Billvon likes to say I said Global Warming Ended, oh a couple of year ago

[rushmc 23]

Now the fact is I only posted the tittle of the article. but, maybe I was right?

Oh it is going to get dam hot now
Oh the death of consensus is a terrible thing

The American Physical Society has reversed its position on global warming and is opening the pages of its journal Physics & Society to debate on whether manmade CO2 causes global warming.




http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24036602-25717,00.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[vortexring 0]

Marc! FFS. Can you honestly, within your heart say; man doesn't have a contributing factor to play regarding global warming?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[billvon 3,120]

>The American Physical Society has reversed its position on global warming
>and is opening the pages of its journal Physics & Society to debate on
>whether manmade CO2 causes global warming.

That's your basic denier lie, and is a good example of how the deniers are losing contact with reality. Someone made a post on an APS forum, someone copied it, and voila! The latest denier claim that THERE'S NO CONSENSUS! Heck, I bet a lot of people who can't be bothered to check sources will actually believe it.

(Not saying that _you_ are lying, Marc - you just place a little too much trust in the denier movement.)

Statement from the American Physical Society today:
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APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
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Their official position in its entirety:

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.

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Now the fact is I only posted the tittle of the article. but, maybe I was right?

Oh it is going to get dam hot now
Oh the death of consensus is a terrible thing

The American Physical Society has reversed its position on global warming and is opening the pages of its journal Physics & Society to debate on whether manmade CO2 causes global warming.




http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24036602-25717,00.html

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That's why 31,000 other scientists, including world figures such as physicist Prof Freeman Dyson, atmospheric physicist Prof Richard Lindzen and climate scientist Prof Fred Singer, issued a joint letter last month warning governments not to jump on board the global warming bandwagon.

Hmmm … Lindzen and Singer. Those names have credibility written all over them.

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[kallend 2,150]

Ummm - WRONG!


Right on their front page:

www.aps.org/

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.


And wasn't it you that posted this?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Yes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

And the tittle of the aritcle was?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[vortexring 0]

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Yes

So the thousands of tonnes of pollutants we produce doesn't contribute? The deforestation of the rain forests doesn't contribute? Me, flying about, burning 300kgs of F34 an hour doesn't contribute?

Why is this? Does the planet therefore benefit from these pollutants?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[kallend 2,150]

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And the tittle of the aritcle was?

Same as the title of the thread YOU started (without quotes of course).. Gee, what a feeble attempt at weaseling that was.

Tell us some more about the APS's official position, Marc.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

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Oh the death of consensus is a terrible thing

Since you are now such a strong believer in statements by professional scientific societies, maybe you'll like this one from the American Meteorological Society:
www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html

Here's just a sample from the conclusion:
Despite the uncertainties noted above, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems, and on wildlife through the 21st century and beyond.

And here's the statement from the National Academy of Science, The US's most prestigious scientific organization: www7.nationalacademies.org/ocga/testimony/Global_Climate_Change_Policy_and_Budget_Review.asp

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

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So the thousands of tonnes of pollutants we produce doesn't contribute?

Thousands of tonnes indeed! Global output of CO2 is around 1,000tons every four SECONDS. It almost exactly matches the observed rise in CO2 in the atmosphere.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Yes

So the thousands of tonnes of pollutants we produce doesn't contribute? The deforestation of the rain forests doesn't contribute? Me, flying about, burning 300kgs of F34 an hour doesn't contribute?

Why is this? Does the planet therefore benefit from these pollutants?

When was CO2 stated to be a polutant and who stated it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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And the tittle of the aritcle was?

Same as the title of the thread YOU started (without quotes of course).. Gee, what a feeble attempt at weaseling that was.

Tell us some more about the APS's official position, Marc.

MY attempt was/is feeble???



kallend:
same shit different day!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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And the tittle of the aritcle was?

Same as the title of the thread YOU started (without quotes of course).. Gee, what a feeble attempt at weaseling that was.

Tell us some more about the APS's official position, Marc.

MY attempt was/is feeble???



kallend:
same shit different day!

Must be an interesting world you live in.

Now, what about the OFFICIAL APS, AMS and NAS statements?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

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And the tittle of the aritcle was?

Same as the title of the thread YOU started (without quotes of course).. Gee, what a feeble attempt at weaseling that was.

Tell us some more about the APS's official position, Marc.

MY attempt was/is feeble???



kallend:
same shit different day!

Must be an interesting world you live in.

Now, what about the OFFICIAL APS, AMS and NAS statements? (Or are you going to weasel some more?)

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,120]

>MY attempt was/is feeble???

I'd amend that to being merely false. If it had a crumb of truth to it, it might graduate to feeble.