mnealtx 0 #76 July 31, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. Like DC crime being different because they don't have a Senator, perhaps? Only you have claimed that. And you have tried to claim that DC is a state. He did not, no matter how many times you claim it. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3045634#3045634 Yes, I mis-spoke in that post. The fact remains that DOJ/FBI consider DC to be the equivalent of a state for crime reporting purposes. The US Post Office evidently considers it the equivalent of a state for mail delivery purposes, for that matter. Now, care to discuss your claim here? Quote You can simply disprove my assertion by finding another large US metropolitan area with gun control that (a) has a gun shop within 2 miles of its downtown, (b) has more lawyers and politicians per square mile, (c) has no Senator. All you have to do is find one. Should be pretty easy for you. I even bolded the pertinent parts of your claim - one that you STILL can't show provides ANY effect on crime rates.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #77 July 31, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. Like DC crime being different because they don't have a Senator, perhaps? Only you have claimed that. And you have tried to claim that DC is a state. He did not, no matter how many times you claim it. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3045634#3045634 Yes, I mis-spoke in that post. Took an awful long time for you to admit it. Quote Now, care to discuss your claim here? Quote You can simply disprove my assertion by finding another large US metropolitan area with gun control that (a) has a gun shop within 2 miles of its downtown, (b) has more lawyers and politicians per square mile, (c) has no Senator. All you have to do is find one. Should be pretty easy for you. I even bolded the pertinent parts of your claim - one that you STILL can't show provides ANY effect on crime rates. I see that you not very cleverly omitted the claim ("my assertion"), since it didn't actually claim anything specific about crime rates, although over and over again you parrot that it did. My very clearly stated claim (see link below) was that DC is an anomaly and cannot be used to reach generally valid conclusions. And it is, for the reasons I stated very clearly. Here is my assertion, just as I stated above.And it's re-stated here and here Now, it's not MY fault if you don't read what is clearly written.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 July 31, 2008 Your assertion was (as your quote shows) that crime rates in DC were somehow different than anywhere else due to the number of lawyers and politicians living in the city, and the fact that the city has no senatorial representation. For your a), there's plenty of cities with gunshops located in/near downtown WITHOUT the astronomical crime rate of DC, so that one is disproved. You still have yet to prove that your points b) or c) have ANY effect on crime - or do you admit they were red herrings?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #79 July 31, 2008 QuoteYour assertion was (as your quote shows) that crime rates in DC were somehow different than anywhere else due to the number of lawyers and politicians living in the city, and the fact that the city has no senatorial representation. SIMPLY NOT TRUE. You cannot point to any post in which I wrote any such thing about the cause of DC's high crime rate. I claimed that DC is an anomaly for a variety of stated reasons and can't be used in comparison with Kennesaw, GA to draw a valid conclusion about gun laws in the absence of corrections for confounding effects. The links I provided make this absolutely clear to anyone who reads before hitting "post". You made a strawman out of this and continue to beat it. If you don't understand what "strawman" and "anomaly" mean, look them up in a dictionary.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 July 31, 2008 QuoteQuoteYour assertion was (as your quote shows) that crime rates in DC were somehow different than anywhere else due to the number of lawyers and politicians living in the city, and the fact that the city has no senatorial representation. SIMPLY NOT TRUE. You cannot point to any post in which I wrote any such thing about the cause of DC's high crime rate. I claimed that DC is an anomaly for a variety of stated reasons and can't be used in comparison with Kennesaw, GA to draw a valid conclusion about gun laws in the absence of corrections for confounding effects. The links I provided make this absolutely clear to anyone who reads before hitting "post". You made a strawman out of this and continue to beat it. If you don't understand what "strawman" and "anomaly" mean, look them up in a dictionary. Speaking of strawmen, why don't you explain this?: QuoteI've just demonstrated that DC is an anomaly. No other large metropolitan district with gun control has gun shops less than 2 miles from its downtown. It is also an anomaly in that it has more lawyers and politicians per square mile than anywhere else on Earth. It is also an anomaly in it's (absence of) repreentation. DC is simply an outlier in so many ways. Please, professor, DO tell us how those purported "anomalies" (minus the gunshop one, that's already debunked) has ANYTHING to do with crime in DC. You made the statement, YOU support it. I look forward to your explanation of how the number of politicians/lawyers affects crime. I especially look forward to the explanation of how senatorial representation makes DC different from ANY other city, since cities don't HAVE senators.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #81 August 1, 2008 So you CAN'T find any post where I claimed crime in DC was due to its plethora of lawyers, senators, etc. . Piss poor attempt to change tack, tooJust as I wrote, you have been beating this strawman of yours for months now. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 August 1, 2008 Quote So you CAN'T find any post where I claimed crime in DC was due to its plethora of lawyers, senators, etc. . Piss poor attempt to change tack, too You mean this post? The one that I quoted directly above? The one that said this? Quote No other large metropolitan district with gun control has gun shops less than 2 miles from its downtown. It is also an anomaly in that it has more lawyers and politicians per square mile than anywhere else on Earth. It is also an anomaly in it's (absence of) repreentation. DC is simply an outlier in so many ways. Now, AFTER you spouted the bullshit quoted (several times) above, I challenged you to provide proof that the majority of the crime guns were coming from these gunstores. I also challenged you to show how the presence or prevalence of lawyers, politicians and senators had ANY effect on crime, whether in Washington City or not. If it's not germane to the argument about the crime, WHY did you include it, professor? Red herring, or failed strawman? You, of course, had no reply....other than your usual bullshit and deflections, of course. Quote Just as I wrote, you have been beating this strawman of yours for months now. There's a strawman being beat, but it's not mine - unless you're now going to explain how the presence of politicians, lawyers and senators have an effect on crime (and presumably ONLY in Washington city). I await your reply - although I already know what it will be....more bullshit and deflections.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #83 August 1, 2008 Totally lame. You cannot provide a link to any post where I blamed DC's crime on lack of senator as you claimed in post #66 of this thread. You can't provide a link to such a statement because I haven't made one. Just because you made an INCORRECT inference from my post does not make me responsible for your error. The quote you just provided doesn't even mention crime. It simply states that DC is an outlier or anomaly which can't be used for the purpose you and Gawain were using it (comparison with Kennesaw). And it is an anomaly. The only appearance of the word "crime" in the entire post you linked is in a quote from YOU (which you conveniently snipped). Finally, please look up "strawman" in a dictionary, and then you might stop misusing the word. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 August 1, 2008 IOW - "I tried to make some bullshit claims in order to invalidate data and got called on it, so now I have to find ANOTHER reason to not answer questions about my bullshit claims." Message received, loud and clear. Maybe you should avoid the 2nd Amendment threads in the future, professor - your track record isn't very good.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #85 August 1, 2008 Quote IOW - "I tried to make some bullshit claims in order to invalidate data and got called on it, so now I have to find ANOTHER reason to not answer questions about my bullshit claims." Message received, loud and clear. Maybe you should avoid the 2nd Amendment threads in the future, professor - your track record isn't very good. Translation - mnealtx can't find a link to any post to prove the statement he made in post #66, but can't bring himself to admit his error. At least you finally admitted you were wrong about DC being a state. Maybe one day you'll admit that Bush is the worst president in living memory.Edited to add for your benefit: Description of Straw Man The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). Person B attacks position Y. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 August 1, 2008 Quote Translation - mnealtx can't find a link to any post to prove the statement he made in post #66, but can't bring himself to admit his error. Translation - the prof STILL cant prove that the number of politicians and lawyers living in a city has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. He also can't prove that senatorial representation (which NO city has, including Washington city) has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. Quote At least you finally admitted you were wrong about DC being a state. Yeah, I only spent 20 or so posts clarifying that DC is considered a state for the purposes of the government after that ... or does DC stand for "Da City"? Quote Maybe one day you'll admit that Bush is the worst president in living memory. Why should I need to do that - you and Jeanne and jenfly trumpet it loud enough to make up for a few MILLION that don't say it. Bush II would be at the top of my list...but he probably wouldn't be alone. I'll let you guess who his co-placement would be.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #87 August 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteTranslation - mnealtx can't find a link to any post to prove the statement he made in post #66, but can't bring himself to admit his error. Translation - the prof STILL cant prove that the number of politicians and lawyers living in a city has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. He also can't prove that senatorial representation (which NO city has, including Washington city) has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. For the umpteenth time, please provide a link to the post where I claimed any such thing. So far all you've done is provide a link to my claim that DC is atypical for several reasons (which it is). Your continued attempts to misrepresent what I wrote when it's all archived for anyone to read are just pathetic.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #88 August 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteTranslation - mnealtx can't find a link to any post to prove the statement he made in post #66, but can't bring himself to admit his error. Translation - the prof STILL cant prove that the number of politicians and lawyers living in a city has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. He also can't prove that senatorial representation (which NO city has, including Washington city) has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. For the umpteenth time, please provide a link to the post where I claimed any such thing. So far all you've done is provide a link to my claim that DC is atypical for several reasons (which it is). Your continued attempts to misrepresent what I wrote when it's all archived for anyone to read are just pathetic. Three posts down from your original, I challenged you to show how your claims would have ANY affect on crime. You did not, and have not done anything but blow smoke and quibble over minor points to deflect the issue. For the umpteenth time, professor - do you have PROOF that it has ANY effect on crime, or were you trying to run your normal line of bullshit?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #89 August 1, 2008 QuoteBush II would be at the top of my list...but he probably wouldn't be alone. I'll let you guess who his co-placement would be. I would guess that you would be motivated by an irrational hatred of the most fiscally responsible president since Truman and Eisenhower, and place Clinton there with him.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #90 August 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTranslation - mnealtx can't find a link to any post to prove the statement he made in post #66, but can't bring himself to admit his error. Translation - the prof STILL cant prove that the number of politicians and lawyers living in a city has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. He also can't prove that senatorial representation (which NO city has, including Washington city) has sweet fuck-all to do with the crime rate. For the umpteenth time, please provide a link to the post where I claimed any such thing. So far all you've done is provide a link to my claim that DC is atypical for several reasons (which it is). Your continued attempts to misrepresent what I wrote when it's all archived for anyone to read are just pathetic. Three posts down from your original, I challenged you to show how your claims would have ANY affect on crime. You did not, and have not done anything but blow smoke and quibble over minor points to deflect the issue. For the umpteenth time, professor - do you have PROOF that it has ANY effect on crime, or were you trying to run your normal line of bullshit? What has that to do with your false statement in post #66 of this thread, for which you have NOT been able to provide any supporting link. I provided information supporting my claim that DC is atypical. All the rest, including your "challenge", came from your incorrect inferences, not from me. Now, provide some proof of your claim in post #66 or shut up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #91 August 1, 2008 YOU are the one saying DC is somehow different than any other city in regards to crime. I've already quoted your claims enough in that regard - put up or shut up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #92 August 1, 2008 Yes, gov't IOUs ARE debt...as I said... Keep dreaming. Maybe all the IOU's will go away...maybe they will never be redeemed...what a nice dream... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #93 August 1, 2008 QuoteYes, gov't IOUs ARE debt...as I said... Good, now you're making progress. Keep it up and you might understand basic accounting before long. The debt during 1999 and 2000 increased by less than the year end increases of funding in federal accounts. Short of faulty accounting (e.g. Enron), the only way for that to happen is for there to be more revenue than expenditures. In 1999 and 2000, this was true both on and off budget. Understand yet, or is the pace still too fast? QuoteKeep dreaming. Now Vinny, I'm not the one that has shown a clear lack of understanding of accounting. I've only made claims that can be substantiated by government sources. QuoteMaybe all the IOU's will go away...maybe they will never be redeemed...what a nice dream... Yeah, well, keep dreaming, Vinny.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #94 August 1, 2008 QuoteYOU are the one saying DC is somehow different than any other city in regards to crime. Instead of blustering on, please provide a link to the post where I made the claim you stated in post #66 of this thread. Quote I've already quoted your claims enough in that regard - put up or shut up. Nope - you most certainly have not. All you've done so far is provide links to my CORRECT statements that DC is not a typical American city. I did not even use the word "crime" in any of the posts you cited. Anomaly != crime. Atypical != crime. Let me help you with a short summary: Kallend: "Washington DC is not a typical American city because of X, Y, and Z and can't legitimately be compared with Kennesaw, GA" mnealtx (hitting "post" without actually reading what he's replying to): "Kallend said X, Y and Z cause high crime in Washington DC." Trying to attribute your words to me is intellectually dishonest.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #95 August 1, 2008 IOUs are debt and I've never insinuated otherwise. Keep working on your reading comprehension. I'e accounting down pretty well. The >Keep dreaming! Those IOUs might never come due...they really might...Baby Boomers might never REALLY start to draw SS...and the unfunded Medicare costs might never really materialize...and MORE entitlement programs might just save the day! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,125 #96 August 1, 2008 Quote I'e accounting down pretty well. The > Since you're so well informed, please tell us why the deficit (and debt) suddenly surged when Bush took over from Clinton, with the GOP still in charge of both parts of Congress.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #97 August 1, 2008 QuoteIOUs are debt and I've never insinuated otherwise. Keep working on your reading comprehension. No, you did not imply that IOU's were not debt. You claimed those the money obtained for those IOU's were used to fund on budget spending, which is simply not true for the years in question. QuoteI'e accounting down pretty well. Not if this thread is any indication of your level of understanding GAAP. QuoteKeep dreaming! Those IOUs might never come due...they really might...Baby Boomers might never REALLY start to draw SS...and the unfunded Medicare costs might never really materialize...and MORE entitlement programs might just save the day! Love your new straw man, Vinny. Of course the IOU's are going to come due. And sometime in 2017, there won't be enough cash coming into the system to allow reinvestment of all the trust fund earnings. That will cause problems for any President and Congress unable to balance the budget and retain enough revenue to pay down the debt as those investments mature and are redeemed for cash to be used to pay benefits.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #98 August 1, 2008 QuoteA record federal deficit $490,000,000,000 Congratulations to the administration, the people are proud of your achievement. 176 days and counting. LOL...If you like to set recrods VOTE McCain!!!! Im Mikal Krishman and I approve this message7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #99 August 4, 2008 Maybe when the IOU's come due, you can go dance a jig in D.C. and yell Clinton had a surplus at the top of your lungs. That will certainly make the IOU's coming due far less painful. Explain to everyone who hears you how even though there was a surplus, these bonds were issued by the gov't to the gov't (just as in other administrations) and well, the increased amount due at the time of issue wasn't known, but back then it was figured that future taxpayers wouldn't mind when it came time to for the gov't to redeem the value of the bond from itself to pay itself. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #100 August 4, 2008 Quote Maybe when the IOU's come due, you can go dance a jig in D.C. and yell Clinton had a surplus at the top of your lungs. That will certainly make the IOU's coming due far less painful. Explain to everyone who hears you how even though there was a surplus, these bonds were issued by the gov't to the gov't (just as in other administrations) and well, the increased amount due at the time of issue wasn't known, but back then it was figured that future taxpayers wouldn't mind when it came time to for the gov't to redeem the value of the bond from itself to pay itself. Perhaps you missed the part in your own source about how the government was legally obligated to issue those IOU's. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
