kallend 2,184 #1 July 18, 2008 www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071703161.html?hpid=moreheadlines I hope all those who objected to Hillary's and Pelosi's travel accommodations are appropriately outraged by this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #2 July 18, 2008 Being a military brat and former enlisted Marine, I'm not opposed to the comfort capsules for top brass and civilian dignitaries. After spending their entire life in service to this wonderfull country as well as performing well enough to achieve a near impossible rank, they deserve a little bit of confort when flying towards a combat zone. Macmahon making changes during the manufacturing phase to what McNabb already ok'd is pure bullshit however.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 July 18, 2008 Quote I hope all those who objected to Hillary's and Pelosi's travel accommodations are appropriately outraged by this. Yeah..... not a chance. This is probably far more important.. than getting stuff like up uparmor for the troops who actually have to go into harms way... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 July 18, 2008 Oh, absolutely. Save Air Burkle for Ron Burkle. I can see why generals would like to have more comfort and less distractions. I can also definitely say that it ain't necessary. It's wasteful. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #5 July 18, 2008 >I hope all those who objected to Hillary's and Pelosi's travel >accommodations are appropriately outraged by this. Now, to be fair, some of those generals might be republicans, and therefore immune to criticism over such things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #6 July 18, 2008 Nowhere in the article does it say anything about "Chiefs" (meaning Chief Master Seargent) using this luxury.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #7 July 18, 2008 Quote Quote I hope all those who objected to Hillary's and Pelosi's travel accommodations are appropriately outraged by this. Yeah..... not a chance. This is probably far more important.. than getting stuff like up uparmor for the troops who actually have to go into harms way... That is a problem dating back to 2004. Haven't been able to find any complaints since the pentagon resolved the issues on 2006.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 July 18, 2008 Ding ding! Another winner. We don't have money for hardening vehicles or other such matters. But we'll drop come scratch on this.I always loved having to stay at Air Force facilities, though. While it seems that the Army regs commanded that every building have at least one malfunctioning door, Air Force stuff was always good. Edited to add: p.s. - I objected to Pelosi and I object to this, as well. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 July 18, 2008 Hey the only ones left.. got really good at saying yes.. you are right.. If they objected to anything.. they were retired LONG ago.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 July 18, 2008 Tropps are still dying in IED attacks.. obviously the vehicles they are using need to be improved....period I thinklthere are some new vehicles out there that are less prone tp the explosions than what they are being forced to use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 July 18, 2008 Quote obviously the vehicles they are using need to be improved....period Yeah. No kidding. I recall my first look the the new FMTV's. My impressions were, "Gee. There sure is a lot of glass on the cab. And neat-o. The cab is mounted right above the front wheels. Land-mines are gonna love these things. But I was a mere 2LT in the Transportation Corps. What did I know? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #12 July 18, 2008 No amount of armor short of an M1 Abrams is going to prevent that. Even then the insurgents will adapt and escalate the power of their IEDS or just look to attack softer targets. Most likely both.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 July 18, 2008 All too true...but they cant make EVERY bomb... bigger. BUT.. would you rather be riding in an MRAP or an upgraded HummVee in the Sunni Triangle or Bahgdad??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #14 July 18, 2008 I think the majority of Americans are outraged by this - the vast majority. AF has had several bad screw ups in the last few years acquisition wise. This one in particular is pretty amazing. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 July 18, 2008 Obviously the MRAP but it looks like things are in motion and the pentagon's order will be completed and in Iraq/Afghanistan by April '09. However I did find this.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-02-26-marines_N.htm Which is fucked up but this conversation really has nothing to do with the comfort capsules since the problem with MRAPs getting to the AO really isn't monetary.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 July 18, 2008 My point is this...screw luxuries.. give the people who are at risk what they need to do their jobs....period. To freakin bad if a command officer gets a butt cramp while flying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 July 18, 2008 And they are doing that but it takes time. Now if the top logistics brass decided to put a comfort capsule on a c-17 slated for Baghdad instead of a MRAP simply because a couple generals were on board then we'd have a something to complain about. But as it stands one has nothing to do with the other.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #18 July 18, 2008 QuoteAnd they are doing that but it takes time. Now if the top logistics brass decided to put a comfort capsule on a c-17 slated for Baghdad instead of a MRAP simply because a couple generals were on board then we'd have a something to complain about. But as it stands one has nothing to do with the other. Tell us about the federal deficit and the DoD "war on terror" budget, then tell us again how federal expenditures are unconnected.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 July 18, 2008 Quote www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071703161.html?hpid=moreheadlines I hope all those who objected to Hillary's and Pelosi's travel accommodations are appropriately outraged by this. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 July 18, 2008 Quote Tropps are still dying in IED attacks.. obviously the vehicles they are using need to be improved....period I thinklthere are some new vehicles out there that are less prone tp the explosions than what they are being forced to use. Not even the up-armor hummers are proof against 6" forged projectiles - you're getting fairly close to tank armor levels, there.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #21 July 18, 2008 It's all because *I* left my acquisition post! The place just can't survive without me! oh wait...let me amend that sentence. This is WHY i left my acquisition post. And trust me when i say it ain't just the Air Force. The defense department needs to burn the FAR and start over from scratch....and the defense CONTRACTORS need to stop being greedy fucking assholes. The FAR is the way it is not ONLY because of the government, it's the way it is because of the contractors all wanting the government to cover them on everything, whining like children about "fairness" and basically blackmailing the government into doing what they want it to. It's completely ridiculous. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #22 July 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteAnd they are doing that but it takes time. Now if the top logistics brass decided to put a comfort capsule on a c-17 slated for Baghdad instead of a MRAP simply because a couple generals were on board then we'd have a something to complain about. But as it stands one has nothing to do with the other. Tell us about the federal deficit and the DoD "war on terror" budget, then tell us again how federal expenditures are unconnected. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation between Amazon and I so nice try. Perhaps you'll have better luck in one of those anti-gun threads you love so much.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #23 July 19, 2008 Bullshit like this is why high ranking officers are so far removed from the soldiers that they make stupid decisions, they forget what its like to be a soldier and assume every little brilliant idea that pops into their retarded little heads is perfect, despite how horribly it screws over the ground pounders. Militaries are supposed to be built around the soldiers at the lowest levels, they're the ones that make things happen, not the officers.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misaltas 0 #24 July 19, 2008 Oh, when I become this great nation's benevolent dictator after a bloodless coup (*all smothering), I shall decree: Strip the stars from any general who would think to make themselves "comfortable" before ensuring first that everyone in their command had everything they needed to do their job properly. (*simpsons)Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #25 July 19, 2008 Oh that's so true - it's only the AF's turn in the limelight now. Creative interpretation of certain parts of the FAR have really led to some screwed up decisions - like cost contracting for work that CAN be accurately estimated. WTF? I think a lot of good does remain - and definitely some sharp people/managers, but dear God there is such a massive amount of crap. There are so many cases when I think - who the FUCK was on that BVAC or TEB? Or what in God's name was the SSA thinking? Disgustingly bad examples get far more press than the good. The Navy just delivered the latest submarine addition to the fleet under budget by over US$50 million and over six months ahead of sked. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
