lawrocket 3 #51 July 25, 2008 Quote>BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. No, bill. Not blamestorming. I do not agree that it is the Democrats' fault and not the GOP's. I am saying that CONGRESS passed a resolution authorizing Bush to take whatever steps he felt necessary. TO compare is to a therapist, "That's some hardcore enabling." These things being brought up now? They should have been brought up THEN. Those in Congress who were against it shouldn't have spent time calling Bush and idiot or mentioning how it's a juvenile attempt to get back at the guy who try to kill his daddy. Or mentioned how it's a power play to control the oil supply. Perhaps had they mentioned the sensible stuff, like, "These explanations make no sense because..." then perhaps the initial public support would have been there. Bill - you know I've always been against this war. Right from the start. But I don't put my blame solely on one group. The POTUS clearly failed in his responisbility to the country. But Congress had ITS duty, an it acted in an appalling manner. Or rather, inacted in an appalling manner. And right now, Congress STILL lacks the anatomy to do anything of substance. It's THEIR job to remove the unilateral authority they gave to the POTUS. And they won't do it. Recall, bill, that I mentioned there is no way the Dem Congress would o anything to end this war until after the election. HAve I been proven wrong? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #52 July 25, 2008 So the man you allude to as a fucking idiot ingeniously decided to start a war to destabilize oil markets years later so oil companies could make a profit...I see... What kind of plot would a smart person have hatched to make a profit? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #53 July 25, 2008 Quote What kind of plot would a smart person have hatched to make a profit? I suspect it would have involved a renewable energy source. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #54 July 25, 2008 Quote So the man you allude to as a fucking idiot ingeniously decided to start a war to destabilize oil markets years later so oil companies could make a profit...I see... What kind of plot would a smart person have hatched to make a profit? How else would an alcoholic, drug addict, deserter have made it that far if it wasn't for the people who reaalized just how usable he would be in office? It was some pretty smart fellers that put the fucking idiot in the office.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #55 July 25, 2008 Quote How else would an alcoholic, drug addict, deserter have made it that far if it wasn't for the people who reaalized just how usable he would be in office? It was some pretty smart fellers that put the fucking idiot in the office. That right there is the crux of the problem.....the man has been incompetent in everything he has ever done, his excellent little adventure in Iraq is just more of the same. On the otherhand... you have Vinnie and others who will NEVER believe anything about their imperious leader that does not fit their world view...that has been carefully crafted for them. Its far easier for them to believe and to blame their so called liberals and defeat-o-crats rather than their incredibly flawed party that they believed in with such fervor, and has let them down so badly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #56 July 25, 2008 "Maybe using mercury in vaccines is detrimental to a newborn's immune system. Again, most people don't realize that this is the case with many vaccinations. But do you even realize you have a choice as a parent? Most people don't. " ------------------------------------------------ and maybe faireies are in the bottom of my garden talking to the elves.But like your vaccine example there is no evidence to support either conclusion. The mercury vacine scare has been blown up by irresponsible journalists, promoting the idea that thimerrosal in vacicines was leading to increasing autism rates. This has effectivley been disproved because as a precautionatry measure it was taken out of vaccines in 2001 yet autism rates have still increased. There were also a number of detailed studies that reviewed the data and found no link eg: Doja, A., and W. Roberts. 2006. Immunizations and autism: a review of the literature. Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences 33(4):341–46. Parker, S.K., B. Schwartz, J. Todd, and L.K. Pickering. 2004. Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: a critical review of published original data. Pediatrics 114(3):793–804. "Maybe the leading cause of polio outbreaks worldwide is the vaccinations themselves. "You can choose to believe that statistic or not, " what statstisitc? you didnt quote any . You just made a ridicilous supposition. Here are some actual statistics, look at the incidence of disease pre and post vaccines here: HIB http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/swfalt/hib.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/DTaP_IPV_Hib/The_diseases/Hib/How_common_is_Hib&h=300&w=530&sz=29&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=RmHEfv84F41rqM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=132&pre mumps http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.vcu.edu/cbuttery/mumps06.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.vcu.edu/cbuttery/immunizations/&h=300&w=638&sz=26&hl=en&start=22&tbnid=aYKEEgwO-6obNM:&tbnh=64&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvaccine%2Bintroduced%26start%3D18%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN Polio http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ott.zynet.co.uk/polio/lincolnshire/library/bollenbach/images/biologyvfig1.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.ott.zynet.co.uk/polio/lincolnshire/library/bollenbach/biology6.html&h=295&w=502&sz=4&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=ZvZehlqLPY5edM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpolio%2Bvaccine%2Bintroduced%2Bcdc%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive and some more here etc: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c2/180px-Rubella-us-1966-93-cdc.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.answers.com/topic/mmr-vaccine&h=123&w=179&sz=5&hl=en&start=14&tbnid=5TT7NZQH51BsVM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dimmunisation%2Bintroduced%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DX Yes any medical treatment has risks but its not the same as skydiving. If you dont go skydiving that doesnt harm other poeple. If you get a contagious disease that does harm other people. Sorry the two are not analagous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #57 July 25, 2008 We KNOW that the White House had access to all the intel, including that which we now know to have shown that the WMD reports were flaky. The people only saw and heard what the White House wanted them to see and hear. I suspect that goes for most of the Congress too. The White House is clearly culpable. It's not so clear that the Congress is culpable, just that it's weak kneed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #58 July 25, 2008 So now he's not a sinister mastermind...but a puppet of sinister masterminds... This keeps getting better and better. And now Kallend attempts to defend the indefensible with Congress! Who needs cable with this sort of entertainment? I'll be smiling much larger than usual when I hit the office in a few minutes! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #59 July 25, 2008 Quote So now he's not a sinister mastermind...but a puppet of sinister masterminds... This keeps getting better and better. And now Kallend attempts to defend the indefensible with Congress! Who needs cable with this sort of entertainment? I'll be smiling much larger than usual when I hit the office in a few minutes! Not had your morning tequila yet, Vinnie? You're not making any sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #60 July 25, 2008 Being anti-vaccine puts a person in the Tinfoil Beannie crowd. The only thing you will find to back you up are nutcase rants on Rense and sensationalist crap in the mainstream media with no supporting evidence. And maybe a few Chirocrackers. It's like the big scary clicky story on msn.com: Can Vaccines Actually Harm Your Child? Will The Earth's Core Stop Turning? View Alien Autopsy Evidence Here! The answer is a pretty firm NO, but they got you to click on it and that was their primary goal. The CDC statement quoted is the standard CYA disclaimer and can pretty much be ignored. Similar to the warning you get that you can die during orthoscopic knee surgery. Sure, could happen, but a stupid reason not to have the surgery." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #61 July 25, 2008 Quote So now he's not a sinister mastermind...but a puppet of sinister masterminds... This keeps getting better and better. And now Kallend attempts to defend the indefensible with Congress! Who needs cable with this sort of entertainment? I'll be smiling much larger than usual when I hit the office in a few minutes! Our pres may seem like a frikin genius to you ...everything being relative and all , but to most people, he's an idiot ...with enough skeletons hanging around to make him most usable.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #62 July 25, 2008 >I am saying that CONGRESS passed a resolution authorizing Bush to >take whatever steps he felt necessary. I agree - both are certainly bear some responsibility. However, for the first several years of the war, the pro-war types spent much of their time portraying the anti-war folks as spineless cowards, unwilling to show the courage of the right wing in going after Saddam. People who thought the war was a quagmire were labeled unpatriotic or terrorist enablers, while people who supported the war were troop-supporting patriots. (Not saying you did this.) Now we have reached a point where even former war supporters are saying, essentially, "it's not our fault! The democrats didn't stop us from making a bad decision!" And there is indeed some truth to that - but is also a remarkable change in attitude, brought about by the realization that the war really didn't go as well as they hoped it would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #63 July 26, 2008 Oooooh....add a PA to the mix and the plot thickens more... tsk tsk tsk. And left wingers wonder why I laugh so hard on occasion... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #64 July 26, 2008 Quote So now he's not a sinister mastermind...but a puppet of sinister masterminds... This keeps getting better and better. And now Kallend attempts to defend the indefensible with Congress! Who needs cable with this sort of entertainment? I'll be smiling much larger than usual when I hit the office in a few minutes! Tell us Vinnie, which branch of government controls the intelligence machinery of the USA? WHich branch can control who sees what? Which branch sees it all and can pick and choose which parts anyone else gets to see?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #65 July 26, 2008 QuoteOooooh....add a PA to the mix and the plot thickens more... Is it thin skin week in SC? I've lost track of all the times I've heard wolf cried unnecessarily this week.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #66 July 26, 2008 So now a baboon level intellect manipulated intelligence, fooled Congress (who funds it), AND found time to hatch a plot to disrupt world oil markets. Aha! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #67 July 26, 2008 Don't confuse the monkey with the organ grinder.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #68 July 26, 2008 Quote So.... in the last 7 years the "ultra conservative Fringe right" has essentially been in control of all 3 branches of government. The federal deficit has increased to a high never dreamed of a few years ago!!! Gas prices have more than doubled!!! Housing markets have collapsed across the country!!! the EPA has been gutted!!!!! Our food safety is at an all time low!!!!! 4000+ young americans are dead in a war that was a lie based on the need for greed rather than sound intelligence. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted or disappeared from the US Treasury with literally no oversite!!!!!! And still the illiterate fringe right is blabbering how its all the liberals fault.....WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING...... I dont want any!!!!!!!!! Fuck knows what they're smoking but perhaps you'd be better off picturing it all as some kinda gigantic wealth generator. The fools are only the ones immediately below officialdom without a bit of the pie. See it for what it is. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 July 26, 2008 Quote Fuck knows what they're smoking but perhaps you'd be better off picturing it all as some kinda gigantic wealth generator. The fools are only the ones immediately below officialdom without a bit of the pie. See it for what it is. They cant... that is the problem... they swallow the lie.. hook line and sinker.. and see no other alternatives to what they have been spoon fed... and WANT to believe. They think they have a stake in the rip-off....which is totally delusional.... but they did get their few hundreds of dollars that their Imperious leader gave them to "stimulate the economy" Friggin morons... it was theirr own money that GW allowed them to have back... and even then only a couple percent of what was taken in the first place Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #70 July 28, 2008 More stupid childish responses ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 July 28, 2008 Poor Butters.... just cant think outside your wee little box of 4 sticks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #72 July 28, 2008 Whoever goofed up this thread and made it so I have to scroll to see the ends of sentences ought to be drug out behind the hangar and beaten with an expired Sentinel." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #73 July 28, 2008 QuoteWhoever goofed up this thread and made it so I have to scroll to see the ends of sentences ought to be drug out behind the hangar and beaten with an expired Sentinel. QFTMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
