Another Police Video

[AggieDave 6]

I've said more than once in this thread alone that there are bad officers out there, just also stating that as a whole LEOs are working hard to do the right thing the right way every time. By total numbers less than 1/2 of 1% of LEOs out there are bad apples.

So, one last time, how would YOU fix it? Or are you going to dodge again?

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[kallend 2,146]

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I've said more than once in this thread alone that there are bad officers out there, just also stating that as a whole LEOs are working hard to do the right thing the right way every time. By total numbers less than 1/2 of 1% of LEOs out there are bad apples.

So, one last time, how would YOU fix it? Or are you going to dodge again?

I don't think I have the power to fix it. I am an engineering professor, not the Attorney General. I sure can identify that a problem exists, though.

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[AggieDave 6]

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I don't think I have the power to fix it. I am an engineering professor, not the Attorney General. I sure can identify that a problem exists, though.

Dodge and dodge away! Wow, I'm glad you feel strongly enough about something to bash law enforcement as a whole, but you don't feel strong enough about it to even write a letter to your state representatives with your ideas on rectifying the situation.

My what a "patriot" you are.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Darius11 12]

I think Dave the problem is when there have been problems the punishments if any have not fit the crime committed. The cops get a slap on the wrist and it is always the same excuse. Because of the stress of their job they are excused form abuse or murder. That whole club mentality and protecting your own no matter what is right has ruined the reputation or at least made it questionable for me. Having a stressful job that you signed up for does not excuse one for murdering someone.
Now if they would have punished the people who shot a dude over 40 times then yes there is a few bad ones, but when the so called good ones protected the bad ones then they become a conspirator, and in my eye equally guilty.


I don’t know what your feelings are but I believe Police officers should be held to a higher standard not a lower one. If you have ever had an issue with a cop and try to do something about it you realize that the whole system is fucked. The people your spouse to complain too are usually just trying to see you go away and always look at you like you’re lying. The fact is the cops are not always right but they are treated as if they are.

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[AggieDave 6]

I believe that by and large officers are held to a higher standard then the rest of society. I do believe that in the past there have been problems in regards to proper punishments. I also believe that the media has not reported full truths after all the facts have come out in many cases and has created an anti-cop attitude as a whole.

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If you have ever had an issue with a cop and try to do something about it you realize that the whole system is fucked.

If you've ever seen it from the officer's perspective you'll see that invalid complaints against an officer that can not be disproven outside of that officer's word, are typically found against that officer. So that officer, having done nothing wrong except not recording that citizen contact, is now suspended for a few days with out pay or other similar disciplinary actions. All for a citizen complaint that would have been shown to be a false report by that citizen if there had been any other witnesses.

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The fact is the cops are not always right but they are treated as if they are.

Quite the opposite if you get away from the national media's hype.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kallend 2,146]

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I believe that by and large officers are held to a higher standard then the rest of society. I do believe that in the past there have been problems in regards to proper punishments. I also believe that the media has not reported full truths after all the facts have come out in many cases and has created an anti-cop attitude as a whole.

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If you have ever had an issue with a cop and try to do something about it you realize that the whole system is fucked.

If you've ever seen it from the officer's perspective you'll see that invalid complaints against an officer that can not be disproven outside of that officer's word, are typically found against that officer. So that officer, having done nothing wrong except not recording that citizen contact, is now suspended for a few days with out pay or other similar disciplinary actions. All for a citizen complaint that would have been shown to be a false report by that citizen if there had been any other witnesses.

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The fact is the cops are not always right but they are treated as if they are.

Quite the opposite if you get away from the national media's hype.

Everyone who's been to traffic court knows that to be quite untrue. The officer's word is always taken to be true unless overwhelming evidence is presented to show that it isn't.

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[kallend 2,146]

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I don't think I have the power to fix it. I am an engineering professor, not the Attorney General. I sure can identify that a problem exists, though.

Dodge and dodge away! Wow, I'm glad you feel strongly enough about something to bash law enforcement as a whole, but you don't feel strong enough about it to even write a letter to your state representatives with your ideas on rectifying the situation.

My what a "patriot" you are.

Why is it a dodge? If your DVD player goes wrong you know there's a problem, but I bet you take it to someone else to be fixed.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[AggieDave 6]

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Everyone who's been to traffic court knows that to be quite untrue. The officer's word is always taken to be true unless overwhelming evidence is presented to show that it isn't.

You're confusing two completely different things. Something as simple as traffic court and something more complex like internal affairs.

Your law enforcement career must have spanned only two or three days if you don't know these things.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Why is it a dodge? If your DVD player goes wrong you know there's a problem, but I bet you take it to someone else to be fixed.

Its a dodge due to your unwillingness to state what your opinion would be to rectify the overall situation.

When I have problems and believe things should be different, I e-mail my representatives. Even if my personal e-mail doesn't sway the difference, when there are enough of them along the same lines, it typically does make a difference.

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[kallend 2,146]

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Why is it a dodge? If your DVD player goes wrong you know there's a problem, but I bet you take it to someone else to be fixed.

Its a dodge due to your unwillingness to state what your opinion would be to rectify the overall situation.

When I have problems and believe things should be different, I e-mail my representatives. Even if my personal e-mail doesn't sway the difference, when there are enough of them along the same lines, it typically does make a difference.

When I move to NYC I shall be sure to contact my representative about NYPD's abuses.

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[Darius11 12]

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Quite the opposite if you get away from the national media's hype.

I have had personal experience with some fucked up things I have seen cops do. So I am not even thinking of the media but shit I have seen with my own eyes.

I have seen cops pull over my black friends just for being black. I was in the car. This has happened so many times I can’t even give you a number.

I have seen cops pull over a white and a black friend, white guy driving. Then they asked the black passenger to sit on the curb and told the white guy be careful whom you hang out with. The black guy was a college student from out of town. So he was not local criminal they knew but just a black guy to them.

I have had a cop in my face trying to provoke me so he could arrest me, and I handled him as calmly as possible. He was in my face cursing and acting nuts.

I have seen cops do a lot of fucked up things with my own eyes, and they have always gotten away with it.
Being a cop allows you to do things that normal people would go to jail for. Speed, drive drunk, use drugs, and yes sometimes shoot people who were no threat.

I know people who are truly proud to be a cop they are there to protect and serve. They take pride in what it means to be a cop. At the same time I know a lot of people who became cops just for the power trip and the money where I used to live was more then you can imagine.

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[AggieDave 6]

If that is your belief, then why are you so quick to point fingers and point blame to officers as a whole, if you believe it is a NYPD problem.

You are simply unwilling to contribute constructively to society.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kallend 2,146]

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Everyone who's been to traffic court knows that to be quite untrue. The officer's word is always taken to be true unless overwhelming evidence is presented to show that it isn't.

You're confusing two completely different things. Something as simple as traffic court and something more complex like internal affairs.

Your law enforcement career must have spanned only two or three days if you don't know these things.

Longer than yours has been so far. ALL the evidence suggests that in NYC (and in Chicago) the system protects its own unless there is overwhelming evidence againt the officer(s), and even then the punishment is usually a slap on the wrist.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,146]

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If that is your belief, then why are you so quick to point fingers and point blame to officers as a whole, if you believe it is a NYPD problem.

You are simply unwilling to contribute constructively to society.

Strawman and non sequitur in same post. Good going there, Dave.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Fast 0]

I wish that people in law enforcement would just stop being so damn bitter about what they do. You don't have to be a cop. There are lots of other jobs out there. I am not saying this about you Dave, just most of the people I have come across that are cops. So many just get so jaded and bitter its stupid.

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[AggieDave 6]

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ALL the evidence suggests that in NYC (and in Chicago) the system protects its own unless there is overwhelming evidence againt the officer(s), and even then the punishment is usually a slap on the wrist.

If you believe there is a problem and since you admit that you believe there is a problem with your beloved Chicago, then take steps to rectify the situation, instead of simply pointing out blame and then taking cover.

Actually contribute positively for once.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[normiss 892]

Think the problem with police is localized to only a few areas??
That's really not funny.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Something doesn't fit here. I'm not condoning the actions of the cop but the problem with little snippets of video is they don't show the whole story.

I can't help but think the cops were targeting this individual for something else he had done prior to the cameras rolling. There are 20 cyclists he could have done the same thing to but he was gunning for this particular rider.

Then why was he not charged with "something else he had done prior"???

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[jakee 1,594]

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Something doesn't fit here. I'm not condoning the actions of the cop but the problem with little snippets of video is they don't show the whole story.

It's more than enough enough to show that the officer brazenly lied on the criminal complaint against the cyclist about the circumstances of the arrest. That's more than enough to lose him any benefit of the doubt, IMO.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 892]

Well he IS from Hoboken you know.

[avenfoto 0]

you sound like a cop

[airdvr 210]

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Something doesn't fit here. I'm not condoning the actions of the cop but the problem with little snippets of video is they don't show the whole story.

I can't help but think the cops were targeting this individual for something else he had done prior to the cameras rolling. There are 20 cyclists he could have done the same thing to but he was gunning for this particular rider.

Then why was he not charged with "something else he had done prior"???

I get that part and I get that he lied on the report. Still, you have to wonder if they guy did something up the line to provoke the cop. Not saying it's right, but I don't think the video tells the whole story.

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[jcd11235 0]

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Why is it a dodge? If your DVD player goes wrong you know there's a problem, but I bet you take it to someone else to be fixed.

Its a dodge due to your unwillingness to state what your opinion would be to rectify the overall situation.

So, is everything that highlights your flawed logic a dodge? Let me guess; you're a cop.

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