remember accout info. Shit happens. Unless people live in a liberal bubble of lies ( no names metioned).So did you have a comment for this thread or just the typical liberal jargen????? So when DeVoll wrote that he owned the place, it was just a computer error and not a bunch of conservative lies. No Mr. BRIGHT one. if you would work on your reading compehension, you should have gatherd from my post (since you follow my post so closely). DeVoll account works for me. we sometime use the same computer. When i get on DZ.com or email or vendor accounts we sometimes end up on the wrong persons account (since the computer auto memorizes account info). All allong i thought you may be smart but just mis-guided. Sure - we ALL believe you and DeVoll are really different people. Oh damn you dont beleive me?>????And we all beleive that you have a point to your post. Oh wait are you not going to reply????Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #46 August 4, 2008 QuoteIf you seriously believe guns should be allowed to be carried at schools, your frontal lobe should be removed IMHO. A less aggro reply: Would you consider forced reeducation camp attendance as an alternative? Lobotomies could be performed on poor students. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #47 August 4, 2008 QuoteDon't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Who says that's a "fact"? Where is that established? It's a strange thing that you make that claim. Every year, approximately 1,000,000 more firearms go into private ownership in the U.S. Can you tell us why we've had years in recent memory when the murder rate and crime rate have dropped in this country? Surely, since there is never a break in the steady climb in privately owned guns, there should never be anything but a steady increase in the number killed with guns, by your claim. Obviously, your claim is flat FALSE. QuoteIn the case in Canada, one guy is dead, one guy is aprehended. In my mind one dead guy is better then two dead guys. But then I tend not to have the bloodlust you just displayed. No, in this case, it becomes clear that you actually place a value on the life of a murderer this depraved, this ...evil. What the hell do you think is bad about having a guy like this die from the risk he incurs by killing innocents? QuoteI still believe in judge and jury and innocent until proven guilty, you tend to believe in summary execution. You believe that the Canada Greyhound murderer is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? You actually believe that there is some reason to doubt that the guy who was found with the victim's blood all over his hands, face, mouth, and down his throat, has to be "proven guilty"? ...Wow. I mean, just... wow. Holy shit that is one fucked up way to look at things. A guy is caught in the act, the only living person aboard the bus, EATING the HUMAN REMAINS of his victim, and you want to stand there and pout about "innocent until proven guilty." That is just fuckin' amazing.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #48 August 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Don't need other examples. I know you like your guns. fact remains that the more guns are in circulation the more people get killed by them. Were that true, all Americans would be dead by now. It's pretty clear here that those variables are not correlated. It may be clear to you, but not to professional epidemiologists. Well, I dare say that 250,000,000 guns and untold tens of billions of rounds of ammunition should be enough to kill 300,000,000 people, even if we need a little extra to handle a few million illegal aliens that haven't been factored into the count. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #49 August 4, 2008 QuoteFascinating how you, JohnRich and others try to justify the USA having the highest homicide rate of all western industrial nations ... Fascinating how in order to make the U.S. look as bad as you want it to look, you have to limit the scope of comparison to "western industrialized nations." What is it about non-industrialized nations like Mexico, South Africa, Jamaica that automatically implies that gun bans in place in those nations should not be expected to have worked to make them safer than the U.S.? I mean, why do you have to single out "western industrialized nations" at all? Surely you should be able to hold up the U.S., with liberal access to guns, even to an island nation with very limited manufacturing, like Jamaica with its ban on guns, and Jamaica should come out with a lower homicide rate than the U.S. I mean, a country WITH a total ban on civilian gun ownership ought to have little difficulty -- even if they can't totally eradicate homicide -- achieve a homicide rate even just a bit lower than a country like ours where anyone can get a weapon!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #50 August 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteOr are you going to go on your normal "madmen and criminals" rant that ignores the fact that mental patients and criminals CANNOT purchase weapons? I don't think that's actually true. I think quite a few mental patients and criminals have purchased weapons via the loopholes that exist in current law and attempts at closing those loopholes have been sometimes stymied by various pro-gun factions in the US. To be fair, the NRA has sometimes supported such legislation, but it seems to have a mixed bag of support in doing so as does the ACLU against it. Hold the phone. What exactly are you calling a "loophole"? Just because a private sale does not legally require a background check, that does not make it legal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon or to someone with a prohibitive mental health history. Just because someone can choose to ignore the law, and sell to someone whose background he hasn't checked out (anyone can pay law enforcement agencies to get such a check done) does not make it LEGAL to sell the gun to such a person if he is a prohibited buyer. The term "loophole" should not be applied the way you are using it. It's meant to be a LEGAL way of maneuvering around the intent of a law. When someone drives 95 mph in a 55 zone, is he using a "loophole" in the law? No, he's simply breaking the law. When someone sells a gun to a person who would have been found to be a prohibited buyer if a not-legally-required background check had been run, is he exploiting a "loophole" in the law? No, he is breaking the law by selling a gun to a prohibited buyer; it's his responsibility to make sure the buyer is eligible.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
