California Bans Trans Fat in Restaurants and Bakeries

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Transfats are used because they are CHEAP to make. Take cheap vegetable oil, mix with hydrogen and you have transfat. Cheaper than butter. Not BETTER, just cheaper. THAT is why they're used.

Only partially true.

Well, it's certainly why they were invented in the first place about 100 years ago.

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Transfats are used because they are CHEAP to make. Take cheap vegetable oil, mix with hydrogen and you have transfat. Cheaper than butter. Not BETTER, just cheaper. THAT is why they're used.

Only partially true.

baked goods are BETTER. Donuts in particular, though Berkeley's King Pin donuts claim they've figured out how to do without transfats after a couple YEARS of experimentation.

Why is this bill in? Aside from NYC envy, we're nearly a month past the "deadline" for this year's budget and the state is still over 10B in the red. It's do nothing, feel good, bullshit legislation, going along with the ban on horsemeat and the eventual ban on foia gras.

As most, you need disclosure that 'evil' food ingredients are being used.

It'a an Arnold feelgood thing. Just like the lies about Ca. being a green state.

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It's ok - I already have a certificate of sanity. Learn about trans fats and then perhaps your opinion may well change.

In regards to freedom, I'm all for it. By banning trans fats, the only people losing out are shitty unhealthy food producers. And only slightly.

You and me, we eat our shitty unhealthy foods as we like. They'll still taste the same, and we'll be fuckin' healthier for it!



edit: Duh!

Why would you think that just because I learn about fatty foods, I'd change my mind about wanting the government to save me from myself?

I know that one of the best things that you can do is never eat stuff that says "partially hydrogenated" anything. It's up to me to know what's good, what's bad, and choose predominantly the good. I neither need nor want a government bureaucracy doing it for me.

Why do we have to have these things removed from availability? I am no more likely to go and make a steady diet of crap food just because it's around than I am to try to drink bleach just because it's around. And if others are stupid enough to, why is it my right or anyone else's to say they can't?

By the way, you remind me of a quote from Principal Skinner: "The potty talk adds nothing." You sure are fond of your profanity, aren't you.

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Transfats are used because they are CHEAP to make. Take cheap vegetable oil, mix with hydrogen and you have transfat. Cheaper than butter. Not BETTER, just cheaper. THAT is why they're used.

Only partially true.

baked goods are BETTER. Donuts in particular, though Berkeley's King Pin donuts claim they've figured out how to do without transfats after a couple YEARS of experimentation.

I am reminded of the Seinfeld episode in which Jerry's friend sells "fat-free" yogurt that turns out not to be fat-free: and that's why it tasted so good!

When they get it tested, the shop goes out of business!

Who knows if this donut place you mentioned might not have the same kind of thing going on?

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well, Kingpin was speaking out in favor of the ban before it happened, so I'm guessing they see a competitive advantage, or may even have the crazy notion that they're now serving health food.

Giving them the full benefit of the doubt, they believe donuts can and should be made without transfats, but don't want to compete against those who still use the cheaper stuff.

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well, Kingpin was speaking out in favor of the ban before it happened, so I'm guessing they see a competitive advantage, or may even have the crazy notion that they're now serving health food.

Giving them the full benefit of the doubt, they believe donuts can and should be made without transfats, but don't want to compete against those who still use the cheaper stuff.

If they advocate for the ban, and it gets passed, won't that mean that the others will start making donuts with substitutes similar to Kingpin's, and then they won't have an "edge" over the "unhealthy" competition with their "healthy" donuts? I don't get it. I'd think that they'd want the other companies to use those "evil trans-fats."

I have a question: Why won't these legislatures go after companies like Nabisco and such, and all those companies that make crackers and Pop-tarts LOADED with hydrogenated oils?

And who are these abject fuckin' liars, these demagogues and scoundrels and meddlers, who are acting as though this is going to make populations healthier, when SO many unhealthy foods will not be affected (consumer goods that people buy and take home to eat). Is it their belief that no one gets fat in any way other than by eating the stuff they get in restaurants? If McDonald's food is making people fat, is it because it contains trans-fats, or because the people eating it get ZERO EXERCISE, eat two Big Macs and a super-sized fries four to six times a week, and sit in front of the t.v. with a box of Cheez-Its every night for six hours, then go out and smoke a pack and a half a day?

In the immortal words of Gob Bluth: COME ON!!

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Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

Did too, and probably since before you were born. 5 years of Latin in school occasionally comes in useful.

Did YOU know that Gaul was not only divided into three parts, but that it had trans-Alpine and cis-Alpine bits too?

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You sure are fond of your profanity, aren't you.

That's a fuckin' lie! Besides, your writing isn't exactly swear word free itself is it, or are you picking up on my bad habits?

Going back to the subject, and as I mentioned earlier, . in fact fuck it, I'll quote Andy8o9 instead:


"I want them to go back to using cocaine in Coca Cola, and formaldehyde in marascino cherries. Because, dammit, they just plain taste better that way. And it's all about personal choice. And that's it.

(Fucken Lefties. Grrrr...)"


Further to that, I appreciate people reacting in such a way as yourself. My argument isn't based on happily going ahead with whatever the government says. It's based on what I've already said a couple of times previously. Go back and read this, and you'll see.

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I'll quote Andy8o9

It's Andy9o8, you rat bastard.

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Sorry!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

Did too, and probably since before you were born. 5 years of Latin in school occasionally comes in useful.

Did YOU know that Gaul was not only divided into three parts, but that it had trans-Alpine and cis-Alpine bits too?

I just take great pleasure in reminding the French, who revere the purity of their language with a fervor that is, well, Gallic, that the origin of the word "France" is actually not French - it's Germanic. Oh, they love that!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_France

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Shouldn't a person be informed enough to know what is or is not healthy to eat and make good choices w/o the fuckin govt. deciding it for them? Oh. I forgot. The USA govt. K-12 education system just wants to make more sheep to help them take over the world rather than fucking educate them.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.

Good thing i dont live in liberal Cali!!!

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There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people,

The standard should be we have our own choice, except when we are trying to kill children

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especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Actualy i think that is your party that preaches personal choice Untill there liberal asses should be. Like on this case.

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You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Shouldn't a person be informed enough to know what is or is not healthy to eat and make good choices w/o the fuckin govt. deciding it for them? Oh. I forgot. The USA govt. K-12 education system just wants to make more sheep to help them take over the world rather than fucking educate them.

Actually the liberal proffesors are the ones that indoctornate rather than teach

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Shouldn't a person be informed enough to know what is or is not healthy to eat and make good choices w/o the fuckin govt. deciding it for them? Oh. I forgot. The USA govt. K-12 education system just wants to make more sheep to help them take over the world rather than fucking educate them.

So I should be intimately knowledgeable about the pros and cons of every food additive and product on the market, give me a fucking break, that is one of the dumbest reasons for not banning there is.
I expect the government to protect us from greedy folks who would make a quick buck and sacrifice our health, the government is there to serve us, making sure we don't get served dangerous food is one of these ways.

Regulation of the medical, food, chemical and many other industries prevent us from having to live in a sealed greenhouse in order to live in a relatively safe environment. Look at the pollution and public health problems in china if you want to see what happens when capitalism gets out of control without regulation.

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Shouldn't a person be informed enough to know what is or is not healthy to eat and make good choices w/o the fuckin govt. deciding it for them? Oh. I forgot. The USA govt. K-12 education system just wants to make more sheep to help them take over the world rather than fucking educate them.

So I should be intimately knowledgeable about the pros and cons of every food additive and product on the market, give me a fucking break, that is one of the dumbest reasons for not banning there is.
I expect the government to protect us from greedy folks who would make a quick buck and sacrifice our health, the government is there to serve us, making sure we don't get served dangerous food is one of these ways.

Regulation of the medical, food, chemical and many other industries prevent us from having to live in a sealed greenhouse in order to live in a relatively safe environment. Look at the pollution and public health problems in china if you want to see what happens when capitalism gets out of control without regulation.

If you can't figure out what is healthy and what is not I feel sorry for you. And you have the internet at your fingertips. How old are you? You must be looking for a govt. job too.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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who is "Trans Fat"? and why is he banned?

Is he an overweight cross-dressing jazz pianist??

Trans Fats Waller?

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Just another thought, here... what happened to all that "my body, my choice" thing that Cali is so famous for?

Compare/contrast to abortion - can you imagine the outcry?

if you want to pour shit into your body that is fine you can go an look for it, however CA did good with this one.
There should be standards when it comes to food, many customers don't know or appreciate that the food they buy contains and a lot food does not carry a detailed list of ingredients. Many chemicals are banned from food because of the dangers they present to us humans, this is just another one, the only reason that it is even in the news is because it will cost money and when it comes to money it always wins over health risks in some people, especially with a republican government.
You have been fooled into believing the spin about personal choice.

Shouldn't a person be informed enough to know what is or is not healthy to eat and make good choices w/o the fuckin govt. deciding it for them? Oh. I forgot. The USA govt. K-12 education system just wants to make more sheep to help them take over the world rather than fucking educate them.

So I should be intimately knowledgeable about the pros and cons of every food additive and product on the market, give me a fucking break, that is one of the dumbest reasons for not banning there is.
I expect the government to protect us from greedy folks who would make a quick buck and sacrifice our health, the government is there to serve us, making sure we don't get served dangerous food is one of these ways.

Regulation of the medical, food, chemical and many other industries prevent us from having to live in a sealed greenhouse in order to live in a relatively safe environment. Look at the pollution and public health problems in china if you want to see what happens when capitalism gets out of control without regulation.

If you can't figure out what is healthy and what is not I feel sorry for you. And you have the internet at your fingertips. How old are you? You must be looking for a govt. job too.

I really take the internet everywhere I go, I only go to restaurants that have wifi access, I make the chef show me the brand names of the ingredients that he used to make the food and research them before I order. Get real, acting as private investigator on the sources of all the food we eat is impossible if you want to eat out and hard to do if you by it from a store.
And the food companies don't really want to put all the info on the packet, they don't even have to label whether food is genetically modified or not, they only do what they are legally required to do, they are not nice people they are companies trying to make money, remember the tobacco companies used to say smoking was safe.

I don't want to eat trans fat I don't want my children to eat trans fat, I am glad I wont have to spend time making sure they don't, at least in california and new york city.

Again look at china to see what happens when government does not regulate properly and lets greed take over.

If you don't like it live in another state, there are plenty of them.

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If you don't like it live in another state, there are plenty of them.

So people have the freedom to leave, but not to eat trans fats unless they cook it themselves?

I'm sure you think that is logical somehow. Whenever you think a freedom should be taken away from Californians (and you've voiced a few of them), they can always leave.

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" I only go to restaurants that have wifi access, I make the chef show me the brand names of the ingredients that he used to make the food and research them before I order.".................> I'll bet the chefs love you. Prolly more like wanna strangle you. Why don't you just learn to cook healthy AND STAY HOME.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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So I should be intimately knowledgeable about the pros and cons of every food additive and product on the market, give me a fucking break, that is one of the dumbest reasons for not banning there is.

You're being disingenous about it. It doesn't take being "intimately knowledgeable about the pros and cons of every food additive and product on the market" to know that eating too much fatty "junk food" is not good for you.

And it certainly does take esoteric knowledge to be able to look in a motherfuckin' MIRROR and say, "HOLY SHIT, I've fuckin' gotten FAT! I'd better get to a doctor or nutritionist for information about food choices and exercise programs that can help me drop this unhealthy weight!"

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I expect the government to protect us from greedy folks who would make a quick buck and sacrifice our health, the government is there to serve us, making sure we don't get served dangerous food is one of these ways.

Many of us feel that the government serves us when it protects us when needed, but otherwise leaves us the fuck alone to live our lives and make our own choices. If I want fatty, tasty Krispy Kremes, I should have that right.

And it doesn't take a protective nanny-state to know how to put limits on our indulgence so that we aren't eating Big Macs five days a week and then fuckin' whining that "McDonald's made me get fat!"

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But what about heart disease? Can you look in a mirror and see your arteries?

It isn't simply about trans fats turning you into fat bastard. It's more about heart disease. How many people die prematurely from heart disease? How many of these people were fully aware of all the items they were eating that contained trans fats?

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Well, now that the labels give the trans fat content explicitly; now that even fast food joints make the nutritional content of their food available just for the asking, why shouldn't these decisions now be up to the consumer? You mean to tell me that now that we have all the transparency, all the information provided, they have to take the fat totally out of the products?

It's amazing, and galling, that you wish to put no responsibility on the consumer, and all of it on a government that will take products away from everyone just so that the irresponsible people can't hurt themselves with them -- and fuck those of us who know how to eat in moderation, who have self control, who educate ourselves about our choices. We are not left with the choices that people should have when they are capable of making good ones. We are to be treated by the lowest common denominator.

That's a fucked-up plan, dreamt up by modern autocrats who want to tell us all how we must live and leave us no freedom to choose for ourselves.

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