riddler 0 #26 July 24, 2008 QuoteOk, maybe I'm not reading this how you meant it, but are you saying getting your child vaccinated is bad? Nope. What I'm saying is bad is parents not educating themselves about child vaccinations, and taking the word of the government and doctors without understanding that they have rights and choices. Maybe injecting one shot containing eight attenuated viruses into newborn is bad. Or maybe you think it's OK. That's a decision the parents are allowed to make for their children. Maybe using mercury in vaccines is detrimental to a newborn's immune system. Again, most people don't realize that this is the case with many vaccinations. But do you even realize you have a choice as a parent? Most people don't. Maybe the leading cause of polio outbreaks worldwide is the vaccinations themselves. You can choose to believe that statistic or not, and more importantly, choose if you want that particular vaccine for your child. Even the CDC has this to say about vaccines: QuoteVaccines are developed in accordance with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict the reaction of a specific individual to a particular vaccine. So, like skydiving, you get to choose your risk level. If I'm taking my kids to Nigeria, I'll get them a polio vaccine. Meantime, living in the center of the US, I don't really think it's necessary, and potentially more dangerous than not doing it.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 July 24, 2008 QuoteSo.... in the last 7 years the "ultra conservative Fringe right" has essentially been in control of all 3 branches of government. I disagree. They are far from "ultraconservative." They are Keynesian communists with religion, too. QuoteThe federal deficit has increased to a high never dreamed of a few years ago!!! Never dreamed of? I hate to break it to you, but you ain't seen nuthin yet. QuoteGas prices have more than doubled!!! Kinda like the 70's. Then we got efficient. There became a glut of gas and it got cheap. Then in the 80's and 90's we got greedy and started getting gas guzzlers. Then gas got expensive. Soon it'll be cheap again when people get efficient. It's not like we haven't seen this before. And I think it has ALMOST ZERO to do with who is in charge of the governement. QuoteHousing markets have collapsed across the country!!! Yeah, after the housing markets EXPLODED for a few years. Collapses come after explosions. Who was bitching about the explosion a few years ago? Quotethe EPA has been gutted!!!!! Tell that to farmers in the Central Valley of California, who have abandoned vast acres because there's no water for them. Thank you, Delta Smelt. QuoteOur food safety is at an all time low!!!!! Okay. That's just plain falsehood. That's a subjective statement that can be objectively disproven. Quote4000+ young americans are dead in a war that was a lie based on the need for greed rather than sound intelligence. Or, actually, based on the idiotic idea that we can quickly and easily install a democracy in a place that just ain't ready for it. QuoteHundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted or disappeared from the US Treasury with literally no oversite!!!!!! Government waste? That dates back, well, centuries. QuoteAnd still the illiterate fringe right is blabbering how its all the liberals fault..... Yeah. And the liberals bitch about it being the conservatives' fault. Well, it's EVERYONE'S FAULT! EVERYONE! Everyone who voted or didn't vote. It's your fault. Everyone who gets a government benefit - it's your fault. Everyone who uses gasoline - it's your fault. Everyone who has a demand for a product that passes through interstate commerce - your fault. Democrats or Republicans? They were in every last bit of this - TOGETHER. The Dems in Congress didn't give a rat's ass about the spending because they supplied the gravy train, too. This is why the Dems haven't fixed ANYTHING during their last 18 months running Congress. Jeanne - direct the blame where it belongs - everywhere. It's not party specific. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #28 July 24, 2008 Quote it was also the dems who encouraged lending institutions to give loans to more people at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. Who would have thought that Ed McMahon was at the "lower end of the socioeconomic ladder"? Keep thinking about it, the revelation will trickle down eventually. Ok, now that the jab is out of the way I have to admit that even Reagan wouldn't approve of what our Congress has allowed happen. Trickle down doesn't work when you deregulate a business only to give it a Treasury teet. In addition we've legalized loan sharking, let Wall Street get too imaginative and worst of all (IMO) we've allowed the banks to base their business models on failure. Banks need/desire/cultivate customers who can't completely fulfill their contracts because they make most of their money these days from delinquency fees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #29 July 24, 2008 Quotedirect the blame where it belongs - everywhere. It's not party specific. Nor is the level of responsibility uniform.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adriandavies 0 #30 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnt the UK housing market is in a great shape because of all the extra regulation, I don' think so, prices are falling just as fast over there, it is just a year or two behind like all economic change is. I actually agree with you that lax regulation is partially to blame for the crisis we are in now, ut the main cause is greed, and that is just as bad in the UK as it is here in the USA, but don't come on with that holier than thou bullshit. Alright matey there's no need to be rude when I was just making a general point. I wouldn't say that it was holier than though bullshit. I just pointed out that the government ultimately has responsibility for legislation. If it can see something is wrong with the market it has an obligation to act. Ninja mortgages are not un heard here despite FSA oversight but with little or no control as in the US they were far more widespread and gave rise to rampant house price inflation and now an equally large drop in prices. The UK doesn't have a perfect record in this area but currently no one but the most pessimistic pundits are predicting a crash on the size of that in America and that in part is due to the tight mortgage rules we have here. There are plenty of other factors such as an under supply of new housing and nett immigration which has kept the rental buy to let market strong as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #31 July 24, 2008 Quotedirect the blame where it belongs - everywhere. It's not party specific. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nor is the level of responsibility uniform. I love how they try to spread it around.. even though they have been the ones in control....that is completely and utterly WHACKED. I seem to remember a WHOLE lot of gloating by right wingers here about the dems being shut out of everything... remember this little tidbit??? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/03/back_room_dealing_a_capitol_trend?pg=full While McGovern -- a former member of the staff of the late Representative J. Joseph Moakley, who once headed the Rules Committee -- acknowledged that Democrats tended to get their way when they controlled the committee, he contends that the committee is now a bill-laundering machine, through which the GOP rewrites legislation to suit its agenda. "This has become a place where you can't even debate alternative approaches," McGovern said. Representative Jim Leach, an Iowa Republican and a former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was stunned and angered this year when he was denied an opportunity to offer an amendment to a banking bill. The measure, designed to deregulate parts of the financial services industry, allowed corporations to provide banking services through an "industrial loan company," but would not subject the corporate holding company to the same oversight imposed on banks. Leach worried that insufficiently regulated banking activities could lead to costly failures, leaving the government responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in deposits. He wanted to offer an amendment that would have regulated the holding companies in the same way as banks. But the Republican leaders on the Rules Committee refused to allow his amendment. "The fix was in," Leach said in an unusual rebuke of his GOP colleagues on the House floor. "The power groups did not want this to happen. In my time in Congress, this is the greatest microcosm evidence of special-interest reasoning that does not even allow debate on this subject Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,184 #32 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuote our problems have been a long time coming. the Reagan/Bush deficit/debt chickens have come home to roost. Fixed it for you. A mountain of debt is not a good foundation on which to build a sound economy. Me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #33 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteMore stupid childish responses ... Can you do ANYTHING other than make personal attacks????/ Nope didnt think so.. That isn't a personal attack according to the moderators. PS: I've been learning from the professionals. I guess you don't believe that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #34 July 24, 2008 QuoteSo.... in the last 7 years the "ultra conservative Fringe right" has essentially been in control of all 3 branches of government. The federal deficit has increased to a high never dreamed of a few years ago!!! Gas prices have more than doubled!!! Housing markets have collapsed across the country!!! the EPA has been gutted!!!!! Our food safety is at an all time low!!!!! 4000+ young americans are dead in a war that was a lie based on the need for greed rather than sound intelligence. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted or disappeared from the US Treasury with literally no oversite!!!!!! and who gives a fuck how many people we slaughtered! High five! Rock on USA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #35 July 24, 2008 QuoteI love how they try to spread it around.. even though they have been the ones in control....that is completely and utterly WHACKED. Indeed. I like the article you cited. But you left something off - the next paragraph. QuoteThe fix was in," Leach said in an unusual rebuke of his GOP colleagues on the House floor. "The power groups did not want this to happen. In my time in Congress, this is the greatest microcosm evidence of special-interest reasoning that does not even allow debate on this subject Here's the next paragraph - well, next sentence: QuoteDemocrats are arguably suffering from their own decisions: It was the then-majority Democrats who changed the makeup of the Rules Committee to give the majority more than a 2-to-1 advantage over the other party, acknowledged a Democratic staff member close to the panel. "Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Yeah. The Dems tried to screw the Republicans when they were in charge. Now the Republicans are using those same rules, and are far better at using the rules than the Dems were. As I said, it's both sides equally in this. And saying the Republicans are worse is like a guy claiming sure, I had an affair with a woman, but she's worse because she had an affair with someone who was married. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #36 July 24, 2008 I guess its ok that therePUBICans took it to new levels.. Especially based on their supposed morality and bringing dignity to the White House... Bottom line... THEY took control of everything.. and they fucked it up far worse than its ever been fucked up. I guess thats ok in the right wingers minds... Quote Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Thin layer of dust indeed.. compared to the landslide of graft.. corruption...cronyism....war profiteering.. that the right has brought to America. But go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Lush Rimjob has done his work well and laughed at all of you all the way to the bank.. just like those who he helped to bring to power... and who got that DO AS I SAY ...NOT AS I DO.. mentality down to a fine science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites somethinelse 0 #37 July 24, 2008 altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #38 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals" There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. The last time I looked, there's NEVER been a Congress that was comprised solely from one political party. It took BOTH sides of the aisle to get us into this mess - it's going to take both sides of the aisle to get us out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #39 July 24, 2008 Quote altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? And that, folks, is just as funny as hell. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #40 July 24, 2008 QuoteNow the Republicans are abusing those same rules, and are far better at abusing the rules than the Dems were. Fixed that for you. QuoteAs I said, it's both sides equally in this. One would have to be blind to reality to believe both sides are equally to blame. Are both sides guilty? Absolutely. Equally so? Not even close.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #41 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Yes. Because I blame them all, liberals will be implicated in it. That also means that I am blaming the so-called "conservatives." But I guess you didn't see that part about blaming them, too. I will admit that a Republican Congress with Bush as President made for a horrible mix. I had HOPED that perhaps a Democrat-controlled Congress would bring a bit of sensibility to the government. Too bad that I was wrong. There is a key difference between Dubya and Clinton. Recall that when Clinton took office in 1993, he had Congress on his side. When they were fundamentally unchecked by a weak-ass Republican contingent in Congress, Clinton and Congress were so fucking bad that the 1994 "Republican Revolution" occurred, and the GOP took the House of Representatives for the first time since 1954. The swing was more than 50 seats. And Republicans took 8 seats in the Senate for a majority, and two Dem senators switched parties for a 10 seat swing. At the time, Clinton was an utter failure. Congress was an utter failure and corrupt. The American people were fed up. So Clinton, actually being intelligent about it, took his lumps and became a goddamned good president. Fast forward from 1994 to 2006. In the Senate, the GOP lost 6 seats, giving the Dems the plurality (but actually majority, since the independents were more liberal). And they took 31 seats in the House for a majority. Now, what we had with this Congress was different from the 104th. The 104th had balls. And they did a bunch of stuff that was actually perceived by the American public as useful. Clinton had a choice and decided "if you can't beat them, join them." Meanwhile, Bush has faced no such choice because this Democratic Congress is a load of chickenshits. There is also another thought that crossed my mind. The Dem Congress may actually recall that Clinton got re-elected when the 104th actually did what it said. The 104th gave him an opportunity to rehabilitate his public image. This Congress isn't gonna give Bush or the GOP any such chance. They'll fiddle while the fire burns. And secure the election for the Dem candidate. All I can say is, I have developed a pretty healthy fear for what happens when Congress is of the same party as the POTUS. Checks and balances don't occur. Then again, Congress ain't checking the POTUS now. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 July 24, 2008 Well said!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #43 July 25, 2008 So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!! NOW we get it!!!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #44 July 25, 2008 Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 July 25, 2008 Quote So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Just because your incompetent in chief changed the reason so many times... does not neccesarily mean they did not have many reasons for getting into this fiasco. Your inability to think past the propaganda you want to believe and to want other people to believe... is astounding for a supposedly intelligent guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #46 July 25, 2008 Quote Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you >>and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. Sadly, my prediction came true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #47 July 25, 2008 QuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #48 July 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz Re-read my response to Jeanne and lawrocket's excellent post above. BOTH sides got us into this mess.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #49 July 25, 2008 >BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #50 July 25, 2008 Quote>BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Well, you certainly have your snark turned up today, Bill - rough day at work?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Amazon 7 #31 July 24, 2008 Quotedirect the blame where it belongs - everywhere. It's not party specific. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nor is the level of responsibility uniform. I love how they try to spread it around.. even though they have been the ones in control....that is completely and utterly WHACKED. I seem to remember a WHOLE lot of gloating by right wingers here about the dems being shut out of everything... remember this little tidbit??? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/03/back_room_dealing_a_capitol_trend?pg=full While McGovern -- a former member of the staff of the late Representative J. Joseph Moakley, who once headed the Rules Committee -- acknowledged that Democrats tended to get their way when they controlled the committee, he contends that the committee is now a bill-laundering machine, through which the GOP rewrites legislation to suit its agenda. "This has become a place where you can't even debate alternative approaches," McGovern said. Representative Jim Leach, an Iowa Republican and a former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was stunned and angered this year when he was denied an opportunity to offer an amendment to a banking bill. The measure, designed to deregulate parts of the financial services industry, allowed corporations to provide banking services through an "industrial loan company," but would not subject the corporate holding company to the same oversight imposed on banks. Leach worried that insufficiently regulated banking activities could lead to costly failures, leaving the government responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in deposits. He wanted to offer an amendment that would have regulated the holding companies in the same way as banks. But the Republican leaders on the Rules Committee refused to allow his amendment. "The fix was in," Leach said in an unusual rebuke of his GOP colleagues on the House floor. "The power groups did not want this to happen. In my time in Congress, this is the greatest microcosm evidence of special-interest reasoning that does not even allow debate on this subject Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #32 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuote our problems have been a long time coming. the Reagan/Bush deficit/debt chickens have come home to roost. Fixed it for you. A mountain of debt is not a good foundation on which to build a sound economy. Me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #33 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteMore stupid childish responses ... Can you do ANYTHING other than make personal attacks????/ Nope didnt think so.. That isn't a personal attack according to the moderators. PS: I've been learning from the professionals. I guess you don't believe that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #34 July 24, 2008 QuoteSo.... in the last 7 years the "ultra conservative Fringe right" has essentially been in control of all 3 branches of government. The federal deficit has increased to a high never dreamed of a few years ago!!! Gas prices have more than doubled!!! Housing markets have collapsed across the country!!! the EPA has been gutted!!!!! Our food safety is at an all time low!!!!! 4000+ young americans are dead in a war that was a lie based on the need for greed rather than sound intelligence. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted or disappeared from the US Treasury with literally no oversite!!!!!! and who gives a fuck how many people we slaughtered! High five! Rock on USA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #35 July 24, 2008 QuoteI love how they try to spread it around.. even though they have been the ones in control....that is completely and utterly WHACKED. Indeed. I like the article you cited. But you left something off - the next paragraph. QuoteThe fix was in," Leach said in an unusual rebuke of his GOP colleagues on the House floor. "The power groups did not want this to happen. In my time in Congress, this is the greatest microcosm evidence of special-interest reasoning that does not even allow debate on this subject Here's the next paragraph - well, next sentence: QuoteDemocrats are arguably suffering from their own decisions: It was the then-majority Democrats who changed the makeup of the Rules Committee to give the majority more than a 2-to-1 advantage over the other party, acknowledged a Democratic staff member close to the panel. "Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Yeah. The Dems tried to screw the Republicans when they were in charge. Now the Republicans are using those same rules, and are far better at using the rules than the Dems were. As I said, it's both sides equally in this. And saying the Republicans are worse is like a guy claiming sure, I had an affair with a woman, but she's worse because she had an affair with someone who was married. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #36 July 24, 2008 I guess its ok that therePUBICans took it to new levels.. Especially based on their supposed morality and bringing dignity to the White House... Bottom line... THEY took control of everything.. and they fucked it up far worse than its ever been fucked up. I guess thats ok in the right wingers minds... Quote Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Thin layer of dust indeed.. compared to the landslide of graft.. corruption...cronyism....war profiteering.. that the right has brought to America. But go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Lush Rimjob has done his work well and laughed at all of you all the way to the bank.. just like those who he helped to bring to power... and who got that DO AS I SAY ...NOT AS I DO.. mentality down to a fine science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites somethinelse 0 #37 July 24, 2008 altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #38 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals" There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. The last time I looked, there's NEVER been a Congress that was comprised solely from one political party. It took BOTH sides of the aisle to get us into this mess - it's going to take both sides of the aisle to get us out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #39 July 24, 2008 Quote altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? And that, folks, is just as funny as hell. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #40 July 24, 2008 QuoteNow the Republicans are abusing those same rules, and are far better at abusing the rules than the Dems were. Fixed that for you. QuoteAs I said, it's both sides equally in this. One would have to be blind to reality to believe both sides are equally to blame. Are both sides guilty? Absolutely. Equally so? Not even close.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #41 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Yes. Because I blame them all, liberals will be implicated in it. That also means that I am blaming the so-called "conservatives." But I guess you didn't see that part about blaming them, too. I will admit that a Republican Congress with Bush as President made for a horrible mix. I had HOPED that perhaps a Democrat-controlled Congress would bring a bit of sensibility to the government. Too bad that I was wrong. There is a key difference between Dubya and Clinton. Recall that when Clinton took office in 1993, he had Congress on his side. When they were fundamentally unchecked by a weak-ass Republican contingent in Congress, Clinton and Congress were so fucking bad that the 1994 "Republican Revolution" occurred, and the GOP took the House of Representatives for the first time since 1954. The swing was more than 50 seats. And Republicans took 8 seats in the Senate for a majority, and two Dem senators switched parties for a 10 seat swing. At the time, Clinton was an utter failure. Congress was an utter failure and corrupt. The American people were fed up. So Clinton, actually being intelligent about it, took his lumps and became a goddamned good president. Fast forward from 1994 to 2006. In the Senate, the GOP lost 6 seats, giving the Dems the plurality (but actually majority, since the independents were more liberal). And they took 31 seats in the House for a majority. Now, what we had with this Congress was different from the 104th. The 104th had balls. And they did a bunch of stuff that was actually perceived by the American public as useful. Clinton had a choice and decided "if you can't beat them, join them." Meanwhile, Bush has faced no such choice because this Democratic Congress is a load of chickenshits. There is also another thought that crossed my mind. The Dem Congress may actually recall that Clinton got re-elected when the 104th actually did what it said. The 104th gave him an opportunity to rehabilitate his public image. This Congress isn't gonna give Bush or the GOP any such chance. They'll fiddle while the fire burns. And secure the election for the Dem candidate. All I can say is, I have developed a pretty healthy fear for what happens when Congress is of the same party as the POTUS. Checks and balances don't occur. Then again, Congress ain't checking the POTUS now. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 July 24, 2008 Well said!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #43 July 25, 2008 So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!! NOW we get it!!!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #44 July 25, 2008 Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 July 25, 2008 Quote So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Just because your incompetent in chief changed the reason so many times... does not neccesarily mean they did not have many reasons for getting into this fiasco. Your inability to think past the propaganda you want to believe and to want other people to believe... is astounding for a supposedly intelligent guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #46 July 25, 2008 Quote Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you >>and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. Sadly, my prediction came true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #47 July 25, 2008 QuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #48 July 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz Re-read my response to Jeanne and lawrocket's excellent post above. BOTH sides got us into this mess.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #49 July 25, 2008 >BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #50 July 25, 2008 Quote>BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Well, you certainly have your snark turned up today, Bill - rough day at work?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Butters 0 #33 July 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteMore stupid childish responses ... Can you do ANYTHING other than make personal attacks????/ Nope didnt think so.. That isn't a personal attack according to the moderators. PS: I've been learning from the professionals. I guess you don't believe that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #34 July 24, 2008 QuoteSo.... in the last 7 years the "ultra conservative Fringe right" has essentially been in control of all 3 branches of government. The federal deficit has increased to a high never dreamed of a few years ago!!! Gas prices have more than doubled!!! Housing markets have collapsed across the country!!! the EPA has been gutted!!!!! Our food safety is at an all time low!!!!! 4000+ young americans are dead in a war that was a lie based on the need for greed rather than sound intelligence. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted or disappeared from the US Treasury with literally no oversite!!!!!! and who gives a fuck how many people we slaughtered! High five! Rock on USA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #35 July 24, 2008 QuoteI love how they try to spread it around.. even though they have been the ones in control....that is completely and utterly WHACKED. Indeed. I like the article you cited. But you left something off - the next paragraph. QuoteThe fix was in," Leach said in an unusual rebuke of his GOP colleagues on the House floor. "The power groups did not want this to happen. In my time in Congress, this is the greatest microcosm evidence of special-interest reasoning that does not even allow debate on this subject Here's the next paragraph - well, next sentence: QuoteDemocrats are arguably suffering from their own decisions: It was the then-majority Democrats who changed the makeup of the Rules Committee to give the majority more than a 2-to-1 advantage over the other party, acknowledged a Democratic staff member close to the panel. "Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Yeah. The Dems tried to screw the Republicans when they were in charge. Now the Republicans are using those same rules, and are far better at using the rules than the Dems were. As I said, it's both sides equally in this. And saying the Republicans are worse is like a guy claiming sure, I had an affair with a woman, but she's worse because she had an affair with someone who was married. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 July 24, 2008 I guess its ok that therePUBICans took it to new levels.. Especially based on their supposed morality and bringing dignity to the White House... Bottom line... THEY took control of everything.. and they fucked it up far worse than its ever been fucked up. I guess thats ok in the right wingers minds... Quote Our hands are not clean, no question," the staff member said. "But it's like a thin layer of dust compared to what the Republicans are doing." Thin layer of dust indeed.. compared to the landslide of graft.. corruption...cronyism....war profiteering.. that the right has brought to America. But go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Lush Rimjob has done his work well and laughed at all of you all the way to the bank.. just like those who he helped to bring to power... and who got that DO AS I SAY ...NOT AS I DO.. mentality down to a fine science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
somethinelse 0 #37 July 24, 2008 altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals" There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. The last time I looked, there's NEVER been a Congress that was comprised solely from one political party. It took BOTH sides of the aisle to get us into this mess - it's going to take both sides of the aisle to get us out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #39 July 24, 2008 Quote altho posted by a woman, shouldn't this more appropritely been posted in either Speaker Forum, or Bon Fire?? And that, folks, is just as funny as hell. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #40 July 24, 2008 QuoteNow the Republicans are abusing those same rules, and are far better at abusing the rules than the Dems were. Fixed that for you. QuoteAs I said, it's both sides equally in this. One would have to be blind to reality to believe both sides are equally to blame. Are both sides guilty? Absolutely. Equally so? Not even close.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 July 24, 2008 QuoteBut go ahead... keep blaming it on the "liberals"... Yes. Because I blame them all, liberals will be implicated in it. That also means that I am blaming the so-called "conservatives." But I guess you didn't see that part about blaming them, too. I will admit that a Republican Congress with Bush as President made for a horrible mix. I had HOPED that perhaps a Democrat-controlled Congress would bring a bit of sensibility to the government. Too bad that I was wrong. There is a key difference between Dubya and Clinton. Recall that when Clinton took office in 1993, he had Congress on his side. When they were fundamentally unchecked by a weak-ass Republican contingent in Congress, Clinton and Congress were so fucking bad that the 1994 "Republican Revolution" occurred, and the GOP took the House of Representatives for the first time since 1954. The swing was more than 50 seats. And Republicans took 8 seats in the Senate for a majority, and two Dem senators switched parties for a 10 seat swing. At the time, Clinton was an utter failure. Congress was an utter failure and corrupt. The American people were fed up. So Clinton, actually being intelligent about it, took his lumps and became a goddamned good president. Fast forward from 1994 to 2006. In the Senate, the GOP lost 6 seats, giving the Dems the plurality (but actually majority, since the independents were more liberal). And they took 31 seats in the House for a majority. Now, what we had with this Congress was different from the 104th. The 104th had balls. And they did a bunch of stuff that was actually perceived by the American public as useful. Clinton had a choice and decided "if you can't beat them, join them." Meanwhile, Bush has faced no such choice because this Democratic Congress is a load of chickenshits. There is also another thought that crossed my mind. The Dem Congress may actually recall that Clinton got re-elected when the 104th actually did what it said. The 104th gave him an opportunity to rehabilitate his public image. This Congress isn't gonna give Bush or the GOP any such chance. They'll fiddle while the fire burns. And secure the election for the Dem candidate. All I can say is, I have developed a pretty healthy fear for what happens when Congress is of the same party as the POTUS. Checks and balances don't occur. Then again, Congress ain't checking the POTUS now. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 July 24, 2008 Well said!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #43 July 25, 2008 So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!! NOW we get it!!!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 July 25, 2008 Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 July 25, 2008 Quote So now the war is about destabilizing oil prices...first it was for revenge on the mean old Mr. Hussein for trying to assassinate GWB's daddy...then it was FOR oil...and then it was for DoD contractors...and NOW it's to destabilize the world oil markets!!! Just because your incompetent in chief changed the reason so many times... does not neccesarily mean they did not have many reasons for getting into this fiasco. Your inability to think past the propaganda you want to believe and to want other people to believe... is astounding for a supposedly intelligent guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 July 25, 2008 Quote Quote There's your problem - you're so polarized that you see anything BUT full agreement with YOUR view as "blaming it all on the liberals", when that is EXACTLY what you're doing in reverse. That is why nobody takes your argument seriously - you attack everyone who dares to disagree with you, and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. As Ronnie Raygun once said " There you go again" Interesting ... that you could possibly want to play "moderate" when all you did for several years was cheer on the rePUBICans... till they lost the Congress in 2006 and so many of your guys let you down on your "morality" and "values" issues... oh and lets not forget.. you have been one of the staunchest supporters of this fiasco that your administration took us into for fun and profit. One more Oack Leaf Cluster for you >>and I'm sure you'll attack me again for this post. Sadly, my prediction came true.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #47 July 25, 2008 QuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 July 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteTranslation: ZOMG!!! EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND IT'S ALL A..... (attached) At least y'all are finally getting a clue. Hopefully. linz Re-read my response to Jeanne and lawrocket's excellent post above. BOTH sides got us into this mess.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #49 July 25, 2008 >BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 July 25, 2008 Quote>BOTH sides got us into this mess. It is a true sign of the times that even conservatives are now abandoning the "we are winning the war" mantra and starting the inevitable blamestorming over who is responsible for this quagmire. "It wasn't us - the democrats didn't stop it when they could!" Which is quite true, of course. Well, you certainly have your snark turned up today, Bill - rough day at work?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
