vortexring 0 #1 July 29, 2008 Why? Because if he's to be the next US President, he might want to know his countries history a bit better. He said at 10 Downing Street: 'Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition.' Which isn't quite right. The were profoundly shaped by the Scottish Enlightenment.http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Founding-Secret-Scottish-Enlightenment/dp/0742522806 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #2 July 29, 2008 16 April 1746 ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #3 July 29, 2008 QuoteHe said at 10 Downing Street: 'Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition.' Which isn't quite right. The were profoundly shaped by the Scottish Enlightenment. He is right. Because (and here's a radical concept for you) a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing. Crazy!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #4 July 29, 2008 Crazy is certainly the right word here. If he's right by saying 'English tradition' rather than 'Scottish Enlightenment', as you claim, surely your claim is in actual fact wrong: 'Because (and here's a radical concept for you) a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing.' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #5 July 30, 2008 Quote He is right. Because (and here's a radical concept for you) a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing. Crazy! You think that's what radical is? Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 July 30, 2008 "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #7 July 30, 2008 Quote "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? The queen of Scotland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? The queen of ]Scotland. That'd be this lady, wouldn't it? You know...the same one that rules the REST of the United Kingdom? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #9 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? The queen of ]Scotland. That'd be this lady, wouldn't it? You know...the same one that rules the REST of the United Kingdom? Have a gold star for being so smart. That is why it is called the "United" kingdom. What was your point again, or do you have one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? The queen of ]Scotland. That'd be this lady, wouldn't it? You know...the same one that rules the REST of the United Kingdom? Have a gold star for being so smart. That is why it is called the "United" kingdom. What was your point again, or do you have one? Just a good-natured piss-take on vortexring - do YOU have one, other than making an ass out of yourself over nothing?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #11 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote "Scottish enlightenment" Remind me again... WHOSE face is on your money? The queen of ]Scotland. That'd be this lady, wouldn't it? You know...the same one that rules the REST of the United Kingdom? Not the Queens! Three Scottish commercial banks - Bank of Scotland, Royal Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale Bank issue their own notes to their own designs. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #12 July 30, 2008 Quote Crazy is certainly the right word here. If he's right by saying 'English tradition' rather than 'Scottish Enlightenment', as you claim, surely your claim is in actual fact wrong: 'Because (and here's a radical concept for you) a group of people can be influenced by more than one thing.' Holy shit, do you seriously not get this!?You say that Obama "isn't quite right" and "needs a history lesson" for saying that 'Our founding institutions were profoundly shaped by the English tradition.' Your reasoning for this is that some of the founding Fathers were influenced by the Scottish enlightenment. Now concentrate very hard and I'll hold your hand and walk you through it: That they were influenced by the Scottish enlightenment has no bearing whatsoever on whether they were also influenced by English traditions. Think you can grasp that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #13 July 30, 2008 It's you who isn't getting it, because you're wrong. So piss off and hold hands with another man if that's your thing. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #14 July 30, 2008 QuoteIt's you who isn't getting it, because you're wrong. So piss off and hold hands with another man if that's your thing. Awesome. "Hey, this guy disagrees with me, he must be gay!" What an incisive, analytical mind you must have...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #15 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt's you who isn't getting it, because you're wrong. So piss off and hold hands with another man if that's your thing. QuoteAwesome. "Hey, this guy disagrees with me, he must be gay!" In 'Jakee World' perhaps. QuoteWhat an incisive, analytical mind you must have... You're still wrong, whatever mind you think I have. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #16 July 30, 2008 QuoteYou're still wrong, whatever mind you think I have. Ok, let's try an easy example. If a novelist counts Orwell among his influences, would it be wrong to say he is influenced by Hemingway? A) Yes. B) No. C) Not enough information, he could be influenced by both.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #17 July 30, 2008 A poor example - and you're still wrong. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #18 July 30, 2008 Dude - you are so full of shit! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #19 July 30, 2008 Not relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. You are the Weakest Link, goodbye. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #20 July 30, 2008 QuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #21 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #22 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. (drops book bag and runs towards the playgound) Fight! Fight!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #23 July 30, 2008 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #24 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. No answer? It's a simple question - what makes you discount Obama's claim that the founding fathers were influenced by English tradition? Do you honestly not understand that being influenced by one thing doesn't stop a group of people from being influenced by another thing also?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #25 July 30, 2008 You're still wrong. Hence why it's better if you just shut up. Why? Because I've already answered your recent questions. And you're still wrong. And you're also aware of that fact too. So who's full of shit? Do yourself a favour. Shut up. 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jakee 1,611 #16 July 30, 2008 QuoteYou're still wrong, whatever mind you think I have. Ok, let's try an easy example. If a novelist counts Orwell among his influences, would it be wrong to say he is influenced by Hemingway? A) Yes. B) No. C) Not enough information, he could be influenced by both.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #17 July 30, 2008 A poor example - and you're still wrong. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #18 July 30, 2008 Dude - you are so full of shit! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #19 July 30, 2008 Not relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. You are the Weakest Link, goodbye. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #20 July 30, 2008 QuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #21 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #22 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. (drops book bag and runs towards the playgound) Fight! Fight!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #23 July 30, 2008 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #24 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNot relative to post#1. Whilst your statement about a group of people being influenced by others isn't wrong, by saying he was right makes your statement. . . . wrong. Ok, so what makes you say that the founding fathers were not influenced by English tradition? (Remember, also being influenced by a bunch of pontificating haggis munchers does not preclude this) Jakee. Shut up. No answer? It's a simple question - what makes you discount Obama's claim that the founding fathers were influenced by English tradition? Do you honestly not understand that being influenced by one thing doesn't stop a group of people from being influenced by another thing also?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #25 July 30, 2008 You're still wrong. Hence why it's better if you just shut up. Why? Because I've already answered your recent questions. And you're still wrong. And you're also aware of that fact too. So who's full of shit? Do yourself a favour. Shut up. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
