As if IEDs aren't enough...

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Mike will be along shortly to blame this on CLinton...

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This has been an issue for some time. Plenty of soldiers have been killed in freaking showers from being electrocuted.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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G.I.s need GFI's .

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Mike will be along shortly to blame this on CLinton...

Sorry to bust your bubble...unlike yourself, I don't blame all the world's ills on one person or political party.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dats some funnie chit der


DUDE.. come on...you have to have blamed CLinton in at least a couple thousand of your posts....

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dats some funnie chit der


DUDE.. come on...you have to have blamed CLinton in at least a couple thousand of your posts....

Only if saying "Clinton/Dems have done the same things as you blame Bush/Reps for" equals "blaming Clinton" in your fantasy world.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Yeah right.. that only works in De-Land of DE-NILE ....

How many more years will you suffer from CDS.... and will ODS overtake it in the next 4 years...

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G.I.s need GFI's .

That's GFCI's.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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Yeah right.. that only works in De-Land of DE-NILE ....

How many more years will you suffer from CDS.... and will ODS overtake it in the next 4 years...

I don't suffer from it at all - another fact that you can't seem to grasp, there in BDS-world.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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KBR is a source of fustration here. They do shoddy electrical maintenance. We experienced an electrical fire due to their workmanship. They had too much power going through a circuit breaker that appeared to me to be common sense. They also tend to barge into your chu (containerized housing units) even though you are telling them to hold on. I seriously doubt the credentials of most of their workers who are usually from third world nations. I'm not saying they can't learn the stuff, but at least have the product up to American standards.

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KBR is a source of fustration here. They do shoddy electrical maintenance. We experienced an electrical fire due to their workmanship. They had too much power going through a circuit breaker that appeared to me to be common sense. They also tend to barge into your chu (containerized housing units) even though you are telling them to hold on. I seriously doubt the credentials of most of their workers who are usually from third world nations. I'm not saying they can't learn the stuff, but at least have the product up to American standards.

KBR, Halliburton, Bechtel. Peas in a pod. I've worked for all three. They couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Bottem line. $$$$$$ Add Perrini in the mix soon. Woking in Vegas const. right now. 20 deaths so far in 19 months.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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>>>We experienced an electrical fire due to their workmanship. They had too much power going through a circuit breaker that appeared to me to be common sense

Um...no. Doesn't work that way. If you burnt a breaker in a building it was because too much stuff was plugged into the outlet. I *will* give you a bad breaker, though - it should have tripped cleanly without arcing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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If it was a good breaker, that would be a true statement. Could have been bad. Thinking about it, it had to be. That whole box was only 4 months old. You can't fault that, but, that one breaker was overloaded due to a whole detached room being wired up through that one breaker along with the two AC's that it powered in our Conex. I would have had a complete CB panel for that one room alone coming from our generator.

On another note it could have been worse. We have steel Conex box structures that take time to catch on fire. The tents out here though catch fire too fast. We just had a mini 4th of july out here when the Motor Pool over yonder caught fire. The FOB fire dept waited till the rounds finished cooking off before they extinguished the fire.

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KBR is a source of fustration here. They do shoddy electrical maintenance. We experienced an electrical fire due to their workmanship. They had too much power going through a circuit breaker that appeared to me to be common sense. They also tend to barge into your chu (containerized housing units) even though you are telling them to hold on. I seriously doubt the credentials of most of their workers who are usually from third world nations. I'm not saying they can't learn the stuff, but at least have the product up to American standards.

KBR hires locals to do the work, but the managers don't ride them to make sure it's being done right. As a consequence, it's sloppy.

Case in point. KBR cleaning crews are supposed to report maintenance needs to the management so stuff can be fixed, right?

Seldom happens. Here at Bondsteel, a connex latrine was in bad shape last year and got worse and worse until finally the floor rotted out. Weeks went by and nothing was done, even though the KBR local hires cleaned it every day.

Finally I took a bunch of digital photos and emailed them to the DoD Facilities Maintenance office. A KBR crew was there a couple of days later and fixed everything.

KBR has been cutting corners severely for about a year now, and the birds are coming home to roost.

As for the GIs who spot this stuff, don't assume that "somebody will take care of it", because KBR's 3rd-world staff don't have a clue. Take pictures, and email them to Public Works / AST with a CC to your task force Safety Office. That will definitely put the spurs to KBR.

And in case you're wondering, I don't work for KBR, so I don't have any issues with them seeing this some day. Besides, it's the truth and if they can't handle it and can't fix the problems, well then, perhaps some other company should have their contract.

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And in case you're wondering, I don't work for KBR, so I don't have any issues with them seeing this some day. Besides, it's the truth and if they can't handle it and can't fix the problems, well then, perhaps some other company should have their contract.

Gee you mean like actually getting to BID on it.. and have some oeversite of the work being actually done???

What a novel Idea..

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And in case you're wondering, I don't work for KBR, so I don't have any issues with them seeing this some day. Besides, it's the truth and if they can't handle it and can't fix the problems, well then, perhaps some other company should have their contract.

Gee you mean like actually getting to BID on it.. and have some oeversite of the work being actually done???

What a novel Idea..

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Hits nail on head. That a 32 oz. Eastwing you're swinging?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
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'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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And in case you're wondering, I don't work for KBR, so I don't have any issues with them seeing this some day. Besides, it's the truth and if they can't handle it and can't fix the problems, well then, perhaps some other company should have their contract.

Gee you mean like actually getting to BID on it.. and have some oeversite of the work being actually done???

What a novel Idea..

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Like the 97+% of their contracts that ARE full and open bids, you mean?

Part of the problem is the drawdown of the contracts - more and more of the ex-pat managers who WOULD catch things have been moved to other projects or let go completely.

Everyone screams that 'those evil mercenary contracting companies' are overpaid (and in some instances, I'm sure they are), then they scream when work isn't performed due to lack of funding.

Catch-22.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Everyone screams that 'those evil mercenary contracting companies' are overpaid (and in some instances, I'm sure they are), then they scream when work isn't performed due to lack of funding.

Since the administration gave out the contracts.. dont you think it is their duty to keep track of the work????

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Everyone screams that 'those evil mercenary contracting companies' are overpaid (and in some instances, I'm sure they are), then they scream when work isn't performed due to lack of funding.

Since the administration gave out the contracts.. dont you think it is their duty to keep track of the work????

The "administration" doesn't give out contracts - various agencies and the services do. Each contract has "contracting officer's representatives" (CORs) that are supposed to monitor the contract on the ground and ensure that the terms of the contract are met.

The problem with extremely large contracts is twofold - it's hard to have enough CORs to effectively monitor, and (in larger contracts) you sometimes have CORs countermanding each other.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The "administration" doesn't give out contracts - various agencies and the services do. Each contract has "contracting officer's representatives" (CORs) that are supposed to monitor the contract on the ground and ensure that the terms of the contract are met.

The problem with extremely large contracts is twofold - it's hard to have enough CORs to effectively monitor, and (in larger contracts) you sometimes have CORs countermanding each other.

Uh.. Mikee dear... Defense last time I checked was under the Secretary of Defense.....are those not in the Executive Branch of Government????

Last time I checked.. that was part of the Administration... and doing a damn fine job at looting the treasury with all the cost plus shenanigans they have fostered to good Friends of the Administration.

Once upon a time that sort of thing was called War Profiteering.. and graft

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Give it a BREAK, Jeanne... quit friggin EMOTING all the time and face reality, ok? It's OLD.

Work a few ACTUAL gov't contracts and we'll talk, ok?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Give it a BREAK, Jeanne... quit friggin EMOTING all the time and face reality, ok? It's OLD.

Work a few ACTUAL gov't contracts and we'll talk, ok?

Gee Mikeee..

Reality seems to be givin you a bad case of the red ass....

This situation is REALITY.... you just cant handle that REALITY.. and you want to constantly make excuses for this REALITY

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Give it a BREAK, Jeanne... quit friggin EMOTING all the time and face reality, ok? It's OLD.

Work a few ACTUAL gov't contracts and we'll talk, ok?

Gee Mikeee..

Reality seems to be givin you a bad case of the red ass....

This situation is REALITY.... you just cant handle that REALITY.. and you want to constantly make excuses for this REALITY

No, your constant drone of "it's all HIS fault" is giving me the red-ass. Unfortunately, you seem to think that's "reality".

Your argument is like saying the CEO of Boeing (the #1 no-bid contractor, btw) should know how many packages the company mail room mishandled that week. The CEO may have a broad overwiew of what's happening in the mailroom, but it's not something that he has a personal hand in, either.

As I said - go and work an actual government contract and gain some understanding of what you're talking about, then come back and we'll discuss it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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No, your constant drone of "it's all HIS fault" is giving me the red-ass. Unfortunately, you seem to think that's "reality".

Your argument is like saying the CEO of Boeing (the #1 no-bid contractor, btw) should know how many packages the company mail room mishandled that week. The CEO may have a broad overwiew of what's happening in the mailroom, but it's not something that he has a personal hand in, either.

As I said - go and work an actual government contract and gain some understanding of what you're talking about, then come back and we'll discuss it.

You are looking to open up a bronze foundry when you get back to America arent you...

Your agument wants to claim Boeing gets non bid contracts... trouble is you continually misrepresent that on here which is exceedingly disnonest spin.

Boeing and its divisions were given a specification for a weapons system... aircraft....missle system etc. Then they built the prototypes... that met the specifications better than the competing companies for the contract. Their bid was competitive and they won the contract for the system... and the parts to keep it working for the life of the weapons system.
That is the way government bids are supposed to work.


In the case of MANY of the current no bid contracts.. there WAS no competition to be awarded the contracts.....other than contributions and donations to your buddies in the administration. This puts those companies on the short list of Friends of the Administration. Not only did they not bid... they have supplied substandard components... systems and services.... all in the name of maximum profiteering for the friends of the administration....no oversite.. cost plus accounting..cost overruns.. and sheer theivery...

Ok we get it.. you are good with this kind of graft and war profiteering at the expense of the American people.....as long as it benefits you personally.. I guess its good for America.. at least in your mind. In most of our minds we know who to blame..... others... cant bring themselves to even see the wrongdoing... and make excuses for it.... Sad Mike... really sad.