Obama needs a history lesson

[kallend 2,184]

Oh do shut up. YOU are wrong. Your logic is flawed. Saying you're right and Jakee is wrong 1,000 times wont make it so.

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It's simple really. Jakee said Obama is right by saying ''Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition', and explains he is right because a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing.

My point is that English tradition could be viewed as a single 'thing'. Which would therefore make the statement flawed.

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[jcd11235 0]

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It's simple really. Jakee said Obama is right by saying ''Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition', and explains he is right because a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing.

My point is that English tradition could be viewed as a single 'thing'. Which would therefore make the statement flawed.

No, it wouldn't. That appears to be the flaw in your logic.

Example: If I say I was profoundly shaped by my father, without mentioning my mother, that in no way implies that I was not also profoundly shaped by my mother, nor would being profoundly shaped by my mother imply I was incorrect or lying in my claim of being profoundly shaped by my father.

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I'd say such a statement would imply you are more shaped from your father than mother! Why would you make such a statement if it wasn't so?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rushmc 23]

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No, Mr2mk1g missed the main point, which is why I pointed out post 38 and 39 to him.

So, seeing as you quoted post 38, please feel free to explain why my logic in regards to Jakee's original statement isn't valid.

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[jakee 1,611]

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Happy so far?

Happy.

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Back to the point. If he was in actual fact right in what he said as you claim, by using your logic he'd therefore be fucking wrong.

Oh for fucks sake. How can you still not get this?

I do not dispute your claim that the FFs were influenced by the Scots. Whether or not the FFs were influenced by the Scots has nothing, absolutely and completely nothing, to do with whether Obama is right to say that they were influenced by the English. The two are not incompatible. To show that Obama is wrong you need to show that the FFs were not influenced by English tradition, not that they were influenced by Scottish academia, because that has nothing to do with it.

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Therefore he cannot be right as you claim, and that's from using your logic.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,611]

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"Not relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong."

And not once in your replies did you address this point!

Everything I have said to you has been showing you why that statement is meaningless.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,611]

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I find that to be flawed. I replied:

'Crazy is certainly the right word here.
If he's right by saying 'English tradition' rather than 'Scottish Enlightenment', as you claim, surely your claim is in actual fact wrong:

I can't believe you're taking the most obviously flawed statement you've written and are holding it up as the core of your argument. It is not "rather than". No one has suggested it is "rather than". The entire point of this conversation is to get you to see that it is not a case of one "rather than" the other.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,611]

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It's simple really. Jakee said Obama is right by saying ''Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition', and explains he is right because a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing.

My point is that English tradition could be viewed as a single 'thing'. Which would therefore make the statement flawed.

No. That is quite simply not the case.

To say an author was influenced by Orwell is not wrong, even if he was also influenced by Hemingway.

To say a songwriter was influenced by Mozart is not wrong, even if he was also influenced by Hendrix.

To say a car designer was influenced by the mini is not wrong, even if he was also influenced by the cadillac.

To say the FFs were influenced by English tradition is not wrong, even if they were also influenced by Scottish academics.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I'd say such a statement would imply you are more shaped from your father than mother!

It would not imply any such thing.

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Why would you make such a statement if it wasn't so?

One (of many) possible and plausible explanations would be that the statement is made in the context of a conversation about fathers or about my father in particular.

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Er. I get it now....! Blimey, what can I say? That I've been an utter mong? I genuinely thought you were being deliberately belligerent. So I guess I owe you an apology then. 2 really; 1 for being such a fool, and the other for being unnecessarily rude.

Sorry Jakee.

Guess I owe you a few beers now.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[jakee 1,611]

Um, right. Ok. No worries then, I guess.




Wanders off and wonders what to do now>

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