Squeak 17 #1 July 29, 2008 Huntington's chorea,: This is a genetic disorder which is passed on from generation to generation. It actually results in the gradual degeneration of brain tissue in middle age (can be as early as mid to late 20s) As the disease progresses, any function that requires muscle control is affected, this causes reduced physical stability, abnormal facial expression, impaired speech comprehensibility, and difficulties chewing and swallowing. Eating difficulties commonly cause weight loss. HD has been associated with sleep cycle disturbances, including insomnia and rapid eye movement sleep alterations. Selective cognitive abilities are progressively impaired, including executive function (planning, cognitive flexibility, abstract thinking, rule acquisition, initiating appropriate actions and inhibiting inappropriate actions), psychomotor function (slowing of thought processes to control muscles), perceptual and spatial skills of self and surrounding environment, selection of correct methods of remembering information (but not actual memory itself), short-term memory, and ability to learn new skills, depending on the pathology of the individual It is one of the very few diseases that we can stop TODAY. BUT you have to not procreate if you are a sufferer. Huntington's disease is autosomal dominant, needing only one affected allele from either parent to inherit the disease. Although this generally means there is a one in two chance of inheriting the disorder from an affected par So if you had Huntingtons would you pass it on. Me NOT A CHANCEYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #2 July 29, 2008 Same comments.... undecided on the procreation if I had Huntingtons would not have an abortion. (but... as it is, I know I have a genetic mutation right now and would still be happy if I were pregnant) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #3 July 29, 2008 QuoteSame comments.... undecided on the procreation if I had Huntingtons would not have an abortion. (but... as it is, I know I have a genetic mutation right now and would still be happy if I were pregnant) I would let the dice roll and once the child was old enough, educate him/her on the disease and then he/she can decide to get tested or not. Might be a horrid dump to place on a child, but he/she might have had a REALLY cool 20+ years up to that point. Why deny that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that's the dilemma, Huntington's is an horrendous diseasae, which can last a very long time, with very very poor quality of life. I'm interested in seeing if those who voted to terminate a Trisomy 21 baby will vote the same here. (or interested in the 2 sets of data). Trisomy 21 has a "Different" quality of life. Huntington's is progressive, debilitating and horid. and in from my POV a worse fate than Downs Syndriome.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 July 29, 2008 Arlo Guthrie came out OK. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 July 29, 2008 QuoteArlo Guthrie came out OK. he didnt have it,You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #6 July 29, 2008 No, I would adopt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 July 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteArlo Guthrie came out OK. he didnt have it,That's my point. His Dad (Woody Guthrie) had it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #8 July 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteArlo Guthrie came out OK. he didnt have it,That's my point. His Dad (Woody Guthrie) had it.so what, the question is would YOU, Woody had very little information about HD, and had procreated BEFORE he found out about it. we now live in the 21st century. In my description i note that the incidence is aboutv50% So instead of making pointless comments answer the question or dont post.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 July 30, 2008 I had all sorts of thoughts to write, but for the moment will restrict myself to your particular hypo: No - knowing what I do now about the chances of passing that disease on to a child, I would not procreate if I could help it, and (depending on which one of us was the carrier) I'd probably want to use surgical birth control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #10 July 30, 2008 NO, that sounds awful, and while I feel compassion for those who suffer from it, I cannot imagine them being willing to engender a child who is very likely to suffer the same sort of TORMENT. It sounds like a life lived (and then ended by) such a disease would indeed be TORMENT. Prior to procreating, there is no child to speak of. No child that you could say, "Oh, but he would like to have had a chance to live instead of never being born." There is no lament about the life that didn't get created except on the part of the PARENTS who might (selfishly?) crave to hold a little one of their own. I don't like having to say it, but that really does seem like a selfish self-indulgence, to have a child knowing that you have a 50% chance of making him/her grow up to be stricken thus. A personal desire to be a parent should not triumph over a selfless desire to not make a child of yours grow to suffer such a horrible fate.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #11 July 30, 2008 QuoteNO, that sounds awful, and while I feel compassion for those who suffer from it, I cannot imagine them being willing to engender a child who is very likely to suffer the same sort of TORMENT. It sounds like a life lived (and then ended by) such a disease would indeed be TORMENT. Prior to procreating, there is no child to speak of. No child that you could say, "Oh, but he would like to have had a chance to live instead of never being born." There is no lament about the life that didn't get created except on the part of the PARENTS who might (selfishly?) crave to hold a little one of their own. I don't like having to say it, but that really does seem like a selfish self-indulgence, to have a child knowing that you have a 50% chance of making him/her grow up to be stricken thus. A personal desire to be a parent should not triumph over a selfless desire to not make a child of yours grow to suffer such a horrible fate.And yet it happens everydayYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteNO, that sounds awful, and while I feel compassion for those who suffer from it, I cannot imagine them being willing to engender a child who is very likely to suffer the same sort of TORMENT. It sounds like a life lived (and then ended by) such a disease would indeed be TORMENT. Prior to procreating, there is no child to speak of. No child that you could say, "Oh, but he would like to have had a chance to live instead of never being born." There is no lament about the life that didn't get created except on the part of the PARENTS who might (selfishly?) crave to hold a little one of their own. I don't like having to say it, but that really does seem like a selfish self-indulgence, to have a child knowing that you have a 50% chance of making him/her grow up to be stricken thus. A personal desire to be a parent should not triumph over a selfless desire to not make a child of yours grow to suffer such a horrible fate.And yet it happens everyday True enough. And yet, philosophically, there is a HUGE grey area, isn't there? For example, many types of conditions, or diseases, etc. can be passed genetically, especially if both parents have the condition, or even the trait: deafness, dwarfism, retinitis pigmentosa (leading to blindness by adulthood), sickle-cell anemia, etc. They, too, confront this issue when deciding whether or not to procreate. So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #13 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided?When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD doesYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #14 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD does That can still be argued with. Mind you, HD doesn't plunge the person right into that existence from birth; not hardly. Lou Gehrig lived until age 37. Woody Guthrie lived until age 55. Each had very rich, full, lives prior to roughly their last year of life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #15 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD does That can still be argued with. Mind you, HD doesn't plunge the person right into that existence from birth; not hardly. Lou Gehrig lived until age 37. Woody Guthrie lived until age 55. Each had very rich, full, lives prior to roughly their last year of life. I think you will find their last year lasted a might longer than one yearYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #16 July 30, 2008 Quote .. I think you will find their last it last a might longer than one year What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #17 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #18 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you. Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 July 31, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers.Did you actually read my amended post or just the quote in Christies because your post is made after my amendmentYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #20 July 31, 2008 Having a grandfather, uncle, and cousin who had Huntington's Chorea, and seeing them suffer for YEARS before succumbing to pneumonia, it was my family's decision NOT to procreate. Then a wonderful test was discovered by a doctor who spent years in Venezuela, studying a tribe who had a very high incidence of the disease. She created a series of tests that would determine if you were afflicted or not. My mother went, secretly, to have the test done in Boston. Thankfully she discovered that she didn't. However, she watched as her father declined, suffered for over 40 years, and died. He had been a brilliant physician before he had to close his office doors at 40 because he couldn't function anymore. HD is a HORRID disease. If anybody who has a history of it in their family and wishes to have their own children, PLEASE seek out this test and go through the steps to find out if you have it or not BEFORE you procreate. No family wants to see their children die of such a monstrous disease. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #21 July 31, 2008 Does the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "What kind of 'loving God' would afflict his beloved creations with such abominations?" This may take the thread in a different direction, and maybe that's ok and maybe it's not. If not, then don't, and I won't pursue it. But this subject definitely makes me wonder (further) why people are able to doublethink their way into believing in (much less worshiping) God. For every "miracle" that God supposedly provides (saving the kid trapped in the well, sending the "miracle" kidney donor, allowing the fireman to reach the sleeping toddler, etc.) there are horrendous examples by the MILLIONS of people living in subhuman SQUALOR conditions, MILLIONS DYING OF STARVATION, MALARIA, DIPTHERIA, TUBERCULOSIS, ETC. ETC. ETC. EVERY YEAR. People shitting blood until they die. People choking on their own blood and mucus until they die. This is "what God wants"? What kind of God wants what we would see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 July 31, 2008 QuoteDoes the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe? What there's not enough idiotic pro-con religious crap on here already that you have to try to bring in in here too. There are dozens of threads already dealing with this topic, why not resurrect one of those.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Andy9o8 2 #14 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD does That can still be argued with. Mind you, HD doesn't plunge the person right into that existence from birth; not hardly. Lou Gehrig lived until age 37. Woody Guthrie lived until age 55. Each had very rich, full, lives prior to roughly their last year of life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #15 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD does That can still be argued with. Mind you, HD doesn't plunge the person right into that existence from birth; not hardly. Lou Gehrig lived until age 37. Woody Guthrie lived until age 55. Each had very rich, full, lives prior to roughly their last year of life. I think you will find their last year lasted a might longer than one yearYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #16 July 30, 2008 Quote .. I think you will find their last it last a might longer than one year What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #17 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #18 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you. Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 July 31, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers.Did you actually read my amended post or just the quote in Christies because your post is made after my amendmentYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #20 July 31, 2008 Having a grandfather, uncle, and cousin who had Huntington's Chorea, and seeing them suffer for YEARS before succumbing to pneumonia, it was my family's decision NOT to procreate. Then a wonderful test was discovered by a doctor who spent years in Venezuela, studying a tribe who had a very high incidence of the disease. She created a series of tests that would determine if you were afflicted or not. My mother went, secretly, to have the test done in Boston. Thankfully she discovered that she didn't. However, she watched as her father declined, suffered for over 40 years, and died. He had been a brilliant physician before he had to close his office doors at 40 because he couldn't function anymore. HD is a HORRID disease. If anybody who has a history of it in their family and wishes to have their own children, PLEASE seek out this test and go through the steps to find out if you have it or not BEFORE you procreate. No family wants to see their children die of such a monstrous disease. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #21 July 31, 2008 Does the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "What kind of 'loving God' would afflict his beloved creations with such abominations?" This may take the thread in a different direction, and maybe that's ok and maybe it's not. If not, then don't, and I won't pursue it. But this subject definitely makes me wonder (further) why people are able to doublethink their way into believing in (much less worshiping) God. For every "miracle" that God supposedly provides (saving the kid trapped in the well, sending the "miracle" kidney donor, allowing the fireman to reach the sleeping toddler, etc.) there are horrendous examples by the MILLIONS of people living in subhuman SQUALOR conditions, MILLIONS DYING OF STARVATION, MALARIA, DIPTHERIA, TUBERCULOSIS, ETC. ETC. ETC. EVERY YEAR. People shitting blood until they die. People choking on their own blood and mucus until they die. This is "what God wants"? What kind of God wants what we would see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 July 31, 2008 QuoteDoes the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe? What there's not enough idiotic pro-con religious crap on here already that you have to try to bring in in here too. There are dozens of threads already dealing with this topic, why not resurrect one of those.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Squeak 17 #15 July 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote So I guess one philosophical / ethical question is: when is the condition, disease, etc. so egregious that procreation should, or should not, be avoided? When it sucks the life and soul and mind out of you like HD does That can still be argued with. Mind you, HD doesn't plunge the person right into that existence from birth; not hardly. Lou Gehrig lived until age 37. Woody Guthrie lived until age 55. Each had very rich, full, lives prior to roughly their last year of life. I think you will find their last year lasted a might longer than one yearYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #16 July 30, 2008 Quote .. I think you will find their last it last a might longer than one year What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #17 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #18 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you. Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 July 31, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers.Did you actually read my amended post or just the quote in Christies because your post is made after my amendmentYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #20 July 31, 2008 Having a grandfather, uncle, and cousin who had Huntington's Chorea, and seeing them suffer for YEARS before succumbing to pneumonia, it was my family's decision NOT to procreate. Then a wonderful test was discovered by a doctor who spent years in Venezuela, studying a tribe who had a very high incidence of the disease. She created a series of tests that would determine if you were afflicted or not. My mother went, secretly, to have the test done in Boston. Thankfully she discovered that she didn't. However, she watched as her father declined, suffered for over 40 years, and died. He had been a brilliant physician before he had to close his office doors at 40 because he couldn't function anymore. HD is a HORRID disease. If anybody who has a history of it in their family and wishes to have their own children, PLEASE seek out this test and go through the steps to find out if you have it or not BEFORE you procreate. No family wants to see their children die of such a monstrous disease. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #21 July 31, 2008 Does the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "What kind of 'loving God' would afflict his beloved creations with such abominations?" This may take the thread in a different direction, and maybe that's ok and maybe it's not. If not, then don't, and I won't pursue it. But this subject definitely makes me wonder (further) why people are able to doublethink their way into believing in (much less worshiping) God. For every "miracle" that God supposedly provides (saving the kid trapped in the well, sending the "miracle" kidney donor, allowing the fireman to reach the sleeping toddler, etc.) there are horrendous examples by the MILLIONS of people living in subhuman SQUALOR conditions, MILLIONS DYING OF STARVATION, MALARIA, DIPTHERIA, TUBERCULOSIS, ETC. ETC. ETC. EVERY YEAR. People shitting blood until they die. People choking on their own blood and mucus until they die. This is "what God wants"? What kind of God wants what we would see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 July 31, 2008 QuoteDoes the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe? What there's not enough idiotic pro-con religious crap on here already that you have to try to bring in in here too. There are dozens of threads already dealing with this topic, why not resurrect one of those.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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christelsabine 1 #16 July 30, 2008 Quote .. I think you will find their last it last a might longer than one year What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #17 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #18 July 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote What?? Is there a translation for aliens available? This might help you. Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 July 31, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Erm... did you actually read your post cos it's gibberish even for native english speakers.Did you actually read my amended post or just the quote in Christies because your post is made after my amendmentYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #20 July 31, 2008 Having a grandfather, uncle, and cousin who had Huntington's Chorea, and seeing them suffer for YEARS before succumbing to pneumonia, it was my family's decision NOT to procreate. Then a wonderful test was discovered by a doctor who spent years in Venezuela, studying a tribe who had a very high incidence of the disease. She created a series of tests that would determine if you were afflicted or not. My mother went, secretly, to have the test done in Boston. Thankfully she discovered that she didn't. However, she watched as her father declined, suffered for over 40 years, and died. He had been a brilliant physician before he had to close his office doors at 40 because he couldn't function anymore. HD is a HORRID disease. If anybody who has a history of it in their family and wishes to have their own children, PLEASE seek out this test and go through the steps to find out if you have it or not BEFORE you procreate. No family wants to see their children die of such a monstrous disease. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #21 July 31, 2008 Does the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "What kind of 'loving God' would afflict his beloved creations with such abominations?" This may take the thread in a different direction, and maybe that's ok and maybe it's not. If not, then don't, and I won't pursue it. But this subject definitely makes me wonder (further) why people are able to doublethink their way into believing in (much less worshiping) God. For every "miracle" that God supposedly provides (saving the kid trapped in the well, sending the "miracle" kidney donor, allowing the fireman to reach the sleeping toddler, etc.) there are horrendous examples by the MILLIONS of people living in subhuman SQUALOR conditions, MILLIONS DYING OF STARVATION, MALARIA, DIPTHERIA, TUBERCULOSIS, ETC. ETC. ETC. EVERY YEAR. People shitting blood until they die. People choking on their own blood and mucus until they die. This is "what God wants"? What kind of God wants what we would see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 July 31, 2008 QuoteDoes the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe? What there's not enough idiotic pro-con religious crap on here already that you have to try to bring in in here too. There are dozens of threads already dealing with this topic, why not resurrect one of those.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
ltdiver 3 #20 July 31, 2008 Having a grandfather, uncle, and cousin who had Huntington's Chorea, and seeing them suffer for YEARS before succumbing to pneumonia, it was my family's decision NOT to procreate. Then a wonderful test was discovered by a doctor who spent years in Venezuela, studying a tribe who had a very high incidence of the disease. She created a series of tests that would determine if you were afflicted or not. My mother went, secretly, to have the test done in Boston. Thankfully she discovered that she didn't. However, she watched as her father declined, suffered for over 40 years, and died. He had been a brilliant physician before he had to close his office doors at 40 because he couldn't function anymore. HD is a HORRID disease. If anybody who has a history of it in their family and wishes to have their own children, PLEASE seek out this test and go through the steps to find out if you have it or not BEFORE you procreate. No family wants to see their children die of such a monstrous disease. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #21 July 31, 2008 Does the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "What kind of 'loving God' would afflict his beloved creations with such abominations?" This may take the thread in a different direction, and maybe that's ok and maybe it's not. If not, then don't, and I won't pursue it. But this subject definitely makes me wonder (further) why people are able to doublethink their way into believing in (much less worshiping) God. For every "miracle" that God supposedly provides (saving the kid trapped in the well, sending the "miracle" kidney donor, allowing the fireman to reach the sleeping toddler, etc.) there are horrendous examples by the MILLIONS of people living in subhuman SQUALOR conditions, MILLIONS DYING OF STARVATION, MALARIA, DIPTHERIA, TUBERCULOSIS, ETC. ETC. ETC. EVERY YEAR. People shitting blood until they die. People choking on their own blood and mucus until they die. This is "what God wants"? What kind of God wants what we would see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 July 31, 2008 QuoteDoes the existence of such a "monstrous disease" not cause at least a few "believers" to have pause when wondering, "see if we opened our eyes to just how widespread human suffering is across the globe? What there's not enough idiotic pro-con religious crap on here already that you have to try to bring in in here too. There are dozens of threads already dealing with this topic, why not resurrect one of those.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
