ChasingBlueSky 0 #1 July 22, 2008 http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1825337,00.html Very interesting to see such a large, mainstream piece of media go out on a ledge like this. Plus they have the courage to be completely honest on the state of media in this election: QuoteIt's also unwise to underestimate the hunger of the media for an exciting race. If Obama emerges as a big front-runner, it's a good bet that the press will air more of McCain's attacks. QuoteThe media will try to preserve the illusion of a toss-up; you'll keep seeing "Obama Leads, But Voters Have Concerns" headlines. QuoteAnalysts get paid to analyze, and cable news has airtime to fill, so pundits have an incentive to make politics seem complicated. In the end, though, it's usually pretty simple._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 July 22, 2008 Quote McCain has struggled to find his voice in this environment. His initial reaction to the foreclosure crisis boiled down to old-fashioned conservative self-reliance, which went over like a lead balloon, and was eventually replaced with a more aggressive plan for government assistance. He has changed or shaded his positions on offshore drilling, the estate tax, ethanol, immigration and a host of other issues. He can't seem to decide whether to run as a maverick and risk demoralizing a GOP base that already mistrusts him or run as a conservative and risk alienating swing voters who already miss the John McCain of 2000. Amen to that.. I would have voted for him in 2000This year.. the more he talks the more I dont like him..the pandering to the far right just makes me distrust him AND his message. So much for any hope of his being a moderate in days gone byHe is sounding more and more like a man out of place and certainly its not going to be his time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 July 22, 2008 Quote Amen to that.. I would have voted for him in 2000This year.. the more he talks the more I dont like him..the pandering to the far right just makes me distrust him AND his message. So much for any hope of his being a moderate in days gone byHe is sounding more and more like a man out of place and certainly its not going to be his time Besides all of the above, THIS GUY has been McCain's foreign policy adviser. Maybe not for much longer but that's a different story. However both stories make you question McCain's judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 July 22, 2008 This election could play out the same was as the 1996 one did. Bob Dole trailed greatly going in, and it never changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #5 July 22, 2008 QuoteMaybe not for much longer but that's a different story. However both stories make you question McCain's judgment. Most things coming from the McCain campaign make me question if they are trying to lose. McCain continue to say the wrong thing, has to be in front of preprogrammed town halls, flip flops on everything.....and then makes claims that Iraq and Pakistan share a border!! On top of that you have the Bush admin taking away two of his biggest talking points: appeasement ang troop withdrawal._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #6 July 23, 2008 Quote McCain continue to say the wrong thing, has to be in front of preprogrammed town halls, flip flops on everything.....and then makes claims that Iraq and Pakistan share a border!! Ouch! I missed that one. Was the distinguished Senator from Israel there to bail him out of that one too? Quote On top of that you have the Bush admin taking away two of his biggest talking points: appeasement ang troop withdrawal. Didn't you get the memo? It's "an aggressive diplomatic infiltration offensive" and "victory horizon facilitation related activities". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #7 July 23, 2008 QuoteWas the distinguished Senator from Israel there to bail him out of that one too? That's a great line, but I gotta ask, who would that be?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #8 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteWas the distinguished Senator from Israel there to bail him out of that one too? That's a great line, but I gotta ask, who would that be? I was thinking most specifically about Lieberman. He helped McCain out of one of his tang toungled moments, but has been out of the news recently while he's on the Hagee House of Hate tour, aka. Christians United For Israel conference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 July 23, 2008 QuoteOuch! I missed that one. Was the distinguished Senator from Israel there to bail him out of that one too? I know that CBS News has started to edit his flubs, it could explain why you are missing out on them. It's really sickening to see what the media is doing with this election. They don't care about it, they just want their ratings_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #10 July 23, 2008 QuoteMcCain continue to say the wrong thing .....and then makes claims that Iraq and Pakistan share a border!! Iraq & Pakistan? Did Sen McCain misspeak when he meant Iran or was the context such that he was specifically intending to mean Iraq? Do you have a citation or video on that? Thanks. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #11 July 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteOuch! I missed that one. Was the distinguished Senator from Israel there to bail him out of that one too? I know that CBS News has started to edit his flubs, it could explain why you are missing out on them. It's really sickening to see what the media is doing with this election. They don't care about it, they just want their ratings Hmmm....maybe it wasn't a "flub". Iran is the "situation" on the Iraq/Pakistan border. Maybe he's secretly planning on partitioning the country! Poor guy, I'm seriously beginning to worry about the man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #12 July 23, 2008 Quote Iraq & Pakistan? Did Sen McCain misspeak when he meant Iran or was the context such that he was specifically intending to mean Iraq? Do you have a citation or video on that? Thanks. VR/Marg http://youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4 Edited to add: I'm really not sure what he was trying to say. It sounded like political speak where he wants to sound like he's saying something without saying anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #13 July 23, 2008 >Did Sen McCain misspeak when he meant Iran or was the context >such that he was specifically intending to mean Iraq? On Good Morning America, he was asked if the situation in Afghanistan is precarious. He replied: "Well I think it's very serious...I don't know the exact vocabulary, but it's a serious situation, but there's a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq - Pakistan border." Looks like he meant to say Afghanistan instead of Iraq. (At least I hope so.) Recently in an email to a journalist, a republican campaign strategist was discussing McCain's misstatements as well as his latest photo-op. He was specifically comparing the publicity surrounding Obama's trip to Iraq to McCain's latest photo-op, where George Bush (I) drove him in a golf cart to a Kennebunkport country club where he spoke for a while. The strategist's analysis - "we're fucked." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #14 July 23, 2008 My impression was that McCain just made a slip of the tongue. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #15 July 23, 2008 QuoteMy impression was that McCain just made a slip of the tongue. He's establishing quite the pattern for those sorts of slips. I believe this is what Chasingbluesky was referring to earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDIAsS9VXiM&eurl=http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/46628-cbs-edits-mccain-s-whopper-out-of-broadcast-w-original-video Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 July 23, 2008 QuoteMy impression was that McCain just made a slip of the tongue. Can easily happen - just look at Dan Q - a guy who wasn't remotely as stupid as he made himself out to be. But McCain has many more years of experience in public speaking, and the specter of his age hurting his campaign, so frequent slips don't help the image. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #17 July 23, 2008 > My impression was that McCain just made a slip of the tongue. I would tend to agree. However, lately he's been making several slips of the tongue (often the _same_ slip of the tongue) in a row. They may be all coincidental, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 July 23, 2008 I can't figure-out what McCain is saying or what he 'means'. How long do folks have to wait for him to make-up his mind? I think, the guy is 'un-stable' and should just hang it up and retire from politics. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #19 July 26, 2008 McCain says he knows how to win wars. What a laugh. He spent five years in a POW camp, and they should have kept him there. How did he learn to end wars when he did nothing but get himself shot down and spent the rest of the war in the Hanoi Hilton? He is the biggest liar to come along since both BUSH 1 & 2, but of course, thats where he was " trained to start wars....not end them" McCain is the biggest loser the Americans have had running for election in the past 230 years. Time to pull the plug on that country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmadmax 8 #20 July 27, 2008 You are a troll ...no doubt! I doubt if you are Canadian. But let me ask you this question. Are you prepared to follow your Canadian's government to arms? And to make the ultimate sacrifice? I am for my country. Are you? Don't go away mad....just go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #21 July 27, 2008 In response to your claims of troll on chuteless, his name is Bill Cole and he's an (in)famous Canadian skydiver and not a troll. I'm a Canadian and not willing to follow my government to arms, but I tend to agree with Bill as much as I respect the balls he's shown in his skydiving career (which is a helluva lot). edited for grammarI got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #22 July 28, 2008 Definietly not. I would most certainly not follow my government into a war, because my government just follows the USA into their wars, which is a crime against humanity. The United States of America will soon become the UN-Tied States, and it won't come soon enough. The USA is one of the most evil nations on the face of the earth, and its people like you who blindly follow the murderous people who run your nation. McCain is just as stupid as Bush 1 and 2, and all those evil war mongers who preceeded them as President and VP. You got your ass well kicked in Vietnam, and soon to be bombed into oblivion by the murderous Al Qaeda. Your nation will soon be a nation NO MORE. Your Canadian friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #23 July 28, 2008 ...And he wonders why he doesn't get invited to more parties. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #24 July 28, 2008 Quote ...And he wonders why he doesn't get invited to more parties. He probably thinks they were destroyed in the mail during Armageddon Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #25 July 28, 2008 Check out this jem from Chuteless The man has serious psychological issues. I urge him to seek help. And no, I'm not being a smart-ass. I sincerely hopes he gets help. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
