Boy those guns sure make you safer!

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Aren't guns a bit harder to make than drugs? Like, hypothetically, if you prohibited guns and thereby the manufacture of guns and ammunition (except for the military), wouldn't supply dry up?

I can make a gun out of two sections of schedule 40 and a nail. Fires a 12ga round.

So nope, its not harder really.

Think about the volume of narcotics being shipped across many boarders each and every day. That's just the narcotics we know about. That includes "produce" drugs like marijuana and manufactured drugs like meth, crack, X, PCP and LSD.

Now, those full auto AKs and Mini-14s and such that have turned up in drug raids time and time again? You know that a large majority of them weren't stolen by a Class III FFL. They were shipped across borders just like the drugs.

In a perfect world you could take the supply away and the threat would go away, but history has shown that the threat of a single type of weapon only diminishes as something more powerful is developed.

Look at the crossbow. That was the WMD a number of centuries ago. There were laws about them, treaties banning their use on the battlefield and/or against knights. Now no one cares. You can still buy them, make them, own them, but no one cares.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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If all guns were illegal, then they would be just as difficult to get as say... drugs. Yep, that's working.

Aren't guns a bit harder to make than drugs? Like, hypothetically, if you prohibited guns and thereby the manufacture of guns and ammunition (except for the military), wouldn't supply dry up?

Guns are not that difficult to make. And there's no law requiring all the parts be behind the counter like with pseudafed.

These guns may not be the manufacturing marvel that is a Sig or an HK, but they will serve the purpose quite well.

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Funny thing is, you have an all-powerful government that runs your lives.....I envision many americans rocking back and forth with a gun in their arms chanting: I'll be okay, I have a gun; I'll be okay, I have a gun....

The cops are a bit less abusive of civilian rights when those people are armed. I don't want to think how they'll act when the people aren't...oh right, we have the examples in NYC and Chicago to look to. People get shot 43 times and sodomized with broomsticks.

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Do YOU approve of felons and nutcases having easy access to guns?

Felons? No. They should be ordered to surrender all weapons.

Nutcases? How would you define that? I'm not necessarily against it. For example, keeping guns from a person who has no demonstrated history but may one day snap? I would be against that, because that would depirve everyone arbitrarily.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Now, those full auto AKs and Mini-14s and such that have turned up in drug raids time and time again? You know that a large majority of them weren't stolen by a Class III FFL. They were shipped across borders just like the drugs.

Now if only there were people intellectually honest enough to DO something about the world's most prolific small arms distributors.... RUSSIA and CHINA. Nah, screw it... easier and more popular to just blame the law-abiding, second amendment exercising Americans.

We should stop the illegal importation of illegal firearms. Definitely. They should make another law to show just how "serial" we really are about it!

Oh, hello again!

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We should stop the illegal importation of illegal firearms.

You have been reported to the Department of Redundancy Department.

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You have been reported to the Department of Redundancy Department.

Obviously obvious sarcasm is obvious! I also am agains the illegal importation of illegal firearms by illegal immigrants who plan on doing something illegal. Someone should make a law! That'd fix it!

Oh, hello again!

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A felon, to me, is a fingertip infection. I think I should step away from work....run fast and far.

That's all~
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Do YOU approve of felons and nutcases having easy access to guns?

Felons? No. They should be ordered to surrender all weapons.

Nutcases? How would you define that? I'm not necessarily against it. For example, keeping guns from a person who has no demonstrated history but may one day snap? I would be against that, because that would depirve everyone arbitrarily.

Anybody that kallend thinks should not own a gun is a nut case.

There, that should settle it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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By some people's definition, anyone who is paranoid enough to think he needs a gun for protection is a nutcase. Therefore anyone who wants to own a gun is automatically excluded. How's that? Paranoia, after all, is a sign of mental illness.

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By some people's definition, anyone who is paranoid enough to think he needs a gun for protection is a nutcase. Therefore anyone who wants to own a gun is automatically excluded. How's that? Paranoia, after all, is a sign of mental illness.

linz

Is it paranoid to have airbags and seatbelts in your car, a fire extinguisher in your kitchen, or a reserve parachute in your rig?

Preparation, not paranoia. Of course, the distinction is lost on the anti-gunners due to that whole projection issue. They can't imagine a situation where anyone would NEED a gun, so it MUST be paranoia.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kelpdiver 2]

please read Catch-22 at your earliest convenience.

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please re-read Catch-22 at your earliest convenience.

Fixed that for ya .... .... but I get the point.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Let's ban pointy sticks.

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Let's ban pointy sticks.

From the Simpsons:

"Let them be...soon they'll have bigger boards with bigger nails stuck to them, and it will destroy them all!"

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You don't need ammo in the room at all to clean a firearm.

No, but you do have to unload it to clean it, and that is where people get into trouble.

You have to be very careful with some gun designs. For a 1911-model .45 pistol, for example, you have to take the safety off in order to pull the slide back to empty the live round from the chamber. At that point, you are just a trigger pull away from an accidental discharge. It would be nice if the chamber could be emptied while the safety was still "on".

My usual carry piece is a SIG 229. DA/SA, hammer down, one in the chamber, no safety, naturally. I like the 1911's, but don't own one yet.

Any firearm is loaded in our house, even if there is no ammo in it. No excuses for poor muzzle control. Always clear your firearms in a safe fashion, pointing in a safe direction, with your finger off the trigger. Any time you pick any firearm back up, repeat the process before doing anything else, no exceptions. I know you know this, John. Just stating how we do it in our house.
Gun safety is no accident.

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Let's ban pointy sticks.

England already beat us to it, I believe....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Why are you replying to your own posts?
Do you often talk to yourself?

BOO-YAH ! kallend ! [; )] My question to BClear is what was your user name before you got banned pre 06/09/08? you have an awful lot of bitter hostility toward 'moderators' for someone who's only been in these forums for a month, & 1 &1/2 weeks! I've only been here just as long & I have NOT found reason to host a fraction of that bitter hostility toward ANYONE, I've come across in here? Very interesting! hm?

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Paranoia, after all, is a sign of mental illness. linz

like being paranoid about others rights to protect themselves & bears arms. Ya know they make a pill you can take for that now!

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Is it paranoid to have airbags and seatbelts in your car, a fire extinguisher in your kitchen, or a reserve parachute in your rig?
Preparation, not paranoia. Of course, the distinction is lost on the anti-gunners due to that whole projection issue. They can't imagine a situation where anyone would NEED a gun, so it MUST be paranoia.

OUTSTANDING REPLY !

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WTF One question on the topic: Who the hell, what kind of moron do you have to be to attempt 'cleaning' a loaded weapon? I have done some stupid sh*t in my youth, but never once, have I ever attempted or even considered 'cleaning a firearm', that I hadn't made certain was unloaded at least twice! (double checked it)

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or example, you have to take the safety off in order to pull the slide back to empty the live round from the chamber. At that point, you are just a trigger pull away from an accidental discharge. It would be nice if the chamber could be emptied while the safety was still "on".

Most of these incidents are listed while cleaning the gun/firearm' NOT 'While preparing to clean the gun/firearm'. Even allowing for accidental discharge, while unloading the weapon in order to clean it, who the fuck points it toward their head, chest or any vital zone? Answer 1 of 2 kinds of people: a) someone attempting suicide or b) a fucking idiot. Not only do I agree with having to pass a background check, I think they should have to pass an IQ test.

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I have actually encountered lots of gun owners who have no idea that it's a good idea to check the chamber before handing their weapon to me. Also when they are handling it the barrel's all over the place making me uncomfortable even though it's an unloaded weapon.

Gun safety should be a mandatory class in middle school or at the very least high school.

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I have actually encountered lots of gun owners who have no idea that it's a good idea to check the chamber before handing their weapon to me. Also when they are handling it the barrel's all over the place making me uncomfortable even though it's an unloaded weapon.
Gun safety should be a mandatory class in middle school or at the very least high school.

Ah, as have I downward, experienced much of the same. hard to say whether it scares me more than pisses me off or pisses me off more than scares me. excellent points I was thinking of the ridiculously high numerous # of times, I've experienced the very same scenario in the past, while reading this thread earlier. Good man, thanks for posting those points here. I'm at the dz now preparing for a jump or 2 now, I'll catchup with you later, on the topic. Blue skies, have a great day!

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WTF One question on the topic: Who the hell, what kind of moron do you have to be to attempt 'cleaning' a loaded weapon? I have done some stupid sh*t in my youth, but never once, have I ever attempted or even considered 'cleaning a firearm', that I hadn't made certain was unloaded at least twice! (double checked it)

I'm pretty sure that I never point it at myself while removing the barrel, either. So even if I was enough of a tard to fire off a round, it would only damage my ear, my pride, and my rental deposit.

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I'm pretty sure that I never point it at myself while removing the barrel, either. So even if I was enough of a tard to fire off a round, it would only damage my ear, my pride, and my rental deposit.

thank you Jason, my point exactly! Though it is possible (I've seen it happen before) to still accidentally kill one's self by sheer stroke of real bad luck (re: self-inflicted wound where bullet manages to severe main artery in a lower limb & victim rapidly bleeds to death, long before emergency medical professionals can take measures to save the victim) However most of these cases are sadly, suicide - mistakenly ruled accidental, or Just 'Old Charlie Darwin' proving himself once again.

It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak