California Bans Trans Fat in Restaurants and Bakeries

[lawrocket 3]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_he_me/california_trans_fats;_ylt=Ah7i2JWc.thahNzyD_4Iveus0NUE

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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation that will ban restaurants and other retail food establishments from using oil, margarine and shortening containing trans fats...

"Today we are taking a strong step toward creating a healthier future for California," he said...

The legislation signed by Schwarzenegger will take effect Jan. 1, 2010, for oil, shortening and margarine used in spreads or for frying. Restaurants could continue using trans fats to deep-fry yeast dough and in cake batter until Jan. 1, 2011....

Let's say I don't want butter on my bagel. I'd rather have margarine. Too bad. It's bad for me.

Let's say I want a delightful crispiness to my pommes frites. Nope. Shortening is banned.

Or maybe I just really like those vegan refried beans at Pedro's. Nope. shortening has been banned.

You know, I, for one, occasionally like trans fats. They taste good. But perhaps it will be unhealthy. "

I recall the movie Demolition MAn. Salt, cholesterol, patty foos, spicy foods, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc., were banned because they were unhealthy.

And we are actually SEEING it. Denis Leary's character rants:

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You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Surely you'll still be able to enjoy all these items; they'll just no longer contain the trans fats.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[akarunway 1]

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Surely you'll still be able to enjoy all these items; they'll just no longer contain the trans fats.

Well now we know you don't know much about cooking.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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I do cook a fair bit believe it or not. What do you reckon my children eat when my wife is at work in the evenings? I cook nice healthy meals for my kids; they love helping too - such as grating the fresh Parmigiano Reggiano for the wonderful pasta dish I'm preparing, or cutting up the parsley leaves fresh from my kitchen window sill. (It's also a brilliant way to get your children to eat if they're fussy eaters!)

Trans fats are basically hydrogenated vegatable oils; generally used in cheap foods. They have literally no nutritional value whatsoever, whilst being bad for you in regards to heart disease and what have you.

You probably know where you'll find these fats, but lots of people don't. Like some ice creams. Sure, fatty foods are tasty, without a doubt, and they can continue to be so using alternative means
edit: It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/30/FD40307.DTL&type=food

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[birdlike 0]

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Surely you'll still be able to enjoy all these items; they'll just no longer contain the trans fats.

I take it you favor the government stepping between you and whatever you might like, whenever the government decides it's not healthful enough for you, and taking it away from you -- essentially saying, "You're not responsible enough to make decisions for yourself, and just in case you're not capable of moderation, you can't have any of this stuff."

Why there are people like you, who don't want their own freedom, I cannot understand (and hope I never will). Are you really that afraid of what you might do to yourself? If that's the case, why don't you check yourself into an in-patient psych program?

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

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It's ok - I already have a certificate of sanity. Learn about trans fats and then perhaps your opinion may well change.

In regards to freedom, I'm all for it. By banning trans fats, the only people losing out are shitty unhealthy food producers. And only slightly.

You and me, we eat our shitty unhealthy foods as we like. They'll still taste the same, and we'll be fuckin' healthier for it!



edit: Duh!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[akarunway 1]

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I do cook a fair bit believe it or not. What do you reckon my children eat when my wife is at work in the evenings? I cook nice healthy meals for my kids; they love helping too - such as grating the fresh Parmigiano Reggiano for the wonderful pasta dish I'm preparing, or cutting up the parsley leaves fresh from my kitchen window sill. (It's also a brilliant way to get your children to eat if they're fussy eaters!)

Trans fats are basically hydrogenated vegatable oils; generally used in cheap foods. They have literally no nutritional value whatsoever, whilst being bad for you in regards to heart disease and what have you.

You probably know where you'll find these fats, but lots of people don't. Like some ice creams. Sure, fatty foods are tasty, without a doubt, and they can continue to be so using alternative means
edit: It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/30/FD40307.DTL&type=food

My last child turned 18 some time ago and neither wife could boil water much less cook. My gator/shrimp/andouilli jambalaya is to kill for. We won't even get into my veal or lamb or venison or elk recipies. Trans fat is needed for certain cooking. I only weigh 140 soaking wet my whole life. Not worried about small amounts of trans fats. When the law starts dictating what we can eat. Well. Don't get me started.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[lawrocket 3]

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Surely you'll still be able to enjoy all these items; they'll just no longer contain the trans fats.

Indeed. Surely you'll be able to enjoy skydiving. You'll just no longer be allowed a wingloading of under 1.2/1.

There's a reason why trans fats are used. They taste good.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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[lawrocket 3]

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It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

It has advantages over butter or margarine, which . It has less water content than butter, making it ideal for many baking applications. It also doesn't need refrigeration. IT takes WAY longer to go rancid. And unlike oils, lends a different crispness to many fried goods due to its higher smokepoint. Shortening is superior to butter in many ways, even though I'll admit to only using it in certain circumstances.

Try seasoning a cast iron frying pan with something besides shortening and it is inferior because of rancidity issues.

Ice creams have trans fats because cows produce a level of them naturally. And fatty foods can continue to be tasty without trans fats, much as pasta can be tasty without sauce and cake can be tasty without icing.

I know a bit about cooking and selecting oils, etc. And I know that I like to have choices when eating. Sometimes, I just want that artery-clotting gut buster.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

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Chrome Robot: [trying to unlock door to pursue THX] Can you hear me? Stay calm. Everything will be all right. The door seems to be jammed. Please check the lock on your side. Everything will be all right; we are here to help you. Stay calm. We are not going to harm you. Everything will be all right.

"You have nowhere to go. I am here to protect you."

p.s. - damn. I haven't seen that movie in 20 years.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[jenfly00 0]

That fucked up!

A good example of Lefties gone wild!

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[quade 4]

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There's a reason why trans fats are used. They taste good.

Actually, that's NOT the reason at all.

Transfats are used because they are CHEAP to make. Take cheap vegetable oil, mix with hydrogen and you have transfat. Cheaper than butter. Not BETTER, just cheaper. THAT is why they're used.

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[Andy9o8 3]

I want them to go back to using cocaine in Coca Cola, and formaldehyde in marascino cherries. Because, dammit, they just plain taste better that way. And it's all about personal choice. And that's it.

(Fucken Lefties. Grrrr...)

[nerdgirl 0]

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Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

It's kinky versus straight.

Relative alignment/placement of hydrogens on double-bonded carbon.
Cis unsaturated fats (or hydrocarbons) have hydrogen atoms on the same side and are kinky.

Trans unsaturated fats have the hydrogen atoms on opposite sides of the double bond and are straight.

Kinky doesn't pack as well and is liquid or semi-liquid at room temperature. Straight or partially straight packs better and solidifies at lower temperatures (e.g., Crisco).

Saturated fats (& hydrocarbons) don't have cis or trans isomerizations -- the double bonds are saturated w/hydrogens (i.e., all single bonds). And are solids at even higher tempeatures.

/Marg

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[1969912 0]

I always thought Crisco parties were kinda kinky. Guess I was wrong.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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I do cook a fair bit believe it or not. What do you reckon my children eat when my wife is at work in the evenings? I cook nice healthy meals for my kids; they love helping too - such as grating the fresh Parmigiano Reggiano for the wonderful pasta dish I'm preparing, or cutting up the parsley leaves fresh from my kitchen window sill. (It's also a brilliant way to get your children to eat if they're fussy eaters!)

Trans fats are basically hydrogenated vegatable oils; generally used in cheap foods. They have literally no nutritional value whatsoever, whilst being bad for you in regards to heart disease and what have you.

You probably know where you'll find these fats, but lots of people don't. Like some ice creams. Sure, fatty foods are tasty, without a doubt, and they can continue to be so using alternative means
edit: It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/30/FD40307.DTL&type=food

My last child turned 18 some time ago and neither wife could boil water much less cook. My gator/shrimp/andouilli jambalaya is to kill for. We won't even get into my veal or lamb or venison or elk recipies. Trans fat is needed for certain cooking. I only weigh 140 soaking wet my whole life. Not worried about small amounts of trans fats. When the law starts dictating what we can eat. Well. Don't get me started.

Neither wife couldn't boil water!? Still, I'm sure your recipes are great, but the point here is that there are safer alternatives where also the food wouldn't taste any different! It's not just about keeping the weight down too - these fats fuck your arteries up big time. You're letting yourself get mad over something that isn't worth getting mad about. By thinking like that, do you also think crystal meth should be legalized?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Surely you'll still be able to enjoy all these items; they'll just no longer contain the trans fats.

Indeed. Surely you'll be able to enjoy skydiving. You'll just no longer be allowed a wingloading of under 1.2/1.

There's a reason why trans fats are used. They taste good.

They don't in actual fact. Like I said earlier, the only people losing out on such a ban are the crappy food producers; and even then only slightly.

So what's the problem?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

It has advantages over butter or margarine, which . It has less water content than butter, making it ideal for many baking applications. It also doesn't need refrigeration. IT takes WAY longer to go rancid. And unlike oils, lends a different crispness to many fried goods due to its higher smokepoint. Shortening is superior to butter in many ways, even though I'll admit to only using it in certain circumstances.

Try seasoning a cast iron frying pan with something besides shortening and it is inferior because of rancidity issues.

Ice creams have trans fats because cows produce a level of them naturally. And fatty foods can continue to be tasty without trans fats, much as pasta can be tasty without sauce and cake can be tasty without icing.

I know a bit about cooking and selecting oils, etc. And I know that I like to have choices when eating. Sometimes, I just want that artery-clotting gut buster.

Mate, the trans fats occuring naturally are much less harmful than man-made synthetic ones. You need a trans fat education! Read this:

http://www.tfx.org.uk/page62.html

http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/2003/503_fats.html

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Indeed! Who here knows tha the opposite of trans fat is cis fat? Betcha didn't know that!

It's kinky versus straight.

Relative alignment/placement of hydrogens on double-bonded carbon.
Cis unsaturated fats (or hydrocarbons) have hydrogen atoms on the same side and are kinky.

Trans unsaturated fats have the hydrogen atoms on opposite sides of the double bond and are straight.

Kinky doesn't pack as well and is liquid or semi-liquid at room temperature. Straight or partially straight packs better and solidifies at lower temperatures (e.g., Crisco).

Saturated fats (& hydrocarbons) don't have cis or trans isomerizations -- the double bonds are saturated w/hydrogens (i.e., all single bonds). And are solids at even higher tempeatures.

/Marg

So if I'm understanding you properly, kinky is better than straight, right?

(Homer Simpson voice)'Mmmmmmm....kinky!"

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[akarunway 1]

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I do cook a fair bit believe it or not. What do you reckon my children eat when my wife is at work in the evenings? I cook nice healthy meals for my kids; they love helping too - such as grating the fresh Parmigiano Reggiano for the wonderful pasta dish I'm preparing, or cutting up the parsley leaves fresh from my kitchen window sill. (It's also a brilliant way to get your children to eat if they're fussy eaters!)

Trans fats are basically hydrogenated vegatable oils; generally used in cheap foods. They have literally no nutritional value whatsoever, whilst being bad for you in regards to heart disease and what have you.

You probably know where you'll find these fats, but lots of people don't. Like some ice creams. Sure, fatty foods are tasty, without a doubt, and they can continue to be so using alternative means
edit: It seems your good self and Lawrocket konw little about cooking.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/30/FD40307.DTL&type=food

My last child turned 18 some time ago and neither wife could boil water much less cook. My gator/shrimp/andouilli jambalaya is to kill for. We won't even get into my veal or lamb or venison or elk recipies. Trans fat is needed for certain cooking. I only weigh 140 soaking wet my whole life. Not worried about small amounts of trans fats. When the law starts dictating what we can eat. Well. Don't get me started.

Neither wife couldn't boil water!? Still, I'm sure your recipes are great, but the point here is that there are safer alternatives where also the food wouldn't taste any different! It's not just about keeping the weight down too - these fats fuck your arteries up big time. You're letting yourself get mad over something that isn't worth getting mad about. By thinking like that, do you also think crystal meth should be legalized?

I think all drugs should be legalized. It keeps the prices down. Less thievings. Should be handed out for free. Tax it. Whatever. I walked out last nigh for a drink. Druggies/ hookers everywhere. To many cops. Keep it illegal. I'll just have to shoot em they try to rob me. You seeem like you love the nanny state. Must be good for your wallet.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[georgerussia 0]

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Ice creams have trans fats because cows produce a level of them naturally.

It's also present in human milk as well: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/383

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It's kinky versus straight.

Do you mean people have to choose one or the other? Do you realize how many people's day you just ruined with that information? Finding out that two lovers of opposite gender cannot even enjoy fresh fruit (e.g. pineapples and mangos) or restraints in bed together, today is truly a day that will live in infamy.

Thanks a lot, nerdgirl!

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[jcd11235 0]

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It's kinky versus straight.

Do you mean people have to choose one or the other? Do you realize how many people's day you just ruined with that information? Finding out that two lovers of opposite gender cannot even enjoy fresh fruit (e.g. pineapples and mangos) or restraints in bed together, today is truly a day that will live in infamy.

Thanks a lot, nerdgirl!

Oops. Sorry. It appears I might have quoted you slightly out of context.

Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

[kelpdiver 2]

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Transfats are used because they are CHEAP to make. Take cheap vegetable oil, mix with hydrogen and you have transfat. Cheaper than butter. Not BETTER, just cheaper. THAT is why they're used.

Only partially true.

baked goods are BETTER. Donuts in particular, though Berkeley's King Pin donuts claim they've figured out how to do without transfats after a couple YEARS of experimentation.

Why is this bill in? Aside from NYC envy, we're nearly a month past the "deadline" for this year's budget and the state is still over 10B in the red. It's do nothing, feel good, bullshit legislation, going along with the ban on horsemeat and the eventual ban on foia gras.

As most, you need disclosure that 'evil' food ingredients are being used.